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Nicholas cannonfodder
Paladin Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:10:07 -
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im a huge naga fan but the ship is well getting under powerd other ships can now crush it with ease i love this ship and i ask that you put in a navy version i understand thats hard with the story the ship has now as the cladari navy dont favor the type of ship it is i dont want to have to swap ships i just got my first naga and all i hear is bad things about it iv loved this ship and the way it looks from my first day as a fan of eve till now that the game is free to play i got omega just for the naga and id hate to see it outclassed by any other battlecruiser out there just give it a fighting chance thank you and im sorry about the grammer im not use to it and i alread wrote the whole thing
bye the way thanks for making the game somewhat free to play iv been waiting a long time to try this one -Nicholas cannonfodder ps i am a noob i just love the ship enough to beg for navy version or buff |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:45:42 -
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...Underpowered in what way? It's a kitey rail sniper, isn't it? Is it any worse than the other ABCs or whatever we're calling them nowadays? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:47:36 -
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Okay...
1. I know you apologized beforehand... but next time please take a moment to use proper sentence structure, spelling and format. It is hard to read an idea in a run-on sentence.
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Nicholas cannonfodder wrote:im a huge naga fan but the ship is well getting under powerd other ships can now crush it with ease i love this ship and i ask that you put in a navy version What about the Naga is underpowered?
Why does a "Navy Version" need to be created? Why not adjust the Naga itself?
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Nicholas cannonfodder wrote:i dont want to have to swap ships i just got my first naga and all i hear is bad things about it iv loved this ship and the way it looks...
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id hate to see it outclassed by any other battlecruiser out there Who said the Naga is "underpowered?"
Here is the problem; not all ships are good for all situations.
If you go out and get a different ship... you will have the same issue. It will be good at some things, bad at others.
In the case of the Naga; it is used best as "sniper platform." It has low tank (like all Attack Battlecruisers), high-gank, and limited point defense abilities (see: it has trouble coping with smaller ships).
To be frank... you should probably make a thread in Ships and Modules before making a thread in Feature and Ideas. Ask about fits and tactics that a Naga can best use.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.12.17 18:05:34 -
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to be honest i would love to turn it into a RHML it wouldn't be unbalanced and it would fell unique rather than a slightly different Talos
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.12.17 18:11:28 -
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If you're playing with an Alpha clone, you can't fly the Naga.
Other than that, if you like the Naga, fly it. Find a fit that works for you, and have fun with it. Fly it in fleets, though, as it's meant to have support.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.12.17 18:16:04 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:to be honest i would love to turn it into a RHML it wouldn't be unbalanced and it would fell unique rather than a slightly different Talos This.
I've always disliked the fact that the Caldari Attack BC was a hybrid ship. On the other hand, can you imagine the broken of a torpedo Naga fleet with good webs and painter support?
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EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.12.17 21:39:55 -
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Bright Side of Death in Curse use Naga fleets to great effect. They kite you at 70 and dunk you with Antimatter 425mm Rails and you can't do anything about it.
From what I remember, the Naga originally was supposed to be a Torpedo boat. But then someone realized that you could do very funny and very broken things with 8 Torpedo launchers.
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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.17 22:19:41 -
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If simply not giving the Naga bonus to fit torpedo launchers (only rapid heavy and cruise missiles) isn't enough, then why not make it impossible to fit torpedoes? If you can allow specific modules to fit specific ships, like the bomb launcher for example, then you should be able to do the opposite too.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.12.17 23:19:19 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:From what I remember, the Naga originally was supposed to be a Torpedo boat. But then someone realized that you could do very funny and very broken things with 8 Torpedo launchers. Which was about the only thing it was good at.
It turns that that long-range sniping with missiles was quite terrible because missiles take time to reach a target.
Go figure.
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Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.18 17:32:16 -
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The Naga is actually one of the better ABCs, it's kinda overshadowed by the Talos because of the post 2012 Gallente master race balancing method, but the shield fit is faster than the Oracle armor fit and it projects way further than any of the ABCs.
Honestly the issue lies with its guns, guns simply suck in the current meta, that have more drawbacks than all the weapon systems in this game combined and very little in the way of benefits.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:06:20 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:Honestly the issue lies with its guns, guns simply suck in the current meta, that have more drawbacks than all the weapon systems in this game combined and very little in the way of benefits. There are fans of missiles who would say the opposite.
While missiles always hit targets in range, they almost never apply full damage unless extra measures are taken (see: target painters, webs, etc).
At least with turrets you can potentially apply full damage with a quick change in trajectory relative to your target.
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2016.12.18 19:42:01 -
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This sounds a lot like "I really like the look of this hull and I want to use it for things it really doesn't work for".
While I get the impulse that's really not how Eve works... |
Nicholas cannonfodder
Paladin Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2016.12.19 05:00:31 -
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well im glad i got that much insight ill try and fit it right and see how it works out thanks and sorry again and the gms told me to use this with a link <.< |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.19 05:58:23 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:This sounds a lot like "I really like the look of this hull and I want to use it for things it really doesn't work for".
While I get the impulse that's really not how Eve works... shhhhhhh, ill get my damn brawling orthrus to work and you cant stop me !
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:10:51 -
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Nicholas cannonfodder wrote:well im glad i got that much insight ill try and fit it right and see how it works out thanks and sorry again and the gms told me to use this with a link <.<
The GMs were entirely correct in their response. If you have a suggestion for the game this is the place to post it, but just because you have a suggestion doesn't mean that it's going to become a reality or that it will be well received by other players.
Each ship in the game has its own roles, strengths, and weaknesses and you have to make a decision about what's more valuable to you, the performance of a hull or how it looks. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:23:55 -
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I just wish the new battlecruisers had options for regular med turrets and med turret bonuses. Like a conventional model, get the primary for big turrets or an altered model that the different bonuses so you can use the Oracle hull but not be stuck with large turrets I love the Oracle but it's only good for large energy turrets.
The harbinger and prophecy are both super ugly and need to be redesigned/reskinned asap along with the omen, arbitrator and augorur and all the smart frigates so they look cool like the new maller and oracle The old maller was ugly and then they fixed it. Time to fix the others. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:28:26 -
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Nicholas cannonfodder wrote: i dont want to have to swap ships
Since everyone else addressed the Naga pretty well, I wanted to mention that this isn't really how Eve "works".
With rare exception, you don't really go, "Oh, well, I'm a naga pilot. I fly a naga. That's my ship."
Ships are just tools, and their uses are situational. It's like saying, "I just got a screwdriver and people keep telling me screwdrivers are no good for hammering things, but I don't have to have to swap tools."
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop Eve Radio Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:29:17 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:I just wish the new battlecruisers had options for regular med turrets and med turret bonuses. Like a conventional model, get the primary for big turrets or an altered model that the different bonuses so you can use the Oracle hull but not be stuck with large turrets I love the Oracle but it's only good for large energy turrets.
The harbinger and prophecy are both super ugly and need to be redesigned/reskinned asap along with the omen, arbitrator and augorur and all the amarr frigates so they look cool like the new maller and oracle
The old maller was an ugly upside down boot and then they fixed it. Time to fix/update the others. Armageddon could get a reskin too. Apocalypse and abaddon are both great. Haven't heard any news in a long time lot about ship reskin. Chimera concept art and Dominix are all I can think of.
No dissing the Space Turkey, yo!
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:35:28 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:I just wish the new battlecruisers had options for regular med turrets and med turret bonuses. Like a conventional model, get the primary for big turrets or an altered model that the different bonuses so you can use the Oracle hull but not be stuck with large turrets I love the Oracle but it's only good for large energy turrets.
The harbinger and prophecy are both super ugly and need to be redesigned/reskinned asap along with the omen, arbitrator and augorur and all the amarr frigates so they look cool like the new maller and oracle
The old maller was an ugly upside down boot and then they fixed it. Time to fix/update the others. Armageddon could get a reskin too. Apocalypse and abaddon are both great. Haven't heard any news in a long time lot about ship reskin. Chimera concept art and Dominix are all I can think of. No dissing the Space Turkey, yo! --Gadget Its the worst offender. The harbinger less so but it still looks like an apache helicopter more than a spaceship. Do you remember the ship design contest along time ago when they got the players to design the new battlecruisers. This was my favorite one and what i believe should be used for a new prophecy hull.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/misc/createastarship/Oblivion_Battleship.jpg I love the Oracle but I was rooting for this one. If if they remade the prophecy into this it would be great. (Maybe get rid of drone bonuses but that's another discussion) |
Nicholas cannonfodder
Paladin Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2016.12.19 23:38:03 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Nicholas cannonfodder wrote:well im glad i got that much insight ill try and fit it right and see how it works out thanks and sorry again and the gms told me to use this with a link <.< The GMs were entirely correct in their response. If you have a suggestion for the game this is the place to post it, but just because you have a suggestion doesn't mean that it's going to become a reality or that it will be well received by other players. Each ship in the game has its own roles, strengths, and weaknesses and you have to make a decision about what's more valuable to you, the performance of a hull or how it looks.
i see i was not entierly sure how this ship worked i assumed with hybrid turrets it would be usefull for close range combat now im seeing how to use it and better understand why it has low hp i need railguns to fit this ship properly i really like the ship knowing that (im a noob guys so im going constructive with this ) also what rail guns should i mount ill keep cheaking this if you keep giveing me advice on the ship i need all i can but theres probly a better place for that so maby ill go there |
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James Zimmer
D3RP Clan Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2016.12.20 00:23:41 -
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I get what the OP is saying. After the combat battlecruiser rebalance, attack battlecruisers, other than the Tornado (which really fills a different role entirely than a Hurricane), feel a little lackluster in comparison. Nagas suffer the most because Feroxs are excellent right now, and are just flat out better in most situations.
That being said, I think Nagas could find their place with just a little bit of help, like a bit better lock range, to push them into the role of a truely extreme range sniper.
And before someone says that will make it unbalanced vs the Rokh, I think the Rokh could use the same help. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.12.20 01:43:31 -
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James Zimmer wrote:I get what the OP is saying. After the combat battlecruiser rebalance, attack battlecruisers, other than the Tornado (which really fills a different role entirely than a Hurricane), feel a little lackluster in comparison. Nagas suffer the most because Feroxs are excellent right now, and are just flat out better in most situations.
That being said, I think Nagas could find their place with just a little bit of help, like a bit better lock range, to push them into the role of a truely extreme range sniper.
And before someone says that will make it unbalanced vs the Rokh, I think the Rokh could use the same help. A pair of range scripted sebos boosts my lock range out to 228km, or just outside max effective range of Spiked 425s.
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