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Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:12:00 - [91] Quote: Well, Joe Carebear is playing the game HIS way too. It should cost you some isk to be able to impose your style of play on an unwilling victim, sorry guys. QFT Because if joe carebear wants his way, he spends billions on his faction fitted ship and risks it in low sec. Thats the risk he takes by imposing a wtfpwnbbq permatank ship into a PvP hovel, wherehe'll probably get a whooping from two enemy bs
0raven0 Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:15:00 - [92] Code Monkey must be tired, he forgot to spell out whole words. P alliance was meant to be Privateer alliance. "p ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:19:00 - [93] this turns war back into a serious matter again, just a tad late imho but at least its here now. ______________________________________
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:38:00 - [94] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/04/2007 04:36:54 Heh, i don't really get it why it should be so boring with PVP in 0.0 space. Like us in INFOD, we are a big pirate corp that are living in low sec in Molden Heath. But we have 0.0 space fleet ops sometimes to, and i must say it's really really fun sometimes, specially when you are just roaming around in 0.0 space to find targets to shoot. I can give an good example on why it can be really fun, just look at this link HERE And then just scroll down to what DaMiGe have written there, then you will see why 0.0 space fleet ops is fun sometimes And if you want really good PVP Privateers, then just come into low sec in Molden Heath in a biggest possible gang, and have a fight with us Oh wtf did happen to my portrait here? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Hakar Kerarmor Gallente Arctic Productions	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:40:00 - [95] Originally by: Audemed 2) "If you were a real pvp'er you'd come out to (insert 0.0 region)." Yeha, I've lived in 0.0, I've pirated in 0.0, I know how it is. I've got screens of 18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser. How's that "real pvp"? I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship. How's that "real pvp"? 4) "Wardeccing is a cowardly EXPLOIT, yadda yadda" Okay, how you get that it's an exploit is beyond me. It's a legal part of the game mechanics, and afaik, always has been. Wait, aren't "18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser" and "I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship" legal parts of game mechanics as well?
MrPops Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:46:00 - [96] Originally by: BoBoZoBo Good fix CCP. I think this is quite reasonable and still allows for some kick arse PVP in Empire PA.. sorry they took away your safety net. Now YOU can learn how to play EVE.. LOL.. in the cold depths of space... in a system far..far away from the safety of stations....LOL.. loosers. You mean so they can get spanked right back up to Jita?
Liang Nuren Red 42 CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:59:00 - [97] Wow. I had alot of words to express how "brilliant" I consider the war dec changes, but I had to delete them all. I really can find no civil words to describe it. Moving on. I've been PVP'ing against the Privs since I was in game 3 days. THREE DAYS OLD and I was wardec'ed by the Privs. Know what? I enjoyed every moment of it. I relish going to Empire to see the red stars. At least I know I have a chance in Empire vs the Privs. So, 0.0 combat is where all the "real men" fight, eh? I've been fighting MC for the last couple weeks up in Deklein. So, when was the last time you were getting your PVP on 3v3, when a cyno pops up and SIX CAPITAL SHIPS (3 Motherships, 3 Carriers) cyno in on top of you? 0.0 PVP is not fun, exciting, or compelling. It gets even worse when a cyno pops up, everyone dies, and you watch a Titan pilot leave local less than a minute later. Remote DDD 4tw! So, what will happen to our Privateer friends? We know they won't goto low-sec, because there is no one in Low-sec. They might goto 0.0. Yes, indeed, encourage the Privateers to goto 0.0 and bang their head into the same wall I bang mine against. At least it's an even ground then. I guess the real point, is that this is an action to nerf a very specific alliance - and it's not even a nerf in as much as a crushing obliteration to any aspirations anyone has of Empire PVP. I'm beyond disappointed really, there's tons of things that needed fixing before a nerf of such colossal proportions to the Privs. I strongly encourage the Dev team to reconsider this monumental nerf to the Privs. A higher, and perhaps even steadily increasing tax per wardec is reasonable, but factorials and exponential functions are simply incredible. Liang
Gabriel Roberts Minmatar Brecken Solutions	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:03:00 - [98] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: murder one I'm not in Privateers. My main's alliance is war decced by them. Making this change to war decs will completely erase Privateers as we know it. CCP is yet again crushing any sort of imagination and creativity when it comes to piracy. Caving in to the whining of carebears if weak CCP. Very weak. QFT,the carebears cried and CCP caved in . Yes, because war deccing everyone for little isk is incredibly creative. We should all solute privateers for pioneering the future of pirating.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:23:00 - [99] On the bright side, at least the nerf will be a good ISK sink. However, the rate at which CCP is caving into a certain group of people's (who really should try out a certain other MMORPG) demands is scary. I hope Privateers adapts, and gets back to mass murdering in Empire as soon as possible (and I say that as a victim of the Privateers).
SlaineMor Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:32:00 - [100] Dunno how you can accuse me of station camping iron shirt when even without PvP experience one would know that a solo destroyer/interdictor can't take on a Scorp/Rax/2x Arbi/2x Destroyer + gang.. that only happens in carebear missions! so that point is beyond moot! just because 2 of use took out a couple of your AFs... 0.0 environment is either shuttles, stabbed indies or blobs but I don't suppose you'd know that unless youre in a <insert every alliance here> Friendly Corp!! PA is politic free, simple empire warfare.. no BS, no petty alliance egos.. almost perfect! and it cost our corp (and every corp) 50million isk per week, which isn't 'For Free' especially as we don't mine, we dont mission ***** etc... Nerf batting the War Dec system is just a carebear-pandering, ghey move by CCP. I spent 6 years playing UO and that pretty much died when they introduced Trammel (carebear) facet.. ruined the game... If CCP continue to do this they will loose the life of this game... Eat my Rusty Bullethole!

Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.04.18 05:36:00 - [101] Originally by: Ionia Disclaimer: Im 100% carebear so the war dec changes will HELP me personally, but I still do not agree with them. The EFFECTIVE cost for each wardec (weekly fees, ignoring startup) is as follows 1 - 50 2 - 150 3 - 250 4 - 350 5 - 450 6 - 550 7 - 650 8 - 750 9 - 850 10 - 950 awesome! It looks like CCP deleted my reply. What I said was: Do you think CCP can even code something like this without indroducing more game crippling lag? I doubt it. Watch CCP delete my response again....
Audemed Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:04:00 - [102] Originally by: Hakar Kerarmor Originally by: Audemed 2) "If you were a real pvp'er you'd come out to (insert 0.0 region)." Yeha, I've lived in 0.0, I've pirated in 0.0, I know how it is. I've got screens of 18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser. How's that "real pvp"? I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship. How's that "real pvp"? 4) "Wardeccing is a cowardly EXPLOIT, yadda yadda" Okay, how you get that it's an exploit is beyond me. It's a legal part of the game mechanics, and afaik, always has been. Wait, aren't "18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser" and "I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship" legal parts of game mechanics as well? I don't know where I claimed they weren't. I'm simply stating that their vision of "real" pvp isn't quite so savory either. ------ Currently stationed in Iraq, 190 days left to go! PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login.
SlaineMor Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:07:00 - [103] I think we need to hear from more alleged 'victims' of the PA alliance!! I think in the main, altough it may have cost them some isk before they surrendered that it was an educational experince for them and most will have found some enjoyment in it!!!!! They definately would have learned more about the machanics of Eve and whats do-able! I'm also sure that returning to their normal mission running and manufacturing etc will seem much less exciting! Eat my Rusty Bullethole!
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:09:00 - [104] Originally by: Hakar Kerarmor Originally by: Audemed 2) "If you were a real pvp'er you'd come out to (insert 0.0 region)." Yeha, I've lived in 0.0, I've pirated in 0.0, I know how it is. I've got screens of 18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser. How's that "real pvp"? I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship. How's that "real pvp"? 4) "Wardeccing is a cowardly EXPLOIT, yadda yadda" Okay, how you get that it's an exploit is beyond me. It's a legal part of the game mechanics, and afaik, always has been. Wait, aren't "18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser" and "I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship" legal parts of game mechanics as well? i'd like to add how is that different than you using 18 man gang against unarmed haulers in hubs? ad least in a command ship you have guns and one of the best non capital tanks in the game. glad they are doing this maybe Privateers will not do thier original 100 war target goal lets see that would be 1 trillion a week right lol
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:20:00 - [105] First, we get to learn that CCP employees get to work 3 hours a day, and CCP behaves like a dot-com startup from 1999. And now this? You must be joking...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:24:00 - [106] Originally by: Roule Quote: War Fees On a yet another separate note, the mechanics of War Fees will change in the 1.4.2 patch. Previously a war issued by an alliance would cost 50M + 50M/week. If the alliance or corporation being warred against was already the victim of another war that fee would increase by 50M for each war declared against the victim. Money-grubbing CONCORD has decided that the number of wars declared by the aggressor will now also count to increase the war prices and the larger of the two is used to determine the war instigation and upkeep fees. Example: Alliance P has ten wars in progress. They will have to pay 500M/war/week to keep the war machine running. If they now declare war on the eleventh corporation or alliance that war will cost 550M to start and the upkeep cost will be 550M/war/week for all the wars until any of the wars is canceled. This is an important matter of game-balance and we're happy we're finally getting it in. Hmm.... Hasn't the freighter dropping loot been in place for a few weeks now? i mean i only had to get in a hauler a few weeks ago to loot a tonne of minerals from one. Sounds like your putting that into cover up the new carebear loving move you've made. Seriouly are you really going to take away the freedom that this MMO is valued for over any other. Scan probe nerf (turning away from skill needed to a lottery) Warp to 0? Now Privateer nerfing? I was led to believe this was a game about fighting stuff not preserving stuff. I guess this is another one to the forum carebears whine. quit you privateer alt. war isnt being nerfed. just because you cany be war decced with everyone doesnt mean war is nerfed. get out to lo sec and 0.0 and g o at it
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:27:00 - [107] What is it with you ppl and carebears anyway. THIS ISN'T A PVP GAME, IT IS A PVP-BIASSED GAME! --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Audemed Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:27:00 - [108] Edited by: Audemed on 18/04/2007 06:23:41 Originally by: Empire marketslave Originally by: Hakar Kerarmor Originally by: Audemed 2) "If you were a real pvp'er you'd come out to (insert 0.0 region)." Yeha, I've lived in 0.0, I've pirated in 0.0, I know how it is. I've got screens of 18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser. How's that "real pvp"? I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship. How's that "real pvp"? 4) "Wardeccing is a cowardly EXPLOIT, yadda yadda" Okay, how you get that it's an exploit is beyond me. It's a legal part of the game mechanics, and afaik, always has been. Wait, aren't "18 man blobs chasing my battlecruiser" and "I've had people cyno carriers ontop of gates to kill my command ship" legal parts of game mechanics as well? i'd like to add how is that different than you using 18 man gang against unarmed haulers in hubs? ad least in a command ship you have guns and one of the best non capital tanks in the game. glad they are doing this maybe Privateers will not do thier original 100 war target goal lets see that would be 1 trillion a week right lol Again, alt, you fail to check our killboards. You'll notice a rather distinct lack of haulers for the most part. Most of the ships we kill are combat fitted. Of course, you'd have no knowledge of us fighting the enemy gangs that target US. How uneven is 6 cruisers and a BC vs my armageddon? Isn't that the crap you talk about? Oh, but it's different when WE'RE outnumbered, then it's fair. I smell IAC on you, dirty alt... ------ Currently stationed in Iraq, 190 days left to go! PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:32:00 - [109] Yeah, or you just dont report hauler kills because you are to ashamed you cant kill a combat ship? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
jitamarketspy	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:35:00 - [110] Originally by: Audemed Again, alt, you fail to check our killboards. You'll notice a rather distinct lack of haulers for the most part. Most of the ships we kill are combat fitted. Of course, you'd have no knowledge of us fighting the enemy gangs that target US. How uneven is 6 cruisers and a BC vs my armageddon? Isn't that the crap you talk about? Oh, but it's different when WE'RE outnumbered, then it's fair. This is totally true! Why just last night outside of Jita 4-4 CNAP as I was stealing from the cans that their kills dropped, I saw the Privateers kill several battleships, cruisers, interceptors, they even went after the one commandship that undocked, but it redocked and never came out. It was amazing PvP! The best was the Maelstrom which held off the 4 dominix all with Ogre IIs, the Arbitrator, and the 3 interceptors which were NOSing, Scramming, and Bumping it for a good 1-2 minutes. Truely worldclass PvP, I tell ya! At least I got some t2 ammo, drones and modules out of it.

Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.18 06:44:00 - [111] Edited by: Nullity on 18/04/2007 06:41:40 Originally by: jitamarketspy Originally by: Audemed Again, alt, you fail to check our killboards. You'll notice a rather distinct lack of haulers for the most part. Most of the ships we kill are combat fitted. Of course, you'd have no knowledge of us fighting the enemy gangs that target US. How uneven is 6 cruisers and a BC vs my armageddon? Isn't that the crap you talk about? Oh, but it's different when WE'RE outnumbered, then it's fair. This is totally true! Why just last night outside of Jita 4-4 CNAP as I was stealing from the cans that their kills dropped, I saw the Privateers kill several battleships, cruisers, interceptors, they even went after the one commandship that undocked, but it redocked and never came out. It was amazing PvP! The best was the Maelstrom which held off the 4 dominix all with Ogre IIs, the Arbitrator, and the 3 interceptors which were NOSing, Scramming, and Bumping it for a good 1-2 minutes. Truely worldclass PvP, I tell ya! At least I got some t2 ammo, drones and modules out of it. I don't get what you're trying to prove. Are you trying to prove they don't fight fairly? Well I hate to break it to you, but no one does in EVE. It's really not a big deal. I still respect the Privateers boatloads more than the corporations and alliances that sit around and do agent missions all day. At least the Privateers add some much needed content, and excitement to Empire.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:43:00 - [112] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 17/04/2007 22:49:46 CCP designed EvE as PVP game. They also made the universe: high sec: as safe haven low sec: not so safe - you can die but there is consequences 0.0: no consequences Privateers made fun of that concept by using game mechanics in a way they break the game for carebears. Just so. Privateers made high sec unsafe by using a loophole in game mechanics. High sec is supopsed to by High sec e.g. safe. Not some weird hybrid of low sec / 0.0 And the Privateers can still have their wars. Just a lot less of them. Now we get to see if they will pick real fights or just dec small corps with young pilots in them.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:46:00 - [113] Originally by: SlaineMor Originally by: Ironshirt Other stuff... I know alot of cute fuzzy people have the idea that privateers is full of ganking pirates that are afraid of return fire but have you even looked at the member corps of privateers?!!! most are PvP corps, ex mercs and not station campers or cowards! pls get your intel right before disrespecting other pilots I've seen this argument a lot..... Translated into RL analogy: "Some of us are only bullying other bullies. Therefore it doesn't matter that the rest of our group is bullying the small kids!" The concept of Privateers was flawed from the start because they let in everyone and their dog, including a LOT of griefers, and didn't do anything to restrain themselves. If you'd limited yourselves to the major 0.0 alliances (I have another char in one of them), you wouldn't have been nerfed. You went from creating fun for people (on both sides), into mass griefing. That's why the nerfbat hit you, and if you can't see that... CCP wants this game to be playable for PvP'ers as well as PvE'ers. The Piwateers (ab)use of the wardec system threatened that, so they had to go... Plain and simple... General advice: Stop whining!
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:54:00 - [114] Did a certain alliance, lets call it "P", ** off somehow another alliance, lets call it "B", so that they are getting nerfed? You guys should nerf empire ganking (no insurance for CONCORD kills) and not "P"¦. ...now in RED**
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:56:00 - [115] Originally by: Captain Thunk 0.0 is about POS warfare, filling a system with 500+ pilots so security is maintained with minimal effort and riding server weaknesses so your enemy lags out loading your blob while you pop them. Throw in some virtually indestructable ships and it's still not the basis for a good night out. Luckily there's no sign of any corruption else it really would suck out there. Yes, the things you talk about (POS warfare, blobbing, super-capitals) happen in 0.0, but mostly it's about roaming and gang fights. The current great war causes some blobbing, but easy to get around and still find fights.... Get a bunch of inties together and roam! You're pretty sure to have fun and find fights, but of.c. people in 0.0 (mostly) know how to shoot back... Oops, sorry, forgot that that's not how Privateers prefer it.. My bad.. General advice: Stop whining!
Par'Gellen Gallente Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:33:00 - [116] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 18/04/2007 08:30:09 Originally by: Kerfira Get a bunch of inties together and roam! You're pretty sure to have fun and find fights, but of.c. people in 0.0 (mostly) know how to shoot back... Oops, sorry, forgot that that's not how Privateers prefer it.. My bad.. QFT! I know of a very simple workaround for Privateers to avoid the new War taxes. They could PvP all they want in high sec with no risk of CONCORD intervention and it would be completely free of charge. No taxes at all. How? Form a new "Privateers" style corp and anyone that joins it can shoot anyone else that's in it. Hell they'd even have their own corp channel for coordinating it. Guaranteed PvP and everyone is happy. Unfortunately, as you said, they aren't interested in real big boy PvP where the target might have a chance of fighting back. It's sad really... --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Skeenee Al'Ramed Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:36:00 - [117] Thanks for bringing us one step closer to WOW..; Outrageous changes!!!!!
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:37:00 - [118] Originally by: Reachok Mo0 once went into Yulai, and using game mechanics destroyed both Concord and numerous pod pilots. They were banned for a while. Privateers pulled a Mo0, effectivly turning Empire into 0.0 with upwards of 137 war decs. 137 war decs has to impact over a 1000 players at least. That's a good chunk of people to be affecting! Wait... so Privateers are the new m0o after all?
maGz Chaos Reborn 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:44:00 - [119] Edited by: maGz on 18/04/2007 08:40:02 As usual CCP seem to think it's a good idea to change something innovative (albeit lame to some), and **** it up completely. Is the main goal to completely destroy any type of fun in the game and have us all act the same way? ____________ Coming soon...
EscapeArtist Caldari Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.04.18 08:46:00 - [120] Well before you start screaming: Bye bye Privateer Alliance.. Let's see how they adapt to the new system, maybe they will find a work around. Going slightly off-top I'm a pirate, and as a result have negative status, whatÆs the big deal hanging in low sector for kills, check the DVII boards, we do okà Real men donÆt do Empireà LOL.  ItÆs a joke BTW, before someone stacks. :) Freighter drops will be cool, but very few come through low sector... even more without escort. The only way 'real' cough pirates will get a freighter kill is with the war-dec system. I am happy to see balancing happening with war decs though, as it was clear to see PA where not using the system as was originally intended by CCP. ------



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