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BSchneider
Bank Of Zion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:01:00 -
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My suggestion of adding a new gameplay mode to Eve Online - Hardcore Mode:
Basically I suggest that there would be added a separate universe (server) much like Tranquillity but with some major differences:
- If a capsule gets destroyed = the character dies permanently.
- No jump clones
- No medical clones
- Eject from spaceships allowed
- Self destroy allowed - but would result in capsule getting destroyed
This has been implemented in many other games and I for one loved to play this game mode in other games like Diablo. I do believe this would add even more paranoia to the game GÇô but maybe also tons of collaboration, support and teamwork.
Feel free to add your ideas to this game mode.
I am unaware if this has already been suggested and discussed thoroughly. |
renwahh
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:14:16 -
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DOOM is that way ------->
Close the door behind you.
It would actually be easier for CCP to let us have the red button on the hangar door so we can go to the war targets quarters and kick em in the nuts HARD! |
Lister
Galactic Shipyards Inc
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:15:54 -
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BSchneider wrote:My suggestion of adding a new gameplay mode to Eve Online - Hardcore Mode: Basically I suggest that there would be added a separate universe (server) much like Tranquillity but with some major differences:
- If a capsule gets destroyed = the character dies permanently.
- No jump clones
- No medical clones
- Eject from spaceships allowed
- Self destroy allowed - but would result in capsule getting destroyed
This has been implemented in many other games and I for one loved to play this game mode in other games like Diablo. I do believe this would add even more paranoia to the game GÇô but maybe also tons of collaboration, support and teamwork. Feel free to add your ideas to this game mode. I am unaware if this has already been suggested and discussed thoroughly.
Could you just not upgrade your clone? (or did the game change a lot since I last played and now you don't loose SP if your clone is inadequet). That would be pretty hardcore.
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BSchneider
Bank Of Zion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:18:01 -
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Great suggestion Lister. Less hardcore but would still added (again) the higher risk of loss. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:35:14 -
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This would be a ferociously boring way to play EVE. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2017.02.01 13:47:11 -
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Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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BSchneider
Bank Of Zion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2017.02.01 14:00:51 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:This would be a ferociously boring way to play EVE.
Why? Because you would choose to be docked in station due to paranoia? |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2017.02.01 14:11:34 -
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I'm kind of against all these divisive character types. I recommend we go back to the simpler days of just 'characters'. Everyone can just buy a subscription if they want to play the game. For those than can't bear to play Eve unless it's free - extend the free trial out to 2 or even 3 months and be done with it.
This alpha clone experiment is just creating problems. Free players are feeling like they deserve a voice (recommend alpha forum rights to be read only if alphas persist) and now 'hardcore mode'. This is all just noise distracting from the real game.
Delete the alpha clone experiment. Extend the free trial to 2 or 3 months.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.01 14:32:36 -
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I'm not sure extending the free trial to a few months will change anything. With a bit of work and a 2-3 month subscription you could easily earn enough to PLEX your account every month. The Alphas I've spoken with all seem to be claiming poverty for the most part so it certainly seems like they don't value the cost of a subscription for the amount of limited casual play.
The reality is that a paid Omega subscription really doesn't offer a lot over an Alpha. Sure, you have 2x skill training and access to more ships and skills - but that's about it (ok, you can change your HUD color). There's no "premium" content to speak of, and even the advanced stuff you'll eventually have access to is very skill-dependent.
There are other games that have a very successful F2P model, but they all offer premium vehicles that are fully-trained that you can jump right into. If CCP started offering "lite" versions of some of their battlecruisers and battleships (somewhere between a T1 and T2), you'd probably see a lot of Alphas dropping $5-10 on Aurum on a regular basis. F2P models work not just on subscriptions but on paid content, and there is basically none of the latter. I'm not necessarily suggesting that CCP needs to go this route, but it's worth considering why their F2P model has stalled.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.01 15:09:27 -
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No to a hardcore mode because reasons.
1. We cannot die, that is a fundamental aspect of EvE, we are forever and simply move to another clone if/when the one we are in is destroyed by an exploding pod.
2. EvE is a game where everyone and everything is all mangled up in a single gaming environment. To add a separate hard core universe changes that fundamental aspect of EvE and that would not be good.
3. Devs do not have the time and CCP does not need to spend the money to set up this alternate universe, they have far to much work left to do in the one we already have.
I do have a suggestion for you and it will test your willingness to have a hardcore mode in EvE to the absolute limits. The next time you have a pod exploded, exit game and delete the character immediately. No you cannot pass go on the way and transfer all of that characters belongings and ISK to another character first. Pod explodes delete character and everything they have immediately. Try this for 6 months or so and then come back and tell us if you think a hardcore mode is still a good thing. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3673
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Posted - 2017.02.01 15:43:27 -
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ever since CCP rise brought this up I have wanted it so bad
you don't even need to give them anything unique and i guarantee plenty of us will make a toon like this. A lot of us miss the days when pvp gave us the shakes. coming close to losing 3 months of progress i think could bring them back for some of us
but it needs to all stay on the same server
BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3673
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Posted - 2017.02.01 15:45:45 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: and now 'hardcore mode'.
this was first brought up by ccp rise.... nothing to do with alphas though ops idea for it **** i will agree
BLOPS Hauler
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.01 15:46:07 -
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The problem with this is time. Or rather skill progression is based on time in EVE, not experience. In a game like Diablo, yes it You sir in hardcore you start over. However, party with a few high levels, stay back, ping 1 or two enemies with a spell or range weapon and there you go, you are now level 20+ and can grind back up.
In eve, it takes what.... 2 weeks to train frigate to 5. Add in the time it takes for all other skills and well... It is a time sink. Now think of a maurauder that takes BS to 5.
What your suggestion ammounts to is that if I die, I must wait months or even years to get back to doing what I enjoy. Why would I want that? Especially why would I want that in a game where my pod can be destroyed by any one. Just doesn't seem like fun to me.
I honestly don't think this would work as EVE's skill progression is based on time not enemies killed which is the case of other hardcore games. |
Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.01 16:22:24 -
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CCP has an active incentive not to split their playerbase. The main appeal of Eve is the scale and scope, other games that implement "Hardcore servers" or a "Hardcore Mode" don't have anything like this, and those modes and servers are almost always less popular than the "normal" game anyways.
This would just be a massive waste of time and resources for CCP and actively detrimental to the player community. If you want to play with perma-death then you can biomass your own character yourself when your pod goes pop. |
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
367
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Posted - 2017.02.01 16:33:46 -
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You can already do this. Just train a character and delete it once you get podded.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.02.01 17:29:44 -
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
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Posted - 2017.02.01 22:10:40 -
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Just think how bad the names of characters would get if you had to choose a new name every time you died?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Vanessa Celtis
Vanessa Atalanta
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Posted - 2017.02.01 22:50:03 -
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BSchneider wrote:My suggestion of adding a new gameplay mode to Eve Online - Hardcore Mode: Basically I suggest that there would be added a separate universe (server) much like Tranquillity but with some major differences:
- If a capsule gets destroyed = the character dies permanently.
- No jump clones
- No medical clones
- Eject from spaceships allowed
- Self destroy allowed - but would result in capsule getting destroyed
This has been implemented in many other games and I for one loved to play this game mode in other games like Diablo. I do believe this would add even more paranoia to the game GÇô but maybe also tons of collaboration, support and teamwork. Feel free to add your ideas to this game mode. I am unaware if this has already been suggested and discussed thoroughly.
Already in place ! just delete your account after being killed, done. Good suggestion dude, fortunately you are not in the Software Game business, we would still play on pong ! |
Menamanama
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.01 23:02:11 -
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Vanessa Celtis wrote:BSchneider wrote:My suggestion of adding a new gameplay mode to Eve Online - Hardcore Mode: Basically I suggest that there would be added a separate universe (server) much like Tranquillity but with some major differences:
- If a capsule gets destroyed = the character dies permanently.
- No jump clones
- No medical clones
- Eject from spaceships allowed
- Self destroy allowed - but would result in capsule getting destroyed
This has been implemented in many other games and I for one loved to play this game mode in other games like Diablo. I do believe this would add even more paranoia to the game GÇô but maybe also tons of collaboration, support and teamwork. Feel free to add your ideas to this game mode. I am unaware if this has already been suggested and discussed thoroughly. Already in place ! just delete your account after being killed the first time, done. Good suggestion dude, fortunately you are not in the Gaming Software business, we would all still play on pong ! http://www.ponggame.org/
I like the idea. It would bring a real edge to undocking. |
lord xavier
Rubbed Out PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:09:45 -
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BSchneider wrote:My suggestion of adding a new gameplay mode to Eve Online - Hardcore Mode:
Basically I suggest that there would be added a separate universe (server) much like Tranquillity but with some major differences:
[list] If a capsule gets destroyed = the character dies permanently. .
So, in a game where people are ALREADY risk adverse, you want to give them more reason? |
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46749
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:21:20 -
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Something CCP Rise has been interested in for about 4 years now.
Here's a relevant piece from his Eve Vegas talk from 2014:
https://youtu.be/ppcJ-Bt_KAY?t=1535 |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5259
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Posted - 2017.02.02 00:45:49 -
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I don't see the point. If someone would like to elaborate I'm all ears...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2017.02.02 01:30:39 -
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Perma-death is definitely an interesting concept (and bounties on hardcore chars would actually work like you want them to!). But not on a separate server.
Would be nice if there was some reward for the extra isk. Nothing sp related, but maybe powerful skill hardwiring implants. Things that can only be used whilst in space and doing stuffs
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope Gallente Federation
2090
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Posted - 2017.02.02 04:49:43 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: and now 'hardcore mode'.
this was first brought up by ccp rise.... nothing to do with alphas though ops idea for it **** i will agree Actually it was first brought up in 2003. https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/live-fast-die-young/
The things you learn by perusing old dev blogs...
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BSchneider
Bank Of Zion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2017.02.02 07:08:58 -
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Thank you for all of your inputs! |
Commander IceQ
Ascendance Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.02 10:58:20 -
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After reading the tread I suppose I am not against the idea, but not for it either. Would depend on a lot of things. Here are some.
* Same server * Can check a box in char creation to activate this. * ONLY available on Omega state. * If the mode should be visible or not, I can't decide. Maybe, so CEOs can allow or disallow these chars? * Implement a way to more practically skill up, because normal training will be terrible for this. * Name should free up after a few hours/days after podding * Should be automatically be removed from all contact lists.
TBH I think this is a pointless exercise, and CCP can rather spend their time improving the current game.
my 2c
I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:19:25 -
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BSchneider wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:This would be a ferociously boring way to play EVE. Why? Because you would choose to be docked in station due to paranoia?
Because yeah, either stick in highsec or quit the game in a couple days because you lost a pod in lowsec and that's that, no more EVE for you. Where's the fun in that? Like I get it, you want risk, but you lose pods fairly often in PvP. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3741
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:44:04 -
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You can't have training boosts for hardcore chars. They will sit in station for months training skills and undock later. Any improvements they get would have to only be of any use whilst out and about. I.e. Certain skill hardwiring implants.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
35
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Posted - 2017.02.02 14:57:26 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Free players are feeling like they deserve a voice (recommend alpha forum rights to be read only if alphas persist) Beggin' for appologies m'lady if ignoring my lowly posts is a troublesome burden for ya. Sincerely wish ya to never have a greater pain in this life or another than having to live in the same Universe with my inferior, poverty-ridden kind. Me'll do me best to steer clear o' threads where yer wise, premium opinion is expressed.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5239
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Posted - 2017.02.02 19:42:23 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:you lost a pod in lowsec .
Does this actually happen though? |
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