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DrunkenDuncan
DrunkenDuncan's Mudgee Rummy Pirate
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Posted - 2011.12.27 00:17:00 -
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Recently a new player I was teaching to play the game fell victim to the margin trading scam. This has somewhat dampened his enthusiasm for the game and as he was trading to save up for plex, even if he does want to keep playing he might not be able to. Now I realise this is not considered an exploit by ccp who seem happy to see off potential customers in this fashion, so there is nothing to be done through petitions. I thought however that it might be entertaining to approach the problem in-character within the eve world.
The eve market has a broker trading system, administered by the secure commerce commission. This is to ensure fair trading and I always recommend new players to exclusively use the market for trading because of this.
Given the nature of this particular scam, I feel that the SCC is at fault for any losses incurred. Specifically under false advertising statutes. The SCC, on behalf of a capsuleer, is offering to pay x isk, for x units of some commodity/item. The SCC in these cases never has any intention of buying these items at this price. They have access to the capsuleer's wallet and can check any time whether the player can afford the items. Capsuleers are told to use common sense to avoid this type of scam, but calling an intimate knowledge of the high level trade skill mechanics 'common sense' for a new player is a stretch. In addition the same argument could be used to say that the SCC could be using their common sense. They actually have access not only to the persons current wallet amount, but also their history of prior activity and it should be a simple matter for them to use their common sense in rejecting this kind of false buy order. I have been playing the game for years and never used margin trading, so I didn't know about the mechanic myself, or I could have warned my students.
I wanted to post a message to the SCC to invite them to out of court negotiations pending my lawsuit, but I can find no way of contacting them. I thought perhaps as a constituent the CSM might be able to offer representation or at least put me in contact with the SCC. I think it would be unwise of the SCC to ignore this as a ruling in my favour could open the floodgates to thousands of similar lawsuits and cost the organisation trillions.
The point of broker trading is that the broker guarantees the transaction, we pay significant costs for this service, and on previous occasions where I have made mistakes in terms of typing in too many or too few zeros, or similar issues, the SCC has always been happy enough to take my money, even on occasions where I have immediately rectified the situation. In cases like this where the SCC made the mistake of offering to buy a commodity they never intended to pay for, they should take the hit themselves, and sort it out with the offending trader any way they can. Trust is crucial to the SCC's operations and this is a major breach. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.27 01:10:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:Recently a new player I was teaching to play the game fell victim to the margin trading scam.
Welcome to EVE Online....dont like it...get out.
Lawsuit...seriously? real mature of you.
Emorage much? |
DrunkenDuncan
DrunkenDuncan's Mudgee Rummy Pirate
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Posted - 2011.12.27 01:17:00 -
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I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem. |
Levo Harkonnen
Salty Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2011.12.27 01:22:00 -
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TL;DR of what OP is saying: Let's make things easy for players who don't pay attention to what they're doing and let's reward them for being stupid.
Eve shouldn't be puppies and roses, if your friend can't face his own stupid mistake, maybe this game isn't meant for him. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.12.27 01:27:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:Specifically under false advertising statutes.
Sorry, those laws were taken off the books a long time ago. |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:44:00 -
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If its too good to be true it is
Its your fault your a greedy idiot who dosnt think
HTFU |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.27 22:32:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem.
This isn't the role playing forum board....this is assembly hall.
We're not interesting in flights of fancy or excuses being made or demands being made for someone who got scammed when all they had to do was
1: Stop 2: Think (yeah i know real hard to do) 3: READ 4: ????? 5: PROFIT!!
This game requires common sense....requires paying attention to details....if you can't learn....your in the wrong game. |
De'Veldrin
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:20:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:Recently a new player I was teaching to play the game fell victim to the margin trading scam.
All I learned from this was that you're a ****** teacher. Can we move on now? Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
DrunkenDuncan
DrunkenDuncan's Mudgee Rummy Pirate
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:36:00 -
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Wow a lot of hostility. I am sorry I brought it up. Perhaps a bit of psychiatry might solve some of the issues you guys have with life, but I guess we might as well forget this thread for the moment.
I am curious as to why this makes everyone so angry though. Perhaps I will ask in game. It seems to me that enjoyment is gained from fanatically raving that I am inferior. I can only assume this is either because people delight in hurting the feelings of others, in which case I apologise for disappointing you, or there is some compensation going on, in which case you have my sympathy. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:17:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:Wow a lot of hostility. I am sorry I brought it up. Perhaps a bit of psychiatry might solve some of the issues you guys have with life, but I guess we might as well forget this thread for the moment.
I am curious as to why this makes everyone so angry though. Perhaps I will ask in game. It seems to me that enjoyment is gained from fanatically raving that I am inferior. I can only assume this is either because people delight in hurting the feelings of others, in which case I apologise for disappointing you, or there is some compensation going on, in which case you have my sympathy.
The only thing we're angry about is your aragoance in thinking you have any right to make such an demand....
EVE Online is a game that entices the darker side of life....scams are leagal...lying..betrayal...traitors...theives...beggars...gerifing (to an extent..and thats a wide berth) are all legitimate forms of game play.
People constantly ignore this...they complain..they whine...and it gets old after about the 10,000th time.
Yoru boldness and epic emorant means you knew this...and you ignored this fact. Hence...our likelyness to "shoot to kill". |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.12.29 11:57:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:DrunkenDuncan wrote:Wow a lot of hostility. I am sorry I brought it up. Perhaps a bit of psychiatry might solve some of the issues you guys have with life, but I guess we might as well forget this thread for the moment.
I am curious as to why this makes everyone so angry though. Perhaps I will ask in game. It seems to me that enjoyment is gained from fanatically raving that I am inferior. I can only assume this is either because people delight in hurting the feelings of others, in which case I apologise for disappointing you, or there is some compensation going on, in which case you have my sympathy. The only thing we're angry about is your aragoance in thinking you have any right to make such an demand....
lol
He has exactly as much as right as you or I to make this or any other demand. The arrogance seems to be emanating from you, in trying to stifle this man's proposal, even if it is a semi-amusing and whimsical one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:26:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:DrunkenDuncan wrote:Wow a lot of hostility. I am sorry I brought it up. Perhaps a bit of psychiatry might solve some of the issues you guys have with life, but I guess we might as well forget this thread for the moment.
I am curious as to why this makes everyone so angry though. Perhaps I will ask in game. It seems to me that enjoyment is gained from fanatically raving that I am inferior. I can only assume this is either because people delight in hurting the feelings of others, in which case I apologise for disappointing you, or there is some compensation going on, in which case you have my sympathy. The only thing we're angry about is your aragoance in thinking you have any right to make such an demand.... lol He has exactly as much as right as you or I to make this or any other demand. The arrogance seems to be emanating from you, in trying to stifle this man's proposal, even if it is a semi-amusing and whimsical one.
Ok....then I suggest you give us a logical reason for eliminating scamming from this game...or kindly get the hell out before you embarrass yourself. This is eve online...not hello kitty online...don't like it bumble? WOW is that way |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:09:00 -
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Levo Harkonnen wrote:TL;DR of what OP is saying: Let's make things easy for players who don't pay attention to what they're doing and let's reward them for being stupid.
Eve shouldn't be puppies and roses, if your friend can't face his own stupid mistake, maybe this game isn't meant for him.
I don't mind scamming as long as there is some way to detect if there is a scam or not. The marginal trade scam is completely undetectable. You can say it is all you want, but you are flat out lying. There is absolutely no way to know if the order will go through or not until you have tried to fill it.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:08:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Levo Harkonnen wrote:TL;DR of what OP is saying: Let's make things easy for players who don't pay attention to what they're doing and let's reward them for being stupid.
Eve shouldn't be puppies and roses, if your friend can't face his own stupid mistake, maybe this game isn't meant for him. I don't mind scamming as long as there is some way to detect if there is a scam or not. The marginal trade scam is completely undetectable. You can say it is all you want, but you are flat out lying. There is absolutely no way to know if the order will go through or not until you have tried to fill it.
n units that are being bought for far more than regional average, with a minimum order of x units (where x = n). Pretty easily detectable. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:20:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Levo Harkonnen wrote:TL;DR of what OP is saying: Let's make things easy for players who don't pay attention to what they're doing and let's reward them for being stupid.
Eve shouldn't be puppies and roses, if your friend can't face his own stupid mistake, maybe this game isn't meant for him. I don't mind scamming as long as there is some way to detect if there is a scam or not. The marginal trade scam is completely undetectable. You can say it is all you want, but you are flat out lying. There is absolutely no way to know if the order will go through or not until you have tried to fill it. n units that are being bought for far more than regional average, with a minimum order of x units (where x = n). Pretty easily detectable.
I was gonna say....any scam in EVE can be detected if you pay attention to whats going on around you.
This particular scam obviously entails a savy marketeer and only happens to people who are quick to buy low sell high without paying attention to details.
Note the underlined part....that is the problem...and that is the buy/sllers responcibility.
If it was that big of a deal...it would happen more often than not...and I dont see this kind of tearful whine thread anymore than maybe 3 to 4 times a month...or less. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:01:00 -
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Really, the margin trading scam should never work. Check the local prices (buy orders and sell orders), and check price history. This is market 101.
Its like the Charon/Carbon scam. Should never work, but sometimes it does. |
Orisa Medeem
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:14:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:(...) In cases like this where the SCC made the mistake of offering to buy a commodity they never intended to pay for, they should take the hit themselves, and sort it out with the offending trader any way they can. (...)
Nice. Scammers heaven: infinite isk.
:sand: -áover -á:awesome: |
Idrillean Weitz
Sprintfox Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2012.01.05 00:06:00 -
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@OP: I noticed you like RP. And I can understand, that you try to combine and appoint a real happening with RP speech. One fatal fault of your side was, to do that without advertising either that it is a (full) RP given text or that you are mashing up OOC and IC without advertising it.
To resume it. Don't talk about players, when you mean capsuleers. And if you want, that people don't get confused, just add "ICRE" - means: In Character Real Event.
Getting back on topic: If you were teaching a new player, it was also your responsibility to teach him how to aware scams. You didn't - but that's at least not your fault. It's his. He took the decision of doing a transaction / service. And now he's afraid of it? Well, that's life.
Best Regards.
P.S.: Sorry if my english sucks. If someone wants to help me improve it - I'll be pleased. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
634
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:29:00 -
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Margin trading should be removed. Don't got the cash? Don't trade. There are too much 0.01 isking going on. We should weed out the bums who do nothing but stay docked all day updating far more orders than they can afford. |
Kulmid
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
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Posted - 2012.01.05 16:52:00 -
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DrunkenDuncan wrote:I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem.
Guess you don't understand EVE.
You and your friend should move to providence so you can roleplay with others instead of posting. |
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Paintchk
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:18:00 -
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BO-HO You loser. If you fell for a scam its your fault. That is something people do in this game to make money and if you loss you isk or whatever you lost its on your head. If you lost a mill stop complaining and go run a Incursion. I lost all my isk once and had to hammer missions daily to get back to the top. This was way before Incursions. I didn't quit I bit the bullet and got my isk back. Now I'm doing great. Plus a LAW SUIT!?! Your a huge loser. Now stop whining and go make some isk. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:17:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote: He has exactly as much as right as you or I to make this or any other demand. The arrogance seems to be emanating from you, in trying to stifle this man's proposal, even if it is a semi-amusing and whimsical one.
Ok....then I suggest you give us a logical reason for eliminating scamming from this game...or kindly get the hell out before you embarrass yourself. This is eve online...not hello kitty online...don't like it bumble? WOW is that way [/quote]
Why the hell should I? You might notice that I'm not advocating the removal of scamming in this game, rather I'm defending this chap's right to make a (somewhat confused IC and OOC) proposal.
Additionally, by deploying the lame '[game name here] is this way' meme, you again show your true colours: namely, a lacklustre regurgitator of tired and hackneyed one-liners.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:55:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Drake Draconis wrote: He has exactly as much as right as you or I to make this or any other demand. The arrogance seems to be emanating from you, in trying to stifle this man's proposal, even if it is a semi-amusing and whimsical one.
Ok....then I suggest you give us a logical reason for eliminating scamming from this game...or kindly get the hell out before you embarrass yourself. This is eve online...not hello kitty online...don't like it bumble? WOW is that way
Why the hell should I? You might notice that I'm not advocating the removal of scamming in this game, rather I'm defending this chap's right to make a (somewhat confused IC and OOC) proposal.
Additionally, by deploying the lame '[game name here] is this way' meme, you again show your true colours: namely, a lacklustre regurgitator of tired and hackneyed one-liners.[/quote]
Dont go around making suggestions or ideas without having a logical argument of your own.
You defend someone who wants scamming eliminated...we expect you to have a sound reason for not having scamming.
Otherwise tis obvious your just a pathetic troll looking for a fight.
As you "Bumble####" your way around the forums...try engaging brain first before posting. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:18:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:DrunkenDuncan wrote:I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem. This isn't the role playing forum board....this is assembly hall. We're not interesting in flights of fancy or excuses being made or demands being made for someone who got scammed when all they had to do was 1: Stop 2: Think (yeah i know real hard to do) 3: READ 4: ????? 5: PROFIT!! This game requires common sense....requires paying attention to details....if you can't learn....your in the wrong game.
Enough with the tired "Underpants Gnomes" episode reference from South Park.
That was so fourteen years ago. Let it go. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
225
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:56:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:DrunkenDuncan wrote:I guess you didn't read/understand the whole post. I have no problem with that but you shouldn't post if you don't read. Specifically the words 'in character' and 'entertaining'. Did you think that I thought the SCC was a real life corporation I could sue? I am merely exploring the limits of the in game roleplay sytem. This isn't the role playing forum board....this is assembly hall. We're not interesting in flights of fancy or excuses being made or demands being made for someone who got scammed when all they had to do was 1: Stop 2: Think (yeah i know real hard to do) 3: READ 4: ????? 5: PROFIT!! This game requires common sense....requires paying attention to details....if you can't learn....your in the wrong game. Enough with the tired "Underpants Gnomes" episode reference from South Park. That was so fourteen years ago. Let it go.
Please stop trolling....your a grown man for lords sake. |
Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
325
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:28:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote: Enough with the tired "Underpants Gnomes" episode reference from South Park.
That was so fourteen years ago. Let it go.
Never.
The Underpants Gnomes are the ones who run CCP, after all. We have to let them know we are on to them o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:32:00 -
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can somebody move this to "out of pod experience"? a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:33:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:can somebody move this to "out of pod experience"? I thought EVE Fiction would be a better choice? He went the RP route, after all. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
225
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:36:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Bienator II wrote:can somebody move this to "out of pod experience"? I thought EVE Fiction would be a better choice? He went the RP route, after all.
I belieave thats "intergalatic summit" your referring to. :) |
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