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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:06:00 -
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Makes 55 a day at a POS. 36 a day at a station I believe.
Starting Bid: 50B Reserve: Hidden Bid Increase: 1B Buyout: Lets see how deep your pockets are....
Ends 10 days from first bid....
Have Fun
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Templer Relleg
Exit 13
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Templer Relleg on 18/04/2007 16:15:19 Whoa. Whats up with the price? You might wanna lower it. I dont think you would ever be able to do profit of it, with that price. At least not inside the next 30 years! And how big is the profit? Very small from that.
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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Imodesky Kafelnikov on 18/04/2007 16:16:16
It profits 90 Billion a year at current prices.....
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Templer Relleg
Exit 13
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Templer Relleg on 18/04/2007 16:20:22 Edited by: Templer Relleg on 18/04/2007 16:17:16
Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov Edited by: Imodesky Kafelnikov on 18/04/2007 16:16:16
It profits 90 Billion a year at current prices.....
What kind of profit do you make with current prices? Do remember it can go further down with invention
EDIT: From on the top of my head, that would require you to make 4,4mill profit per unit. Can you do that?
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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Imodesky Kafelnikov on 18/04/2007 16:21:39 As I said 90 Billion isk.... understand? Good. In all likely hood prices will stabalize soon.... They dont cost very much to build....
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:29:00 -
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While he is correct that at current prices you can make nearly 90B a year (Which is ABSOLUTELY RETARDED and is a perfect example of why there should never have been a T2 BPO of this item) there is no way it will stay that way. Because of the absurd output of these BPO's the price will continue to drop and drop and drop until this BPO is nearly worthless.
This BPO was screwed up badly. There is absolutely no reason it should have such a quick build time. Half as many per day would be too many. But yeah, it's a very very valuable BPO currently and the only reason anyone would sell it is because they know how cheap Expander II's will be in a few more months.
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b0xor
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle While he is correct that at current prices you can make nearly 90B a year (Which is ABSOLUTELY RETARDED and is a perfect example of why there should never have been a T2 BPO of this item) there is no way it will stay that way. Because of the absurd output of these BPO's the price will continue to drop and drop and drop until this BPO is nearly worthless.
This BPO was screwed up badly. There is absolutely no reason it should have such a quick build time. Half as many per day would be too many. But yeah, it's a very very valuable BPO currently and the only reason anyone would sell it is because they know how cheap Expander II's will be in a few more months.
Suck my balls
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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2007.04.18 16:33:00 -
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A. Prices have been projected to stabalize at around 3.5m a pop for several reasons.
B. Please go cry on someone elses forum post... Mine is getting wet...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:07:00 -
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Oh, it has been projected to stabilize at 3.5 mil has it? Really now? Lets see that discussion on the forums... I've certainly never seen it.
Saying something is true won't make it happen. Prices show no sign of stopping their steady decline downwards... especially not within a week or two which is when they'd have to stop to hit the 3.5 mil price point. 3.5 is wishful thinking.
The funny part is that even at 2.5 mil this BPO is worth nearly 50 bil a year... so a 50 bil bid may not be a bad investment for some. I've actually been considering it... but since the reserve is unknown and obviously higher I am withholding any such bids for the time being.
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Jennifer Meek
Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Oh, it has been projected to stabilize at 3.5 mil has it? Really now? Lets see that discussion on the forums... I've certainly never seen it.
Saying something is true won't make it happen. Prices show no sign of stopping their steady decline downwards... especially not within a week or two which is when they'd have to stop to hit the 3.5 mil price point. 3.5 is wishful thinking.
The funny part is that even at 2.5 mil this BPO is worth nearly 50 bil a year... so a 50 bil bid may not be a bad investment for some. I've actually been considering it... but since the reserve is unknown and obviously higher I am withholding any such bids for the time being.
I think this is an auction thread, not a discussion about how much the print is worth. Don't like it, don't buy it. ---
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.18 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 18/04/2007 17:55:01 I havn't bought it yet, but I am considering it as I have said in a previous post. If I had no interest in it I wouldn't be posting. But I am not yet ready to place a bid and in the questioning of the price (which someone else did before me) it was a way to determine the resolve of the seller to see if the price may drop.
But the seller does not have open reign to make up false statements such as the 3.5 mil price point. In so doing he engaged in the pricing discussion and thus opened it up for the debate. I would be happy to discuss this over at the market discussion forum and then we could simply link to it here so people would know what they are getting.
EDIT> It would seem B0xor and Jennifer are the two trolls here, as they have no interest in the bidding and are instead engaged posts which serve no useful purpose. I am still curious as to whether this is a final bid price and as to a reserve.
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Mr Tang
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:56:00 -
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How much for the ape?
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Lipix
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: b0xor
Originally by: Shadarle While he is correct that at current prices you can make nearly 90B a year (Which is ABSOLUTELY RETARDED and is a perfect example of why there should never have been a T2 BPO of this item) there is no way it will stay that way. Because of the absurd output of these BPO's the price will continue to drop and drop and drop until this BPO is nearly worthless.
This BPO was screwed up badly. There is absolutely no reason it should have such a quick build time. Half as many per day would be too many. But yeah, it's a very very valuable BPO currently and the only reason anyone would sell it is because they know how cheap Expander II's will be in a few more months.
Suck my balls
QFT
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.21 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 18/04/2007 17:55:01 I havn't bought it yet, but I am considering it as I have said in a previous post. If I had no interest in it I wouldn't be posting. But I am not yet ready to place a bid and in the questioning of the price (which someone else did before me) it was a way to determine the resolve of the seller to see if the price may drop.
But the seller does not have open reign to make up false statements such as the 3.5 mil price point. In so doing he engaged in the pricing discussion and thus opened it up for the debate. I would be happy to discuss this over at the market discussion forum and then we could simply link to it here so people would know what they are getting.
EDIT> It would seem B0xor and Jennifer are the two trolls here, as they have no interest in the bidding and are instead engaged posts which serve no useful purpose. I am still curious as to whether this is a final bid price and as to a reserve.
If someone wants it so badly for 90 bill isk... why not?
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Jennifer Meek
Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies
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Posted - 2007.04.21 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Effei Gloom
Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 18/04/2007 17:55:01 I havn't bought it yet, but I am considering it as I have said in a previous post. If I had no interest in it I wouldn't be posting. But I am not yet ready to place a bid and in the questioning of the price (which someone else did before me) it was a way to determine the resolve of the seller to see if the price may drop.
But the seller does not have open reign to make up false statements such as the 3.5 mil price point. In so doing he engaged in the pricing discussion and thus opened it up for the debate. I would be happy to discuss this over at the market discussion forum and then we could simply link to it here so people would know what they are getting.
EDIT> It would seem B0xor and Jennifer are the two trolls here, as they have no interest in the bidding and are instead engaged posts which serve no useful purpose. I am still curious as to whether this is a final bid price and as to a reserve.
If someone wants it so badly for 90 bill isk... why not?
I'm starting to suspect that nobody wants it for 90B ISK
Not even with my infinite wallet. I'm rich, but not stupid. ---
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djalmha
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Posted - 2007.04.21 12:06:00 -
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Offer 1.8 b
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:39:00 -
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I would advise extreme caution if you plan to deal with Imodesky Kafelnikov. "She" ordered a pair of researched cruiser BPOs from my corp, requesting additional research time. However, once the BPOs were ready, she did not claim the contract. A week later, the contract has now expired, even though I reminded her of it a couple of days into the contract.
If someone really has a good T2 BPO, they should be able to raise 150 million isk in a week, no?
Buyer beware.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.23 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Meek
Originally by: Effei Gloom
Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 18/04/2007 17:55:01 I havn't bought it yet, but I am considering it as I have said in a previous post. If I had no interest in it I wouldn't be posting. But I am not yet ready to place a bid and in the questioning of the price (which someone else did before me) it was a way to determine the resolve of the seller to see if the price may drop.
But the seller does not have open reign to make up false statements such as the 3.5 mil price point. In so doing he engaged in the pricing discussion and thus opened it up for the debate. I would be happy to discuss this over at the market discussion forum and then we could simply link to it here so people would know what they are getting.
EDIT> It would seem B0xor and Jennifer are the two trolls here, as they have no interest in the bidding and are instead engaged posts which serve no useful purpose. I am still curious as to whether this is a final bid price and as to a reserve.
If someone wants it so badly for 90 bill isk... why not?
I'm starting to suspect that nobody wants it for 90B ISK
Not even with my infinite wallet. I'm rich, but not stupid.
Exactly why I initially questioned things. This price seemed absurd. You can claim anything you want... if no one is willing to bid on the thing then it's clear that the price is too high. 90 Billion would take 2-3 or maybe more years to pay back based on the way prices are going, assuming T2 BPO's are still even in the game in 3 years. That's a very long time.
50 Billion... it seems high to me. I was thinking about it, doing lots of calculations and I decided it wasn't worth it as an investment. If someone else feels it is worth it then thats their choice and they should bid. It then brings it back to the question I asked if the price is firm or if it could go lower. And it also brings up the fact that the seller now appears to not have a perfect rep.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov Prices have been projected to stabalize at around 3.5m a pop for several reasons.
What would those be?
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Edward Burgess
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Posted - 2007.04.23 22:33:00 -
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I worked with a guy who owns such bpo, and bought lots of expanders from him. This bpo is really perfect moneymaker.
But... starting from a month ago (after last revelations patch), prices started dropping seriously.
As I have noticed, there came several serious players on that market. I can assume that they got access to cheap bpcs via inventions process, and they flooded at least Jita market with cheap expanders.
I do not believe that price will stop at 3.5mil per item. Price will stop when it will reach production cost + invention cost + 10-20%. Production cost is very low, everything depends on average invention cost.
A good point of price drop is that volumes growed seriously. If a month ago average jita volume was about 400 items daily, now it is more then 1K.
But, tbh, this bpo is not worth these 90bil isk now. A month or 2 ago it was, but not now.
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