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Ealiom
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:02:00 -
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I can see this getting nasty if it turns out to be true and the DX10 is stable in XP. Microsoft will fight this by updating DX10 with ever increasing and pointless additions DX10a...DX10e
I seem to remember microsoft stating that this is what they have intended to do with DX10 and that the first update is due later this year. Thats all well and good. DX9c was luverly.
But im betting that they may cram in little extras to make it harder and harder for it to be ported to XP. The last thing i want for my machine is for DX10 the mediator for all my gaming joy to become a battle ground.
Time will tell, either way im not to worried, it wont be long before some industrious fellow makes VistaLite(tm that hacks and strips all the gubbins from VistaFat(tm)
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 13:19:13
Originally by: Dark Shikari Stuff about cars
Personally (and I know im not alone) I haven't given a single penny to Microsoft. I do not feel like I have a right to complain about the software that I use every day for free. I dont think I have a right to complain about the Operating systems we have today due to Microsoft's dominance of the market. In fact I think we take Microsoft for granted, they have done alot for us since home computing became a reality.
I enjoy my games, movies, tv shows, internet and myriad of software all on Microsofts OS. I do not see a fault with it. Compared to Windows98, XP is a godsend. Will Vista be the same in a few years time. Maybeez yes maybeez no. In the meantime im going to enjoy my games on whatever OS is the easiest to use, most widly available and has no compatibility problems. When another OS usurps XP from that throne, be it Vista or otherwise I will gladly jump ship.
We will all be using Microsoft products for the forseeable future, so I wont pour scorn at Microsoft. I can hardly blame them for being a big company wanting more money. There isn't another company in this world who wouldn't be the same had they been in Microsfot's position.
Instead im more inclined to look at all the other OS providers and ask them to get there fingers out. Do you want to see Microsoft stand up and take notice? Do you want OS updates to offer much more? Do you want the providers to listen to the consumers?
Then you will have to look at Microsofts competitors, they will have to become a serious threat to Microsofts dominance before any of that is likely.
_______________ p.s. Dark your sig. "Dancing to the tune of the drums of war"
Made me laugh but you should alter it more to the original Perfect Circle's i.e. "Dancing to the rythme of the war drums" less tongue twistery!
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 13:54:45 Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 13:44:45
Originally by: Patch86 I use XP for only 2 reasons: games and AutoCad.
Autocad user myself mate. Architectural Technician / modeller
Originally by: Patch86 The sole reason that Windows remains dominant is compatibility- it has not a single other thing in it's favour. And unfortunately, its the one thing that other OS's really can't fix.
Ealiom says that other OS's need to get their fingers out- the thing is, they already have. Few people would claim Windows is significantly technologically advanced above Mac, say. Mac already has closed that gap. And unfortunately, theres nothing Apple can do about the fact that AutoCad is written only in a Windows format- no amount of finger-pulling will change it.
The best any rival OS's can do is work on emulation, dual booting, and compatibility layers. And they're all doing pretty well in that direction- the fact that 90% of modern Windows games can be played in Wine is one less reason for some people to use windows.
What I mean is that the competitors will have to start marketing amongst other things. Theres no way they can just materialize in everyones homes and businesses overnight. But what they can do is make themselves more and more attractive to home and business users and indeed software developers. They will have to offer something that Microsoft hasn't etc. Its the only way you will see Microsoft's dominace wane and a healthy competition break out.
I believe recently there has been calls for Microsoft to make its OS open sourced so as to break there monopoly. Something they are obviously fighting. Someone will be able to tell me wether its been through the courts yet. This potentially would be the best solution. All OS developers would have access to a foundation that all PC users take for granted, and would be able to develop there own unique OS.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ealiom What I mean is that the competitors will have to start marketing amongst other things. Theres no way they can just materialize in everyones homes and businesses overnight. But what they can do is make themselves more and more attractive to home and business users and indeed software developers. They will have to offer something that Microsoft hasn't etc. Its the only way you will see Microsoft's dominace wane and a healthy competition break out.
You think they're not? Novell has been pushing out some parodies of the "Mac and PC" ads to add Linux (a cute chick, contrasting with the geeky Mac/PC guys). You can find them on Youtube.
lol yeah saw them and while funny - most users are watching it on a windows machine. They laugh they giggle and then load up one of there games for some fun. They dont care, or if they do its more of a distant hyprocritical [shaking fist] "Damn you Microsoft cos you so evil" double clicks game icon.
Quirky adverts aint gonna topple Microsoft. In all probability it will likely be either Microsoft themselves that topple the company, or some sort of court ruling (see above posts late edit)
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Ubuntu is much, much easier to install and use than Windows XP, by an order of magnitude.
If so why isn't anyone using it, Im not ashamed to admit that ive never heard of it.
Originally by: Dark Shikari You're one of the 1% minority. 90% of the world has computers that are slow as crap because they're zombie machines covered with spyware.
I'll back him up on that one. Ive been running my machine with only the windows firewall and no background virus checker now since getting XP. Other than running Ad-Aware, which is only good housekeeping anyway I have had no problems.
As for Microsoft constantly laughing in the face of the law. Well that can easily change when some hard ass gets the power. Fines are not going to stop microsoft that been proven already. Cost of ignoring the law = fine of $500million cost of following the law = billion in lost revenue. Hmmm i'll take the fine please. The minute they begin attacking Microsofts assets i.e. trade restrictions. You will see Microsoft get scared. No one has had the balls to do that yet though, I can imagine it happening one day though.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Landsraad this is something I fundamentally disagree with. It goes against every kind of property law in existence.
Hmm but there are also laws in place to prevent (supposedly) monopoly's. Fair trade and all that. Microsoft have been taken to court year in year out for there aggressive squashin of any fledgling company who dared to raise there heads above the sand.
I can't really blame them for doing so, but the situation is pretty much you get what Microsoft gives you. Things 'could' be much better. Im sure some sort of agreement would be reached if Microsft were forced to share there OS's seaquets. i.e. a portion of the companies profits. I dont know point is that ive heard thats what they have been trying to do last i heard.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 14:32:55
Originally by: Dark Shikari It started with the geeks. But then it spread. Now the tech-savvy non-geeks are using it. Now people are installing it for their grandmothers who can't figure out how to use Windows. Dell is considering adding it as an OS option on their machines.
Sorry Dark but that reaks of wishful thinking. Im no slouch in the tech department. I keep up to date as much I can on as much as I can and I've never heard of it. If I dont have enough time to know something computer related upside down and back to front, I at least get familar with it. I will no doubt look, but I remain unconvinced by this claim. As for Dell looking into making it an option. I seriously doubt it.
Originally by: Dark Shikari And slowly but surely, it is replacing Windows
it must be moving helluva slow I'll look into this myself but every fibre in my body is chortling 'yeah right' at the moment.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/04/2007 14:41:18
Originally by: Ealiom
Originally by: Dark Shikari It started with the geeks. But then it spread. Now the tech-savvy non-geeks are using it. Now people are installing it for their grandmothers who can't figure out how to use Windows. Dell is considering adding it as an OS option on their machines.
Sorry Dark but that reaks of wishful thinking. Im no slouch in the tech department. I keep up to date as i can on as much as i can. Ive never heard of it, I will no doubt look, but i remain unconvinced by this claim. As for Dell looking into making it an option. I seriously doubt it.
It appears you have not been paying attention.
Dell has been opening to the option of providing Linux on their machines due to widespread complaints by both business and home users. They held a poll and discussion online on various options where people discussed which Dell should use. They seem to be leaning towards Ubuntu, as its by far the most average-user-friendly option.
It is not easy to unseat a massive abusive cartel. But it will eventually happen, and the hundreds of thousands of Ubuntu CDs shipping across the world are just one step towards it.
I do hope your right, that we will see some competition for Microsoft but I wonder. All the odds are against ubuntu (nice meaning btw) and will they find it easy to convince mass businesses and Joe Average. My previous comments are a reaction to your possitively bubbly enthusiasm and conviction. As if Ubuntu were already in everyones homes.
You are right it is not easy. I wish them well but i can see it going the way just about every other version of linux has went.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 14:58:12
Originally by: Miss Anthropy Oh, and DS is right about Dell. I read it on the BBC News website. Apparently they've had over 11,000 complaints from their users asking them to offer the option of having XP pre-installed on new machines.
Microsoft have tried to play this down by saying that it was only a small number of Dell customers who asked for this. But 11,000 kinda speaks for itself. Sorry I don't have a linky, but it was on the BBC News website about a week or so ago.
Yeah thats people demanding XP over Vista for an OS option not Ubuntu over XP and Vista.
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 15:23:16
Originally by: Ealiom You are right it is not easy. I wish them well but i can see it going the way just about every other version of linux has went.
Originally by: Miss Anthropy So you're slightly wrong about your pessimistic outlook there.
By that I mean not mass market / threat to Microsoft's dominance. I don't mean to imply they have crumbled to dust and don't exist anymore. Just that in order to force change they need to do more than they have done (which isn't easy)
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Posted - 2007.04.24 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 24/04/2007 16:35:46
Originally by: Frezik Check out ma fanci rit'in
Ive got a report to write this week, could you do it for me
Well written, all good points, except. I have an issue about your assertion that any other company could have did a better job. I believe that in the early years it actually benefitted home users new to the whole home computing thing to have Microsoft brutally monopolizing the computer market. Rather than have several options available to usthey had one and it was forced upon them. It helped calm down something that could have potentially been a bloody great headache.
present day its a different story PC's are everywhere and we need choice.
anyways, well put though and about this report i need done.......
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