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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2007.04.19 12:13:00 -
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I am just about reaching the point in my training program where I plan to fit in leaning HAC, however I am undecided as to which to fly. Early in my career I trained a few different races ships out of curiousity so am in a position where I can choose from several HACs to finish off with.
At the moment I have Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar cruiser at level 4, Assualt ships at 3. I can fit a decent tech 2 armour tank and plan to improve skills in this. My gunnery skills let me use Tech 2 medium ACs and by the end of the week T2 medium pulses. Drone skills are slightly worse than gunnery but I can use most t2 mediums and t1 heavies with some support skills for them (I also plan on improving these later this summer as I am headed for a carrier long term).
Looking at the available HACS I see my choices as Zealot, Sacriliege, Ishtar and Vagabond. I rule out the Sacriliege on pure looks - I am a bit fussy about the ships I fly and the Sacriliege/Maller are just too stupid looking. Vagabond is tempting but I think it would be too fragile for my playstyle. So main choices are Ishtar or Zealot. Alternatively I could add about 2-3 weeks to my skill plan to get medium t2 blasters and try a Deimos but don't have much recent experience with blasters.
So what do people suggest ? I currently love my AC/Nos Hurricane and Pulse Harbinger, but used to have great fun in a Vexor early in my career.
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PMolkenthin
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.19 12:27:00 -
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Well, with these new Battlecruisers, heavy assault cruisers are not that appealing anymore. As a Gallente specialist I love the Ishtar, but the Myrmidon seems to be just as good (better in some areas) and much cheaper too. Anyway, my advice to your question would be... Get an Ishtar. With rigs, and faction gear it makes a nice (if expensive) toy for griefing people solo. ______________
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 16:59:00 -
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ill cooberate the above post and say, stick to T1 BC for now, and keep working up towards Command ships. These are amazingly good yet require a bit more training. Well worth it though. ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar. |
Almarez
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler I am just about reaching the point in my training program where I plan to fit in leaning HAC, however I am undecided as to which to fly. Early in my career I trained a few different races ships out of curiousity so am in a position where I can choose from several HACs to finish off with.
At the moment I have Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar cruiser at level 4, Assualt ships at 3. I can fit a decent tech 2 armour tank and plan to improve skills in this. My gunnery skills let me use Tech 2 medium ACs and by the end of the week T2 medium pulses. Drone skills are slightly worse than gunnery but I can use most t2 mediums and t1 heavies with some support skills for them (I also plan on improving these later this summer as I am headed for a carrier long term).
Looking at the available HACS I see my choices as Zealot, Sacriliege, Ishtar and Vagabond. I rule out the Sacriliege on pure looks - I am a bit fussy about the ships I fly and the Sacriliege/Maller are just too stupid looking. Vagabond is tempting but I think it would be too fragile for my playstyle. So main choices are Ishtar or Zealot. Alternatively I could add about 2-3 weeks to my skill plan to get medium t2 blasters and try a Deimos but don't have much recent experience with blasters.
So what do people suggest ? I currently love my AC/Nos Hurricane and Pulse Harbinger, but used to have great fun in a Vexor early in my career.
The Zealot is a good ship, but the Ishtar gives a little more flexibility I think.
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Xori Ruscuv
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:12:00 -
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The Vagabond is the hac that really brings something new to the table that a battlecruiser can not.
IMO, it is the best hac, and the only ship (bigger than a frigate anyway) in the game that provides true soloability.
I had to nerf my sig... is it ok now Hutch? :( |
Ryysa
North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 17:22:00 -
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Vagabond, most other hacs are pointless.
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Vaine Amarr
Amarr Upright Citizens Brigade
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Vagabond, most other hacs are pointless.
lol...
I'd go for a Zealot or muninn mate.. __________________________ It's great beeing Amarr, ain't it?
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/04/2007 20:04:23 Cerberus is ftw at only 110million isk and its only going to get cheaper. You really need mates to pvp in it though.
edit: Also the Drake is almost as good but theres a noticeable agility penalty.
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korrey
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/04/2007 20:04:23 Cerberus is ftw at only 110million isk and its only going to get cheaper. You really need mates to pvp in it though.
edit: Also the Drake is almost as good but theres a noticeable agility penalty.
In amarr Zealots have been down to 115mil, 5mil more for double the looks and better pvp performance. ----------- 24.01.06 Small patch that addresses some minor balancing issues 1) All minmatar pilots have been deleted |
Durethia
Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:30:00 -
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The Deimos: and forever be at the very top of all kill mails! But make sure you have good Gunnery, and Engineering skills.
Fit a PG and Cap Recharge rig, and go from there.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Durethia
The Deimos: and forever be at the very top of all kill mails! But make sure you have good Gunnery, and Engineering skills.
Fit a PG and Cap Recharge rig, and go from there.
LOL,
deimos = 120 mil pgrig = 40 mil caprechargerig = 15-20 mil
Being a capdeath, slowass, overrated, outperformed hac useless in everything it does...priceless _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Quillan Rage
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.20 11:36:00 -
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Loving the Zealot...
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/04/2007 11:56:15 Zealots usually get smashed by missile ships though...
You ever tried taking on a half decent Drake/Cerberus pilot in a Zealot? It generally doesn't work if they're hardening EM.
Other than that they're very nice and I hope to fly one at some point :E
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Dark Flare
Caldari Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Durethia
The Deimos: and forever be at the very top of all kill mails! But make sure you have good Gunnery, and Engineering skills.
Fit a PG and Cap Recharge rig, and go from there.
I killed a Deimos in a Stabber. Ergo, the Vagabond is the best HAC, because its hull ship can take down HACs Dark Flare - Corpus PCG |
welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:13:00 -
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Lol, you could take out a Diemos in an inty pre hit point increase though. :P
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Brackun
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Brackun on 20/04/2007 12:21:21
Originally by: Durethia
The Deimos: and forever be at the very top of all kill mails! But make sure you have good Gunnery, and Engineering skills.
Fit a PG and Cap Recharge rig, and go from there.
Last night a Deimos pilot got on top of my Cerberus, had me webbed and it's T2 medium drones on me - it was using Medium Neutron II's, and I popped it... 1v1
And to be honest I thought I was going to get stomped on but it got me to about 34% shields, I wonder what happened :o _________ Don't use the word "toon" to refer to your character, people find this irritating and it may label you a retard. |
Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2007.04.20 12:52:00 -
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My choice is really limited to Zealot, Ishtar, Deimos, Munnin or Vagabond. As I said from what I hear the Vagabond does not suit my play style and frankly my reactions, which were never greased lightning, have slowed in recent years. Constant, precise, flying is not my long suit. What I need is ship with a good tank and decent firepower, more of a blunt instrument than the vagabond seems to be.
Munnin looks more of an artillery boat than AC and I would need serious training to get decent t2 artilley skills (anyway it and the Rupture look a bit funny to me and I value the appearance of my ship.) Similarly my missile skills are mediocre so Cerberus is out.
So if the choice is Zealot, Deimos or Ishtar which will best suit the "blunt instrument" approach ?
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Lou Margoulin
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:05:00 -
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Reading you, i'm thinking a zealot (amarr in general) will suit you the best.
bet on the fact they will get "rebalanced" soon.
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Ryysa
North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.20 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vaine Amarr
Originally by: Ryysa Vagabond, most other hacs are pointless.
lol...
I'd go for a Zealot or muninn mate..
For 120km enemy frig sniping sure.
For anything else, zealot and muninn are pointless since you can use harbinger or cane instead.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.20 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Vaine Amarr
Originally by: Ryysa Vagabond, most other hacs are pointless.
lol...
I'd go for a Zealot or muninn mate..
For 120km enemy frig sniping sure.
For anything else, zealot and muninn are pointless since you can use harbinger or cane instead.
While Zealots have some use's close range, I have to agree. I dumped my close range zealot setup in favor for a Harbringer, and use my zealot for Machine gun ROF for sniping people 100km+ away. --
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Taguchi Hiroko
Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Taguchi Hiroko on 05/07/2007 22:38:35 I can fly both Ishtar and Deimos all t2 fit. I fly the Deimos most of the time, it is a nice fleet ship- a brawler and great for gate camps. But I don't think it's that good outside of that context.
advantage of a Deimos: high dps, almost as good as a bs. relatively fast if you have to get away, but I wouldn't count on it 100%.
bad things: 3 mid slots. Means you either fit a scram, injector, mwd, or scram, web, and mwd. Usually I go for the former in fleet ops, because the intys web my targets while I deal the pain. I don't ever bother with any primaries smaller than a bc, if there is no webber.
All in all, Deimos is definitely not a solo ship. Ishtar on the other hand, is flexible. You can fit some EW even, if you are good at it, which also makes it a great fleet HAC. Thing about training up for drone tho, you are stuck with Gallente.
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Samurai Ninja
Major Affective Disorder
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Posted - 2007.07.05 22:59:00 -
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just got Cerb and Eagle... have better missile skills than gunnery, so would u suggest the Cerb???
Samurai
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Darth Kenzie
Amarr Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:06:00 -
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Zealot is simple to fly... either go max dps or max tank, web scram start shooting and see if you die before they do don't even have to worry about recalling drones. ------- Even my barge has kills... |
n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Samurai Ninja just got Cerb and Eagle... have better missile skills than gunnery, so would u suggest the Cerb???
Samurai
Eagle is very specialized ship. You wont find it usefull anywhere less then 60-70km off your target. ---
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Sedai Hara
Caldari The Forsakened Companions Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:12:00 -
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Solo: Vagabond (if you want to use medium ACs and speed, so specc in that) Ishtar (if you got drone skills, possibly EW skills, good armor tanking skills or even speed-tanking, it can do it all)
Gang/fleet: simply the rest :P all good on different areas, muninn for altilery alpha and tanking amarr DDDs, deimos for close-range DPS-god, zealoth for ??? sniping?? and general support? eagle for sniper and cerb for missile spamming. och an sac for that tanking + being all shiny blue factor.
It all comes down to what you self want to specialize in, as each is good on its own thing. + the CS factor is good, witch one you might want to get in future as they are great ships. -----------------------------
Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.05 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Brackun Edited by: Brackun on 20/04/2007 12:21:21
Originally by: Durethia
The Deimos: and forever be at the very top of all kill mails! But make sure you have good Gunnery, and Engineering skills.
Fit a PG and Cap Recharge rig, and go from there.
Last night a Deimos pilot got on top of my Cerberus, had me webbed and it's T2 medium drones on me - it was using Medium Neutron II's, and I popped it... 1v1
And to be honest I thought I was going to get stomped on but it got me to about 34% shields, I wonder what happened :o
The poor sod ran out of cap most likely, happens a lot to newish deimos pilots most of them forget that they really really need a cap booster.
To the OP: I love cerbs for roaming gangs, nice damage + good HP + nice mid slots for EW /tank. Solo work either Ishtar or Vagabond, tbh i dont like the vaga¦s but thats just a matter of style.
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.07.06 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing
Eagle is very specialized ship. You wont find it usefull anywhere less then 60-70km off your target.
*Cough* Beagle *Cough*
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Lore Isander
Caldari Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.06 02:35:00 -
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NanoZealot is good alternative for Vagabond if you dont wanna cross-train (but you have done it already so).
Currently flying NanoZealot myself atm. Can permarun my MWD with guns etc, orbit 23km, pewpew. Can hit with Scorch and MWD on.
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Rudy Metallo
Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.06 04:50:00 -
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My advice to you is start getting used to a stabber.
Otherwise get a zealot. Say what? |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.06 14:11:00 -
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If you dont want fragile go ishtar,because the zealot is really on the side of dps and slight tank rather then pure tank...But the ishtar has higher tank and more versatility,but lacks as much dps as the zealot.
In short,medium size gang+-zealot,ishtar is for solo and small gangs where nos actually helps. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
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