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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
591
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Posted - 2016.12.18 12:48:43 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!
Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.
Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
No.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
526
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Posted - 2016.12.18 13:08:02 -
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It's really simple.
You are able to get shot anywhere in space in EvE.
Jita is no exception. End of discussion.
There is no gain by getting Jita to be a no fire zone, except cuddling players who cannot handle losses or flies around with too much stuff in their ships. Look, the new tutorial forces you to lose a ship, cause CCP is trying to tell you that lossing ships is part of the game.
In terms of your PC performance, then I have to ask if you are gaming on a potato? I have a fairly mediocre system and I often go to Jita. Sure, it takes a bit longer for the system to load when I undock from Jita 4-4, but besides that I don't see any noteworthy lag.
But as people have said, upgrade your system or just avoid Jita if you are gaming on a potato. Besides that, I'd maybe check if the lag comes from your end. Maybe you have some background applications that takes too much resources or maybe your net is unstable. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1290
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Posted - 2016.12.18 13:16:05 -
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Ravas Geloris wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Ravas Geloris wrote:how a normal person thinks : We have to adjust certain things here to make it better
How the veteran eve player thinks : CHANGE IS EVIL!!! EVERY CHANGE HAS TO BE STOPPED EVE HAS NOT TO CHANGE A SLIGHT BIT THIS IS MY GAME........
Get adult people.....change is not evil and a change to the more casual sight is necessary.....
All games around are used to be this way.....eve has to adapt to this....
And yes that means non pvp flagging.....this won't hurt nobody...just these idiots that think firing on an unarmed ship is THE definition of "fun".....and its not a pity if those people leave the game......
not at all..... Casual gameplay has got nothing to do with Jita. And you don't even have to be IN Jita to do stuff in Jita. Not unless you feel the need to spam local. It's part of the whole problem if even a non fire zone post like this causes some people to jump you in the face bareassed..... Some people think they own the game and every change has to argued over and that ccp has to ask THEM if it is allowed to change their property..... THIS is the real problem.....a problem of self-awareness for some people..... They really think they can FORCE ccp not to do things they want to...... Maybe this WAS so in the past....but NOT 2016.....no burning Jita 2 in these times...these times are over and this is good and right so I could write a novel here but I'm not James 315.
OP could have asked CCP any sensible thing to get the load off Jita and the same people would have rallied behind him. Instead he chose to ask for a non PvP zone in EVE.
One just doesn't ask for that in EVE. Period.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10403
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Posted - 2016.12.18 13:29:29 -
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Johan Civire wrote: - stop going jita
The thread could have been closed right here at the first response, since it's the only legit answer.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
757
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Posted - 2016.12.18 13:59:47 -
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(Sung to the tune of the mickey mouse song)
Where's the lag, the OP claims, that none of us can see? J-i-t-a-I-V-4. Just another day in EvE. My ship got roasted on undock. A bounty claim indeed. J-i-t-a-I-V-4. Just another day in EvE.
C'mon, everyone add a verse.
They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
**This IS my main so STFU.
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Marcus Blackthorn
Royal Assassins Guild Imperial Crimson Legion
32
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Posted - 2016.12.18 15:04:59 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!
Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.
Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
Posts like this make me wish there was a "dislike" button. |
Demonspawn 666
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2016.12.18 15:07:46 -
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I wanna blow up the OP in Jita now
Corp invites welcome!
I like blowing stuff up and talking cr@p.
Sense of humour and high tolerance to stupidity essential!
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Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
87
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Posted - 2016.12.18 15:35:56 -
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Ha Ha hahahahahaha
......
no |
Salvos Rhoska
1699
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Posted - 2016.12.18 15:45:51 -
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To rephrase OP, how about this:
-"CCP please: No Jita."
Predictions by fringe scientists originally thought to be impossible, have proven to be true.
The unprecedented volume and frequency of warp drive use in the Jita system has destabilized the fabric of local space/time with catastrophic, irreversible and unexpected secondary affect on the Jita solar system's star.
It is now confirmed that the Jita system star will experience a cataclysmic supernova event of unprecedented destructive power, resulting in the obliteration of all installations in the solar system, in exactly 365 days from this date.
Scientists have theorised that due to to not entirely understood peculiarities of this event, the closer to the date of supernova we are, the more system wide effects may occur which are debilitating to space travel and module operation in the Jita system (not unlike those experienced in some j-space systems).
The occurrence and type of these system wide anomalies will be increasingly unpredictable and forceful, the closer to the date of the final event.
All locals are strongly advised to immediately begin evacuating assets out of the system, or risk greater difficulty in doing so later.
It is unclear what will be the state of the local space/time fabric in the Jita system following this event.
Hows that? BURN JITA. Its a monolithic malignant tumor on the face of EVE that centralizes conflict/competition/interaction in a simple dynamic, rather than widespread exponentially more numerous cases of conflict/competi4ion/interaction elsewhere.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2582
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Posted - 2016.12.18 17:19:38 -
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Ravas Geloris wrote: I am not aware enough of the long history of failed changes, "fixing" things that were not broken rather than the things that actually were, incomplete and/or terribly mutated changes, etc to EvE to understand why players might be very wary of changes to the game that has survived so long because it is so far unique and awesome
So I will - somewhat ironically - throw a tantrum telling others to get adult and assume they simply fear all change.
As a child to an adult, I say: No thank you, sir.
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Eggs Ackley
104
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:30:04 -
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No one is forcing you to go to Jita, so no. |
Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:33:46 -
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Eggs Ackley wrote:No one is forcing you to go to Jita, so no.
Speak for yourself. I so often have this monstrosity of a creature sneak into my room, wake me up in the middle of the night, forcing me to go to jita or else it uses its many tentacles and does hurtful things towards me. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
377
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:40:10 -
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oh you must be new here!
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Rin Vocaloid2
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2016.12.18 19:09:45 -
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Quote:Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
Not gonna happen. Even the new-player starter systems have weapons fire all the time. |
Maria Senseye
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.18 21:08:31 -
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There are +8k of solar systems in new eden, making one or two as "no fire zones" I'm sure it won't hurt at all - do you wanna gank (correction: elite pvp) ? Then go outside Jita ... it's simple! How this change will hurt so much the game ?
I've never found a single cosmic anomaly in Jita - so we won't ever have wormholes in there! We don't have citadels or pos'es, just a bunch of stations and one (4-4) as a market hub. There are plenty of MMO's out there, including space-sims - all of them have some "no fire zones" carefully defined and enforced ... how would this change harm the game ?
New Eden != Jita, if you're are unable to F1 in ONE out of +8000 solar systems it won't be the end of the world!
Why this change is needed ? Jita is the ONLY market hub properly stocked and constantly used by everyone (correction: most of us), you first need to get in there using gates for taking anything in / out, again ... how this change WILL hurt the hunting/ganking procedures ? It's absurd!
Veterans hate any kind of change, I got it! EVE changed and it's still evolving.
o7 |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
95
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Posted - 2016.12.18 21:22:04 -
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Pix Severus wrote: Amarr Dodixie
Rens Hek
Choose one.
Yes, come to Dod, buy my stuffz!!! |
Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2016.12.19 03:58:01 -
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Expendable Unit wrote:Eggs Ackley wrote:No one is forcing you to go to Jita, so no. Speak for yourself. I so often have this monstrosity of a creature sneak into my room, wake me up in the middle of the night, forcing me to go to jita or else it uses its many tentacles and does hurtful things towards me.
Like this?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5605
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Posted - 2016.12.19 07:51:21 -
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Johan Civire wrote:- buy new pc - stop going jita - Use your brain instead! - Stop posting nonsense
- win?
Holy ****...and you got to post first in this thread...dude you are my hero.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5605
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Posted - 2016.12.19 07:52:44 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Maria Senseye wrote:Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market. Quote:Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time Quote:we didn't had +1500 in system Oh... you're serious? In all seriousness... do the smart thing and turn off all graphics before going to that godforsaken system. Or go to a different trade hub.
You know, as a NS player I routinely optimize my settings for performance...downside is I get ****** graphics. Upside, I never noticed this problem with Jita.
L2P OP.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
19
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Posted - 2016.12.19 08:10:13 -
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I only trade in Amarr, but I had to be in Jita many times this and last week. I have absolutely zero lag despite the many players in system.
Seems like your pc or Internet doesn't allow heavy stuff like this. If it's a problem of your hardware you'd do better to go to another trade hub. Jita is not the only place with good stocks.
I don't think ccp will change the gameplay of eve to solve your technical problem though. |
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Astrador
Falcon Agency
10
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Posted - 2016.12.19 09:52:18 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!
Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.
Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
Absolutely No.
Whats next on the wish-list? PVE-Server? Panda-Bears?
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1351
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Posted - 2016.12.19 10:31:33 -
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http://i.imgur.com/ffYdWCE.png
Concord Approved Trader
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
591
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Posted - 2016.12.19 14:17:00 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:There are +8k of solar systems in new eden, making one or two as "no fire zones" I'm sure it won't hurt at all - do you wanna gank (correction: elite pvp) ? Then go outside Jita ... it's simple! How this change will hurt so much the game ?
I've never found a single cosmic anomaly in Jita - so we won't ever have wormholes in there! We don't have citadels or pos'es, just a bunch of stations and one (4-4) as a market hub. There are plenty of MMO's out there, including space-sims - all of them have some "no fire zones" carefully defined and enforced ... how would this change harm the game ?
New Eden != Jita, if you're are unable to F1 in ONE out of +8000 solar systems it won't be the end of the world!
Why this change is needed ? Jita is the ONLY market hub properly stocked and constantly used by everyone (correction: most of us), you first need to get in there using gates for taking anything in / out, again ... how this change WILL hurt the hunting/ganking procedures ? It's absurd!
Veterans hate any kind of change, I got it! EVE changed and it's still evolving.
o7
No. Learn how to play the game.
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Ravnik
The Jolly Rogerer
13354
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Posted - 2016.12.19 16:00:45 -
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Making Jita a No Fire zone would just make every war dec'd corp rush to Jita and sit there. This = MORE ppl in Jita, so more lag for you. On top of this, them nasty Merc Corps like Vendetta (Yes, you) could all camp the gates to / in Jita, which means MORE ppl around = MORE lag. Oh, and dont forget all their secret squirrel alts they all have. You may as well remove half the systems in EVE because everyone will be sitting around Jita waiting for ppl to get bored and leave system, or just perma dec them until Jita explodes with goo.....
Did any of that make sense?
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1511
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Posted - 2016.12.19 16:12:21 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:
Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
No, absolutely not. No ship, while undocked, should be 100% safe from engagement.
Maria Senseye wrote: Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do
And this is just factually inaccurate. There have been times when you couldn't get into Jita because the population cap was being hit. Last I knew that was about 2200 people.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
864
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Posted - 2016.12.19 16:15:42 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:There are +8k of solar systems in new eden, making one or two as "no fire zones" I'm sure it won't hurt at all - do you wanna gank (correction: elite pvp) ? Then go outside Jita ... it's simple! How this change will hurt so much the game ?
I've never found a single cosmic anomaly in Jita - so we won't ever have wormholes in there! We don't have citadels or pos'es, just a bunch of stations and one (4-4) as a market hub. There are plenty of MMO's out there, including space-sims - all of them have some "no fire zones" carefully defined and enforced ... how would this change harm the game ?
New Eden != Jita, if you're are unable to F1 in ONE out of +8000 solar systems it won't be the end of the world!
Why this change is needed ? Jita is the ONLY market hub properly stocked and constantly used by everyone (correction: most of us), you first need to get in there using gates for taking anything in / out, again ... how this change WILL hurt the hunting/ganking procedures ? It's absurd!
Veterans hate any kind of change, I got it! EVE changed and it's still evolving.
o7
How old is your PC? I play multiple clients on an off the shelf laptop (my dog whines if I sit in my office, so I spoil him and use a laptop on the couch so he can sit next to me, his life is rough apparently) and have never had lag issues in Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
1710
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Posted - 2016.12.19 16:30:57 -
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If anything, I recommend Jita becomes a non-concord free for all.
If you want to trade in the monstrous juggernaut that is Jita, well then fight for the right.
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Lilith Abaddon
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2016.12.19 17:42:51 -
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Maria Senseye wrote:From Ascension update, being in Jita is like playing on an old pc, everything lags out there ... can't align, warp, dock or fleeing in space without having a shuttering effect on camera and controls, warping to a celestial or station ? Nope! You could be teleported back to where you've started cause ... the server didn't tracked your movement due to high overload! If you undock to get out of that system ... somebody thinks that is a good ideea to fire some fireworks which renders 10fps!
Everything but EVERYTHING is fine outside Jita, even with highest quality settings, no lags, no fps drop ... but not in there! Before Ascension update we didn't had +1500 in system at any time, now we do ... and it's completely awful to be in the largest new eden market.
Defining Jita as a no fire zone would get off a large partion of the lag generation machine, we don't have something like this in the entire new eden ... and I'm sure it won't hurt.
CCPlease: Space= No fire zone |
Netan MalDoran
Planet Squanch
271
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Posted - 2016.12.19 17:47:19 -
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Can I use your potato to make fries? Cause I have graphics on max and get no lag on the Jita undock.
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2016.12.19 18:53:00 -
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My favorite Jita pastime is no longer viable now that stations no longer use defender missiles against snowballs and fireworks. RIP having people undocking and thinking a corax is tanking the station guns. |
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