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Paradigm Calibre
Horizon Industry
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Posted - 2017.01.16 10:20:03 -
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Killmarks on ship hulls were a delicious idea, but I don't see them getting the attention imagined in their description when they were first introduced.
Perhaps a notation somewhere on killmails of how many killmarks the target had at the time of his/her demise would encourage players to look for them when deciding on the "juiciness" of a target. Perhaps a career-statistic of "killmarks destroyed" to compliment "isk destroyed" somehow?
For extra credit, killmarks being a bit more noticeable would help this.
Perhaps more contrast in coloring? Perhaps an opaque background on whatever part of the hull they're to be painted? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.01.16 11:07:16 -
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Delete * from database where information equals killmails
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.16 13:27:57 -
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Now I know you didn't even try to see if this had been posted b4
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:19:10 -
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We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.19 10:16:10 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing.
i like killmails in my bio thank you very much
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.19 12:23:01 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing. i like killmails in my bio thank you very much
sorry you need something like this to feel validated. however in game kms are fine its the public api that needs to go
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.19 12:32:27 -
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dont we all need something to feel validated? isnt that the whole point of this thread and whole point of this game?
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2017.01.19 14:50:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i like killmails in my bio thank you very much
I like getting into fights. People refuse to engage because it might mess up their precious killboard. Get rid of killboards and we will have more decent fights.
Getting into fights and having fun in game is more important than the epeen from having a good killboard. A 90% and higher killboard simply tells me that person never has the fun of yolo-ing it into a fight they might lose. Saying "screw it, we're going to be annihilated" and going in anyway are some of the most fun fights you can have. Killboards prevent those from happening more often. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.19 15:33:44 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i like killmails in my bio thank you very much I like getting into fights. People refuse to engage because it might mess up their precious killboard. Get rid of killboards and we will have more decent fights. Getting into fights and having fun in game is more important than the epeen from having a good killboard. A 90% and higher killboard simply tells me that person never has the fun of yolo-ing it into a fight they might lose. Saying "screw it, we're going to be annihilated" and going in anyway are some of the most fun fights you can have. Killboards prevent those from happening more often.
i have over 90% killboard and i have a lot of fun yolo'ing into fights
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2017.01.19 15:46:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i have over 90% killboard and i have a lot of fun yolo'ing into fights, but removing them isnt going to make people take more risks, isk loss is more a factor in that imo
I disagree. There are a lot of people who care more about killboard stats than decent fights. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.19 16:02:34 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i have over 90% killboard and i have a lot of fun yolo'ing into fights, but removing them isnt going to make people take more risks, isk loss is more a factor in that imo I disagree. There are a lot of people who care more about killboard stats than decent fights.
hell there are entire corps and alliances that have their members terrified about taking a fight that they have a small possibility of loosing.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.19 16:11:25 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i have over 90% killboard and i have a lot of fun yolo'ing into fights, but removing them isnt going to make people take more risks, isk loss is more a factor in that imo I disagree. There are a lot of people who care more about killboard stats than decent fights. hell there are entire corps and alliances that have their members terrified about taking a fight that they have a small possibility of loosing.
but do you really think making killmails only personal and not public will solve this? no it wont, people will just create a site like zkillboard but using a different way to store and display that data. people will just adapt to make them public.
And just because someone uses killboards for stats and you dont like that does not warrant its removal so you can get better fights, which probably wont happen, if someone isnt allowed to yolo or a corp wont let them the player has the choice to leave, and they will if they dont like that attitude.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.19 16:36:43 -
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you take away public km apis and sites like zkill will stop functioning as there will no longer be ways to easily upload and no way to validate
KMs create what is probably the most inorganic situations in eve. remove them and people pew because they want to pew rather than they want to pad
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
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Posted - 2017.01.19 20:47:42 -
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My killboard is just me dieing to npcs and dieing to ganks a few times.
That said removing stats in any game is beneficial to the actual playing of a game. Its true for all game whether it'd be eve or a first person shooter. I used to play dust and even in dust kdr was a big thing when it shouldn't have been. You couldnt track isk lost or gained from actual matches where you fighting the other Mercs for profits but it was focused on kdr padding and everyone wass always butter or toxic for losing kill ratios even if we were all making ridiculous amounts of money a match. Having a big performance graph after eac battle did nothing but cause people to get egos. Same can be said for battlefield or call of duty.
Once you stop carrying about stats or performance playing the actual game is much more enjoyable for the sake of playing and not performing. But Ive never been a big PvP guy in this game. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2017.01.19 21:08:08 -
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killmails are too small. they need to be bigger on the ships so you can actually see them when looking at a ship without needing to detatch the camera in order to zoom close enough |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.19 21:40:47 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:killmails are too small. they need to be bigger on the ships so you can actually see them when looking at a ship without needing to detatch the camera in order to zoom close enough
those are kill marks
they get bigger if you kill more things w/o dying
i like kill marks they can stay
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3521
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Posted - 2017.01.20 06:51:14 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing. This is a game, and comparing stats about how well or not you perform compared with others is a central feature of every competitive game.
Also I agree with Lan that resources are probably the bigger factor for fights not happening than a killboard.
If you want meaningless fights go play a MOBA
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.20 07:10:03 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing. This is a game, and comparing stats about how well or not you perform compared with others is a central feature of every competitive game. Also I agree with Lan that resources are probably the bigger factor for fights not happening than a killboard. If you want meaningless fights go play a MOBA
except kd/ isk eff are generally irrelevant when comparing how good you are in eve not to mention the amount of free intel kms give
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.01.20 07:48:24 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:except kd/ isk eff are generally irrelevant when comparing how good you are in eve not to mention the amount of free intel kms give A common sentiment from people with an extremely red killboard.
Also the intel part can be completely avoided by just posting the km manually at the end of a play session, which is exactly what I do.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.20 08:05:28 -
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i have toons with green and red kill boards yet none are reflective of how much isk/influence i hold in the game.
the fact that you seem to think posting the km at the end of a session negates the Intel it gives shows how little you understand
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.20 09:27:37 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:you take away public km apis and sites like zkill will stop functioning as there will no longer be ways to easily upload and no way to validate
KMs create what is probably the most inorganic situations in eve. remove them and people pew because they want to pew rather than they want to pad
you are assuming that everyone will undock and eve will be a bustling battleground of good fights because the removal of killmails, no it wont, people are still going to be cautious of losing the ships because they have to replace them. all it really does is makes people even more cautious because your hunter alts and supercap blob is now invisible.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.20 09:32:12 -
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when did i say it would do that? and it hardly makes hunting alts invisible but it does take away free intel
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2017.01.20 09:44:40 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:We need to get rid of killmails, if anything. Not add more to them. If it's available only to you, fine, but public killmails and killboards are a bad thing.
this is true, I cant tell you how many "pvp" corps ive been in that's been extremely strict.....I cant say the word as it isn't allowed on forums. you die for some reason you have to be "counseled" if they don't out right kick you, your only allowed to do something in a hole or null system if you have an alt on every hole or surrounding system, or can only undock if everyone else is on.
Also killmarks on Killmails will only have gankers on your case to ruin your streak....
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.20 12:24:11 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:when did i say it would do that? and it hardly makes hunting alts invisible but it does take away free intel
free intel = pretty much hidden hunters
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.01.20 13:15:05 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:when did i say it would do that? and it hardly makes hunting alts invisible but it does take away free intel
no intel = pretty much hidden hunters
but it's not no intel. just no free intel. even players one on for a couple of months have no issue spotting out hunters w/o killboards the ships and flying patterns are easy to learn. not to mention you only need to see them do it once to add a note to them. Killboards also can give both a false seance of safety and risk. many of our hunters have managed to keep their KBs clean with only the odd death that is easy to bury.
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