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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.04.17 01:53:00 -
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Quote: You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
So ive always lived in the thinking that once you make anything of a script or a macro that alters the gameplay in any way. And there I was, seeing people discussing G16, and figured, ehm, that cant be legal, right? Seems it is.
So what is the definition of illegal software? Is simulating keyboard activity allright, but mousemovement not? Basicly my new super mouse wich can be made to make 6 clicks in a single, allowing me to fire all weapons at once - would be ok? no? The G15 should allow you to make a single button, target, scram and launch all weapons on the target of your choise, obviously way faster than the human hand can.
Figured mousemovement must be ok aswell, there issnt really any difference betwen keyboard and mouse after all. So maybe its data input/output, macros may simulate whatever input it wants but it cant read any output. Then again, this would mean simple mining macros is a piece of cake.
Obviously all of it is violating the ToS, but from what ive heard, there has been an official post saying that the G15 is legal, wich made me wonder. Wheres the line?
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.17 02:34:00 -
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The line is when you don't have to be at your computer to do complex but repetetive tasks. If you've got a key that activates all your high slots, power to ya. But if you've got a little program that lets you go have coffee while your character goes and does all the work, you get the ban stick.
That's basically where I've drawn it anyway. Just a thought, because that's the intention of their rule. Spirit of the law interpreted to letter FTW.
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phillip duncan
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Posted - 2007.04.17 23:05:00 -
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If you have any question about if you macro/tool is legal e-mail the mods and they will give you a ruling. There shoudl be a link on the left under my account out of game patitions.
The normal rule of thumb is does it give you an financial advantage in game against some else who is playing, then its not allowed.
From that has been said and looking at the G15 being aproved. If your macro does not repeat its self (e.g. one time action like activating all your weapons), you have to manually trigger it each time you want to use it and it does not responde to the cliant's output, then it should be ok.
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roadrage639
Caldari Velites Praefectus The Con-Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.18 00:09:00 -
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if you think about it.. its only like waiting activating all ur modules why u wait for your ship to lock them. ---------------- If You Can't Kill It, Slap It! The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again
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Dao 2
Suicidal-Kushan-Pirates
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Posted - 2007.04.18 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 18/04/2007 01:17:12 edit: sorry im ****ed apparently ;p i should figure out why....
oh right were celebrating with my dad and im forced to watch dancing with the stars
help me :*( ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.18 02:46:00 -
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Im one of those filthy G15 sploiters and all I can say is its awesome.
If you have 8 guns its meh but if you have 7 you can drag your scram into a high slot and a simple key macro will activate all 8 at once... it makes pvp a lot better imo... clicking guns frantically is just annoying.
Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Junior Angelfire
Gallente The Last Ravens
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Posted - 2007.04.18 03:00:00 -
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well, i use a gamepad called Nostromo. its like the g15 but its alot easier to use imho. i use one hand to activate everything, it has macros also.
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.18 03:21:00 -
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I'm a dirty G15 user as well. I've got guns to one key, afterburner to another, and so forth and it works out great; but I hardly call it exploiting, honestly. I still have to be there to do it, it just makes it more convenient for me. The G15 isn't capable of serious autopiloting. It aint a problem.
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2007.04.18 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast The line is when you don't have to be at your computer to do complex but repetetive tasks. If you've got a key that activates all your high slots, power to ya. But if you've got a little program that lets you go have coffee while your character goes and does all the work, you get the ban stick.
That's basically where I've drawn it anyway. Just a thought, because that's the intention of their rule. Spirit of the law interpreted to letter FTW.
This is the distinction I've seen used in lots of games, not just MMO's. Sure, those keyboards and mice do have macros carrying out complex commands with a single click or button press, but you are still there pressing a button. The illegal macros do not require you be there to press the button. That's what the Devs of this game, and pretty much every other game I've played are against, the automation of game play by programs. The keyboards and mice have no automation, just simplification.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.04.18 06:19:00 -
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To reiterate in a bit plainer English:
If it lets you use multiple keys at once it's usually not a problem.
If it lets you control your ship or does mouse movements, like dragging and dropping, it's a No-No.
But it also has to be part of hardware, like a G15 or Strategic Commander. If it's just a script you wrote, that's BAD, mmmkay.
Originally by: Troy Knight
[After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.18 06:58:00 -
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Mmm Id lve to have one of thoose keyboards or the implementation into the UI to bind several keys, frantic clicking for tunnel syndrome is something bad and just one button to active 8 things... thats 7 less clicks/keypresses. my wrist says it would love ccp for this. Other option being to buy one of theese darn keyboards... but wait, what if I have software that is written to work togheter with a piece of hardware(aka my standard keyboard), fair use and all that ;)
I know one or two programs that lets you do this with ease, and the functionality gets up to a G keyboard. Sad enough I think it would be possible to achieve 'scripts' with thoose, which means I dont dare use them even if my wrist and elbow would dress up in a bunny suit and go dance a striptease(lapdance not included) at the ccp office in thanks if they said: This piece of software lets you bind keys togheter, your free to use it with eve.
Give us less frantic clicking without having to go buy new hardware... How much is a G keyboard btw?
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2007.04.18 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sessho Seki on 18/04/2007 06:59:11 The hard and fast rules of macros, for any MMO really, is that:
A) so long as it doesn't automate any process of the game to allow for any level of unattended play and/or advancement B) it doesn't offer any advantage in speed/capability that a player without such a macro couldn't attain equally well C) does NOT in any way take advantage of any flaw in the game mechanics to achieve an advantage in any aspect of the game D) does NOT negatively impact any other component, player, or function of the game in any way
So long as your macro is clear of these issues, then it is "ok" because it isn't cheating or gaining any unfair advantage.
for instance, probably the most common macro in EVE is to fire multiple weapons with a single key-press. The reason that's legal is that it doesn't fire the guns any faster than the game is pre-programmed to allow to be possible, it's perfectly possible for any player to hit all the fire buttons at once, and such a macro wouldn't negatively impact any portion of the game.
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sorilin
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.18 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Quote: You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
So ive always lived in the thinking that once you make anything of a script or a macro that alters the gameplay in any way. And there I was, seeing people discussing G16, and figured, ehm, that cant be legal, right? Seems it is.
So what is the definition of illegal software? Is simulating keyboard activity allright, but mousemovement not? Basicly my new super mouse wich can be made to make 6 clicks in a single, allowing me to fire all weapons at once - would be ok? no? The G15 should allow you to make a single button, target, scram and launch all weapons on the target of your choise, obviously way faster than the human hand can.
Figured mousemovement must be ok aswell, there issnt really any difference betwen keyboard and mouse after all. So maybe its data input/output, macros may simulate whatever input it wants but it cant read any output. Then again, this would mean simple mining macros is a piece of cake.
Obviously all of it is violating the ToS, but from what ive heard, there has been an official post saying that the G15 is legal, wich made me wonder. Wheres the line?
go buy a G15. i wouldent want to play eve without it.. so much easy.. any here btw has a nice profile for eve ?? I am the borg! |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.18 07:26:00 -
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I use a G15. You can't set it up to target. Only keystrokes, not mouse actions, are programmable. I mostly just use mine for activating / deactivating mods. I generally have one key for weapons, one key for scram & web (in that order) and then one key for each other module.
You have to be careful though, lag can sometimes confuse the software causing it to drop the ctrl or alt key. Which can be the difference between activating a salvager or a cruise launcher
The little screen is great for teamspeak too.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.04.18 08:26:00 -
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If I could have any macro legally, it'd be one that did wtz on autopilot.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Frug If I could have any macro legally, it'd be one that did wtz on autopilot.
That would allow for an advantage which players without such a macro could not achieve, that being an auto-pilot that warped to zero meters from the destination.
As such, if you were caught using such a macro you could be severely punished.
Also, one could make an argument that it would also allow for unattended play, particularly on long trips across the galaxy, and even with WTZ a player may well not want to sit through it so they might wander off until they get toward the end of the trip.
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