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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 08:41:00 -
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How can it be possible that people can get away with that? Now before anyone tells me go to low sec - this is NOT what its about!
If someone scans me in highsec during a mission and then salvages my wrecks - so be it. BUT If I cant attack him without getting concorded this is plain stupid and has NOTHING to do with pvp-orientated. In my eyes this is only exploiting. CCP PLEASE fix ASAP
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timov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 08:54:00 -
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Yes, signed...
before last patch, wracks needed to be empty to salavge and looting another players wrack caused criminal. a good compromise to be able to salvage wracks anotherone doesnt wanted or couldnt without the need of a gang anytime. That was a better way do deal with salvaging and wracks to my mind.
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:16:00 -
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They aren't your wrecks. They belong to the player (or NPC in this case) that owned the ship that created the wreck.
Ninja salvaging is a legitimate profession, and has turned out exactly how CCP wanted.
Deal with it.
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Belmarduk
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Belmarduk on 18/04/2007 09:22:46
Originally by: Marquis Dean They aren't your wrecks. They belong to the player (or NPC in this case) that owned the ship that created the wreck.
Ninja salvaging is a legitimate profession, and has turned out exactly how CCP wanted.
Deal with it.
Nope I have np that it is possible but I would like to be able to defend myself against this "ninja" without getting concorded.............
The wreck is MINE - I killed the ship - whats the difference between the loot in the wreck and the wrekch itsself hm? This needs to be fixed - This is only stupid edit: I am the original poster - this is my alt
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk The wreck is MINE - I killed the ship
The wreck is not yours. You need to accept that. CCP isn't going to change it.
--- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:45:00 -
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*sigh* Then something is not logic and/or wrong.
I killed the ship - The items in the ship belong to me but the wreck doesnt??? Wheres the logic in that?
This person who is salvaging my (not my whatever wreck) is using highsec as protection (he is griefing me) If I cannot legitamtly fight a griefer it turns into harrasment...
As I said I have np that it is possible (even in highsec that someone can scan me and then loot wrecks which I(!) have only killed 30 sec ago)BUT I cant attack this player?!
This person knows this and does it BECAUSE he/she knows he/she is safe because not criminally flagged.......... This illogical - has NOTHING to do with pvp-orientated game - is an exploit in my eyes !! Everything has risk/reward in eve - and thats how it should be in eve,but this is ZERO risk and only ****es people off.
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timov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: timov on 18/04/2007 09:51:43 Edited by: timov on 18/04/2007 09:51:12 Edited by: timov on 18/04/2007 09:48:21
Originally by: Marquis Dean They aren't your wrecks. They belong to the player (or NPC in this case) that owned the ship that created the wreck.
Ninja salvaging is a legitimate profession, and has turned out exactly how CCP wanted.
Deal with it.
... but anyone taking loot of is flagged for me, yes? and case you blow up a wreck of another player not in corp, but in gang in high sec, you gotta tank the concord - as long as possible , yes? But you COULD salvage it - without any trouble. ^^ so without me wanting to start those so much beloved discussion about wreck ownership again - i find it inconsistent at least. Shure, I'd deal with it - but that doenst mean that i have to like it
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa *sigh* Then something is not logic and/or wrong.
I killed the ship - The items in the ship belong to me but the wreck doesnt??? Wheres the logic in that?
The items in the ship belong to the person you killed. Do a show info on the wreck next time you kill someone. Your face is nowhere to be seen, but the owner of the destroyed ship is there.
It's HIS wreck.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:01:00 -
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no use brownnosing ccp by acting all smart.. a NPC dont own anything, and i am pretty sure i killed the dude that now resides in the pile of scrapmetal floating in space. pretty hard to own something when you are dead.
so now.. if the items are mine, that means killing that ship did something to claim ownership of said items, but what would stop me from clasifying the salvage (which is nothing more then another loot of stuff that wasnt simply in the cargo bay) as nothing more then extra loot ? and therefor concider it my own.
thinking otherwise is.. weird at best. theres enough easymode "pirating" in this game, and when people come in and just take a ton of your earnings(just like ore thieving ?) without being able to shoot them, its broken nothing more
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix no use brownnosing ccp by acting all smart.. a NPC dont own anything, and i am pretty sure i killed the dude that now resides in the pile of scrapmetal floating in space. pretty hard to own something when you are dead.
so now.. if the items are mine, that means killing that ship did something to claim ownership of said items, but what would stop me from clasifying the salvage (which is nothing more then another loot of stuff that wasnt simply in the cargo bay) as nothing more then extra loot ? and therefor concider it my own.
thinking otherwise is.. weird at best. theres enough easymode "pirating" in this game, and when people come in and just take a ton of your earnings(just like ore thieving ?) without being able to shoot them, its broken nothing more
This guy is smart - listen to him - 100% my opinion ;) This is exactly what I have been trying to say !!!
Something IS BROKEN
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SoldierOfJustice
Kurai-Komichi Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:48:00 -
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I dont do many missions in highsec. But its really simple: kill a rat, right click the wreck, check info. If it shows the killer's picture on it then it belongs to the killer. In that case if anybody salvages it then that person should be flagged. The salvager should be flagged UNLESS CCP did chose the opposit on purpose and they need to tell ppl that ;).
I've heard many say CCP want ppl to pvp more than carebearing. If the salvager gets flagged then its an indirect way to make ppl go pvp a little more :D.
It should also be mentioned that if ppl get flagged after salvaging other's wrecks then there will be fewer rigs on market.
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Vasiliyan
Gallente Ordnace Research and Development
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Posted - 2007.04.18 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: SoldierOfJustice
It should also be mentioned that if ppl get flagged after salvaging other's wrecks then there will be fewer rigs on market.
Which would be really bad. They're expensive enough as it is. --------- Currently offering high-sec POS standings service for 0.5 systems within the Gallente Federation. Evemail me for details. |
Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.04.18 11:42:00 -
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make wrecks last longer, and have a timer on them after which they become salvagable by anyone
enabling non-counterable thiefing would sooner maker me shoot my own wrecks then waiting for some nub comming in and taking it all
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.04.18 11:51:00 -
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If someone salvages an NPC wreck, he flashes red for you, same as a can rob. Also if they rob your own wreck, then they activate your right to respond.
Sounds fair enough.... and it makes ratting and mining in lower high sec more fun.
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rabbitual Ferrier If someone salvages an NPC wreck, he flashes red for you, same as a can rob. Also if they rob your own wreck, then they activate your right to respond.
Sounds fair enough.... and it makes ratting and mining in lower high sec more fun.
No - thats the problem - ONLY when someone takes something out of the can.If you salvage the wreck (which wasnt possible before last patch if something was in the wreck) you can salvage the wreck and get the salvage - the wreck turns into a can. AND you are NOT flagged even if its not your wreck. I got concorded when I tried to retaliate....
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.18 15:03:00 -
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Looting and salvaging is about the same. Thats why I dont understand that you get only flagged as a thief for looting other ppls wrecks, not for salvaging.
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Looting and salvaging is about the same. Thats why I dont understand that you get only flagged as a thief for looting other ppls wrecks, not for salvaging.
Yes it looks like that was overlooked when introducing the last patch - Hopefully a dev is reading this thread and will do something about it.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:56:00 -
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It wasn't "overlooked", it was an intentional device to create a new profession.
In the meantime, if you really want to shoot salvagers, go to LoSec. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa *sigh* Then something is not logic and/or wrong.
I killed the ship - The items in the ship belong to me but the wreck doesnt??? Wheres the logic in that?
This person who is salvaging my (not my whatever wreck) is using highsec as protection (he is griefing me) If I cannot legitamtly fight a griefer it turns into harrasment...
As I said I have np that it is possible (even in highsec that someone can scan me and then loot wrecks which I(!) have only killed 30 sec ago)BUT I cant attack this player?!
This person knows this and does it BECAUSE he/she knows he/she is safe because not criminally flagged.......... This illogical - has NOTHING to do with pvp-orientated game - is an exploit in my eyes !! Everything has risk/reward in eve - and thats how it should be in eve,but this is ZERO risk and only ****es people off.
youer use of the word grief is wrong. Join a corp ( u havent) and get some assistance have someone come in thats friendly to u and salvage-loot youre wrecks. I know because i scan down and salvage-loot other ppls missions for a profitable living yes i do loose ships when ppl blow me up and im quite ok to have that element in the game they blow me up due to my own greed-slow reaction then so be it
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske It wasn't "overlooked", it was an intentional device to create a new profession.
In the meantime, if you really want to shoot salvagers, go to LoSec.
it wsa intentional as i said no mention made of im taking acorp buddy out to help me salvage ( so youre just i want to use a approrpiate word - not taking advantage of multiplayer)
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:35:00 -
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This is going in circles now...
I am NOT saying that salvaging other peoples wrecks should be forbidden !!!!!!! If people like that play-style - so be it
BUT for Heavens Sake I should be aloud to retaliate then or not???
I am in a corp and an alliance - all corp mates I have talked to about it have the same opinion - we WILL declare war on this guy at a time of our convinience.
But this is not the point.... Why dont me make ALL cans lootable without flagging??
I see NO difference in a can and a wreck. Looting cans gives you a timer but salvaging wrecks doesnt?? hmmm
Yes sure if I am ratting in 0,0 I can take care of this person immediatley, but in empire he IS being protected by concord so that I cant do anything about it even though he is stealing from me.Where the hell is the logic there????
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa This is going in circles now...
I am NOT saying that salvaging other peoples wrecks should be forbidden !!!!!!! If people like that play-style - so be it
BUT for Heavens Sake I should be aloud to retaliate then or not???
I am in a corp and an alliance - all corp mates I have talked to about it have the same opinion - we WILL declare war on this guy at a time of our convinience.
But this is not the point.... Why dont me make ALL cans lootable without flagging??
I see NO difference in a can and a wreck. Looting cans gives you a timer but salvaging wrecks doesnt?? hmmm
Yes sure if I am ratting in 0,0 I can take care of this person immediatley, but in empire he IS being protected by concord so that I cant do anything about it even though he is stealing from me.Where the hell is the logic there????
wrong salvage is a ship wreck that is well a wreck, salvagign is module orientated meaning anyone can do it. Loot on the other hand is worth more u should stop whining and making a fool of youreself. Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
Ok I give up - no point in discussing this anymore
Then so be it - let the empire-pirates loot other peoples stuff under concord - protection.
Lets encourage high-sec protected griefing without possibility to retaliate (pvp-game...)
Bye
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Humwawa
Originally by: Callthetruth Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
Ok I give up - no point in discussing this anymore
Then so be it - let the empire-pirates loot other peoples stuff under concord - protection.
Lets encourage high-sec protected griefing without possibility to retaliate (pvp-game...)
Bye
That's the game you're playing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it needs to change. You don't like it: stop playing.
--- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:05:00 -
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ill piont to wow where theres no risk just a boring NPC grind
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Drethon
Gallente Knights Hospitalier
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth wrong salvage is a ship wreck that is well a wreck, salvagign is module orientated meaning anyone can do it. Loot on the other hand is worth more u should stop whining and making a fool of youreself. Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
Pardon me if I'm wrong here, I never salvage without looting first, but doesn't salvaging destroy the container as well, meaning that salvaging is no different than destroying a jet can?
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drethon
Originally by: Callthetruth wrong salvage is a ship wreck that is well a wreck, salvagign is module orientated meaning anyone can do it. Loot on the other hand is worth more u should stop whining and making a fool of youreself. Loot u get flagged for its good the way it is
Pardon me if I'm wrong here, I never salvage without looting first, but doesn't salvaging destroy the container as well, meaning that salvaging is no different than destroying a jet can?
No, currently if there's loot in the wreck it's ejected in a regular can when salvaged. Before that, wrecks couldn't be salvaged at all as long as there was still loot in them.
(Yet more evidence that everything about loot vs. salvage is intentional.) * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:41:00 -
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Simply:
Salvage and rig prices were WAY higher than CCP wanted. One of the reasons was because many mission runners felt it wasn't worth their time to salvage, hence huge amounts of parts were just being left there.
CCP wanted those parts on the market, they were balancing their drops based on the fact that the salvage was available. So they brought in the ability to salvage without looting in order to get prices down.
Blame all those players that weren't salvaging, had they been doing it the mechanics would not have been altered. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
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Humwawa
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:50:00 -
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@ Marquise Dean -
Yep those are my options...
@ Callthetruth -
Thats what I am talking about - player A steals from Player B wth no risk... and I come from UO... who are celebrating their 10th year anniversary (me my 6th year anni...) - dont let me even get started about wow... ;) I started eve a year ago and have sofar liked the 360¦ game-style with on the whole fairly mature players
@ Drethon Since last patch it is possible to salvage FIRST - when salvaged the wreck changes into a can. Loot other players can - flagged Loot other players wreck but not can - not flagged
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:52:00 -
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Anaalys is completely right. Wreakage having no inherent ownership is one of the keys to making rigs more module-like in price, like intended.
* * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams, writing about EVE |
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