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WastedMerc
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Posted - 2007.04.12 21:26:00 -
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About a month old now so bare with me. Anyway my question is this, is the Raven good at any pvp situation at all wether it's fleet, 1 vs 1, small gank/pirate groups etc?
I have searched the boards alot on various info when it comes to Caldari BS's and all seem to say the same thing. Raven is useless in PvP (Great for PvE) go with the Rokh. It's the only caldari pvp option.
The reason i ask is because i just find it hard to believe that such a good tanking ship as the raven would be useless. I don't see it being used as a primary dmg dealer especially since ppl say missles were nerfed into uselessness now but at the same time how does it work in fleet engagements? Does anyone try using it in fleet with a tanking setup and simply as dmg support etc? Often i see posts about using webs/scrams etc but imo the raven doesnt seem like the type of ship meant to play that role. I also don't see it meant to be a dmg dealing bs with the current lack luster of missles as well. It does however seem with it's tanking ability to be a decent dmg support ship due to it's high def and no cap need to fire it's weapons.
I don't know, maybe i am wrong to even think the role of a raven would be tank/dmg support in small gank ops/fleet since i am a noob and have yet to see how one would perform in such things. Anyway guess that's why i am here asking some of the veteran members for their input. Was thinking about posting this on the ship boards but at the same time it's a noob question i am guessing so i put it here. Thx for any info on what this ship is usefull for in pvp if anything at all.
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Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise
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Posted - 2007.04.12 21:57:00 -
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The worst thing of the raven is that its tank really weakens when you try to fit scramblers and/or webber into it, since shield tanking modules takes mid slots - compared to armor tank, which takes low slots, and leaves medslots for additional cap/webbers/scramblers/etc. There were some efforts to make armor-tanked raven, but afaik there's no decent armor-tank setup for raven sadly. As for small groups, with tacklers i guess raven could be fine for mid-range mid-damage support (note - there's better ships for close-range, high-damage support, as well as mid-range high-damage). I've heard about Burn Eden's raven gangs, but sadly haven't seen any...
And there's no much use of raven in large fleet combat, with ranges of 80+ km's, since missiles take time to get to your target, and in large fleets usually target is no more when your missiles reach it - either destroyed or warped out.
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Ghan Tylous
Caldari
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.12 22:34:00 -
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Raven is good as support ships and helping in taking down capitals.
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Moe deLawn
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Posted - 2007.04.13 01:02:00 -
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Not sure why you have the impression that a raven has a good tank. Out of all the second-level battleships, it's pretty poor! There are only 6 mid slots, and to even think about decent regen you need a shield booster *and* a cap booster. That only leaves four slots for resists. And the raven is terribly slow, but you can't afford to put on an AB either.
The rigs situation helps a bit, but if you're going to spend that much uninsurable money on a ship, may as well just get something much different and more suited to PvP.
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Irongut
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:07:00 -
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You don't really want to fit a tank in a fleet fight. If 10+ BS open up on you at once you're tank won't last more than seconds no matter how good it is. Raven is useful in fleets however as a support ship, mostly for ECM and dampening.
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:55:00 -
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just as a btw unless you're using a 1Bil shield booster the Drake tanks better than the Raven.
Both however suffer the same problems in PvP and that is, 1: To fit EW modules tank suffers, 2: in large fleets most things are dead before your missiles finally get there.
imo Drake works better in small gang PvP than the Raven so long as you've got something to tackle. I only fit 1 EW module on the drake, usually a scram and use other ships to add extra scram and webbers etc.
Advantage to the Rokh, from what i've heard/read (never flown one), is it can be used as a reasonably effective sniper from 200+Km again relying on other things to tackle. Raven doesn't work that way due to the length of time cruise missiles will take to reach their target.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.13 15:45:00 -
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Missile ships are not good in PVP, especially the raven. It can do ok DPS vs other BS, but too weak of a tank, and no room left for EW goodies.
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solarwinds
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.04.13 18:27:00 -
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The Raven is normally considered uber at PvE and sub par at PvP. It does great damage, and if you have a tackler it is definately a threat. Moreso if the Raven sits in a belt in 0.0 and pretends to rat and there is a cloaked Rapier parked beside it ready to lock down the target and paint it. It's decent for POS sieges where you only need tank and damage and no need for tackling, just adding DPS so your dreads aren't exposed as long (although a single Raven doesn't help that much).
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wild Ari
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.14 10:35:00 -
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the raven is a great PvP ship.
but like all other ships is doesnt work in any situation.
just keep the following things in mind.
due the need of medslots for tank you lack the ability to use EW/Web/Scram stuff. so you need a ship to support you.
benefit of this is - you have low slots free for damage mods (a thing most ppl like to forget).
prime armament are torps so you need painting or webbing support.
all in all the raven is a very good ship for small to medium sized engagements at close to medium range.
big benefit about missles is that you dont have to worry about optimal, transversal etc. that makes you more flexible in a warpin situation.
for fleetfights (aka 160km standoff fights) forget the raven plain sucks due the long flighttime of missles.
for 1vs.1 the raven is a bit unsuited due the lack of tackling capability.
in general its a good ship that just needs to be used right.
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Leonardo Sabrioski
Caldari
Veritas Praetorian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:35:00 -
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I would like you to talk to Burn Eden and their Raven 
Hi: Cruise Launcher II x 6
Med:
Dampaners x (w/e)
Sensor Booster x (w/e)
prob a warp scram but not likely
Low:
Armor tank
BCU II x (w/e)
Talk to their stats and then come back and make a thread like this.
The raven is pawnage...
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