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Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
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Posted - 2017.02.17 09:31:50 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:ISD Fractal wrote:
I think Reddit is popular not because of the lack of moderation
Respectfully, you're wrong. This is the number one reason. Number two is the reply threading that actually allows you to follow a child conversation in a thread without brain explosion. We get it. CCP doesn't want discussion that looks bad on the product or could be quoted in RL to the detriment of their marketing. However, that is exactly what EVE needs at times. Serious issues and deficiencies get overlooked, censored, and/or ignored, that outright diminish the product experience. The Jita riots of Incarna, okay, lets admit it - the wave of unsubbing, was so intense because CCP had screwed the lid down on criticism and sat on it forever. We were done with the forums. r/EVE flourished after that. Why am I here now? A sheer coincidence. I was looking for any dev posts about the latest deployment issues and stumbled upon this thread. Cheers! [Sig censored for direct quoting a Dev from the forums. YMMV]
Id' like everyone to stop actiing as if this is just an EVE thing, many communities made the move to reddit, no need to go over the reasons they've been well covered in this thread.
reddit has it's use, but each community should keep and use their forums.
people claim the very best place to get information in the last couple of years is on reddit but yet here you are,, just by chance seeking information about a product owned by CCP on their official forums, crazy stuff!
you're now looking for this information on 2 different sites, I think that's a bad thing.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1498
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Posted - 2017.02.17 09:35:44 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Malcanis wrote:wow
well, see you all at r/eve everybody. An ISD took risk to try and explain his position/situation.... He took a risk. He did take risk. Afaik, ISDs are usually required to keep their personal opinions to themselves.
Yes, I already agreed. Such risk. Much wow.
AFAIK, should have been 'As Far As I Guessed'
You don't know, just assuming....unfortunately, as always.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
25940
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Posted - 2017.02.17 10:40:01 -
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I dont want mess, like Reddit or other stupid forums that treat users like piles of poo, not giving them categorized content, easy to find.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Xantia Naari
XNaari Industries
7
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Posted - 2017.02.17 11:44:17 -
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I think people just grew up. I don't know what the average EvE player age is, but I bet it is higher then most and is increasing. |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
309
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Posted - 2017.02.17 12:08:21 -
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I'm not sure how the changed forums will go, but they will have to give some power to posters.
Mainly because other sites give that power.
And if you cannot compete on that front, then you will not compete at all.
Fans that create a Reddit site for EVE can make it look how they want, they can moderate it how they like, they can build up an empire of staff if they so wish. And it seems that many players do like having the power to moderate others, which is dangerous if they only like the moderating part, but there are others that love to create how their site looks and works, and that's an energy worth having.
Forum moderation in either forums, new or old, is always prickly. I tend to think that moderators should be anonymous and paid staff. There are a variety of reasons why I think that way. The main one being that nobody does something for nothing.
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1203
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:47:51 -
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My only concern about a new forum is the retention of the old forum posts somewhere that could still be accessible from the new system. There is a LOT of good information in here (even if it is a teaspoon of wine in a barrel full of sewage).
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.02.21 15:09:02 -
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Oh my, it's just getting better.
CCP is not just saving some money by moving from customized forum software to the GNU licensed abomination called Discourse, but also they plan to save DB server resources by not linking the forum account to your game account.
That is, you will have one character account, with no forums, and one forum account, with no characters linked to it.
It's so great. The obvious issues with that have been pointed by the CSM, but they can't be addressed; CCP will not link a Discourse-based cesspool with their pretty customer DBs, even if it was technically easy.
So enjoy the EVE forums while they last. Really, really enjoy them. Because now their future looks as pretty as EVE's.  |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
657
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:10:38 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That is, you will have one character account, with no forums, and one forum account, with no characters linked to it.
What is the point of such change? Isn't it better to have one account to rule them all?
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
If you need a scout mail me.
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Circumstantial Evidence
382
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Posted - 2017.02.26 02:11:59 -
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CCP Darwin on Reddit wrote:This Freak of Nature is driving me insane. Please Fix. by spooky_birthday in Eve [GÇô]ccp_darwin 15 points 9 days ago-á 1) Come to one of the art sessions or round tables at Fanfest. 2) Post here. We have team members keeping an eye on that forum. 3) Post here if it's about something new on our Singularity test server. Honestly, only a couple of us read Reddit frequently and there's no way we can do justice to feedback posted here unless it's truly game-breaking, so I don't recommend posting here if you're trying to get things in front of our team. So much for Reddt as the best place to get developer attention for non game-breaking posts. Feature and Idea suggestions are best placed in the official forums, even if it seems like they never happen. Agree that is a separate issue from "where the fun has gone" posts in this thread. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5779
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Posted - 2017.02.26 03:21:01 -
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I don't think I'm going to enjoy the new EVE Forums.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Corey Fumimasa
Shilo Inc.
1020
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Posted - 2017.02.26 14:30:16 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:
You say you want to improve the forums? Hey, thats great. We are all up for that. Feel free to provide us with your bullet points in a meaningful and a respectful manner. We for sure are listening to you.
If you find spelling errors, im sorry.
-Esh
Moderation is required to maintain civility and basic quality. Anything beyond that removes/limits this venue as an extension of our characters.
The question then becomes: Is a forum, as an extension of our Eve based alter ego's, good for the game?
I believe the answer to that is yes because the forums provide depth of expression, notoriety, and long term coherency to these alter egos.
Please allow the Eve forums to be a place where we can talk to each other and discuss things amongst ourselves in our own way.
-Everything stays on GD: it would be nice if there were a voting system to classify threads and a subsequent way to sort history by that system. But no more editing by placement.
-Up and Down voting for posts. Didn't we used to have down voting? It is a wonderful tool for skimming through multiple page threads and picking out the high points.
-The way posts always appear in chronological order here is perfect, please keep that.
-I love the default font, layout, and lack of pictures; it is clear and easy to read. Please don't change that.
-Would love to see people forced to post with their main.
-I would like to see forum moderation done by paid professionals who do not play Eve.
To all members of the ISD, thank you for your time and efforts.
Kindest regards,
CFM |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
28291
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:20:41 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That is, you will have one character account, with no forums, and one forum account, with no characters linked to it. What is the point of such change? Isn't it better to have one account to rule them all?
To kill RP.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Problem Addict
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:23:55 -
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CCP realized that the first place people go when considering joining a new game is it's official forums.
These forums use to be a hell hole. Anyone who would bring up an opinion or idea outside of the collective norm would be ostracized relentlessly.
Now they're boring because once a conversation kicks off that's generating a lot of interest, trigger happy ISD's who define their self-worth by imposing their CCP given abilities do so with wreckless abandon.
There's no middle ground.
It almost feels like the forums are moderated with a quota system, whichever ISD deletes the most posts gets a bonus or something.
It's hard to balance though. Let a bunch of self-proclaimed geniuses dominate every conversation with their cabalistic back handed insults for the sake of generating lulz and "tears, or have a nice clean but bland presentation for prospective new players?
I dunno. Its not my paycheck on the line. |
Kaivarian Coste
Stellar supply
111
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:41:10 -
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The fun died with Erotica 1. |
Kenneth Endashi
State Protectorate
Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2017.02.27 00:25:01 -
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Problem Addict wrote:CCP realized that the first place people go when considering joining a new game is it's official forums.
These forums use to be a hell hole. Anyone who would bring up an opinion or idea outside of the collective norm would be ostracized relentlessly.
Now they're boring because once a conversation kicks off that's generating a lot of interest, trigger happy ISD's who define their self-worth by imposing their CCP given abilities do so with wreckless abandon.
There's no middle ground.
It almost feels like the forums are moderated with a quota system, whichever ISD deletes the most posts gets a bonus or something.
It's hard to balance though. Let a bunch of self-proclaimed geniuses dominate every conversation with their cabalistic back handed insults for the sake of generating lulz and "tears, or have a nice clean but bland presentation for prospective new players?
I dunno. Its not my paycheck on the line.
The ISDs have closed too many good threads when nobody's feelings were getting hurt or anything. That's why GD is shrinking away |
hmu-smh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2017.02.27 00:51:35 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:The fun died with Erotica 1.
This ^
Eve died with erotica. |
Pix Severus
Empty You
6035
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Posted - 2017.02.27 01:31:26 -
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I tried out that Discourse software, I don't like it. Its scary, confusing and difficult to read/browse, although I'll admit that may just be because I'm getting old. It IS clunky, however, with all those superfluous animations and doohickeys, and if they can't be turned off I'll be forced to block them at browser-level, if that's even possible.
Also, Erotica 1 did nothing wrong. o/
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
667
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Posted - 2017.02.27 07:53:38 -
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Pix Severus wrote:I tried out that Discourse software, I don't like it. Its scary, confusing and difficult to read/browse, although I'll admit that may just be because I'm getting old. It IS clunky, however, with all those superfluous animations and doohickeys, and if they can't be turned off I'll be forced to block them at browser-level, if that's even possible.
Also, Erotica 1 did nothing wrong. o/
Pix Severus was here.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
If you need a scout mail me.
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Bob Pilotero
LulKlz
0
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Posted - 2017.02.28 21:53:37 -
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If you are into serious salt and drama you should check the Dust514 forum. It's the Wild West over there. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1753
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Posted - 2017.03.01 10:55:47 -
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Kenneth Endashi wrote:The ISDs have closed too many good threads when nobody's feelings were getting hurt or anything. That's why GD is shrinking away
Why would I contribute content for free while running the risk to be banned from the service I pay for by doing that? In what universe does that even make sense?  |
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Kitteh
House of El - The Reformation
RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2017.03.01 11:32:31 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey Guys The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships  We'll have more information in the near future <3
LOL
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
28500
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Posted - 2017.03.01 11:37:40 -
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Dont listen to Falcon, he is scrambled and have blasters pointed at him. They wanted him to say this.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Salvos Rhoska
2338
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Posted - 2017.03.01 14:36:06 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Kenneth Endashi wrote:The ISDs have closed too many good threads when nobody's feelings were getting hurt or anything. That's why GD is shrinking away Why would I contribute content for free while running the risk to be banned from the service I pay for by doing that? In what universe does that even make sense?
It makes sense when you break rules of that service.
In what universe does that not make sense?
Paying for it does not make you exempt from or above the rules.
A thread being closed is not a ban, nor is the content (except those which violate rules) removed.
Yes, unfortunately, other people can deliberately drive your thread into the ground.
If you have a solution to that, lets hear it.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5863
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Posted - 2017.03.01 15:12:05 -
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If CCP is bound and determined to go ahead with the Discourse platform (despite reservations by the CSM) they've obviously established a business case and made some investment. I don't think I'm going to like the new EVE Forums as much. Maybe I will - heck, I'm willing to give it a try at least. Mainly so I can say "Told you it was going to suck."
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
28522
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Posted - 2017.03.01 16:36:01 -
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If they would look like Valkyrie forums, it will be downgrade. At least give us BIG avatars, not those peephole sized round ones.
Colors should be like here. And like button should be like here, and option to quote and edit should be available, make it look like these forums basically.
And allow creating alts for RP, on the same account.
And EVE mail should be available like here.
If any thing from the list above wil be gone, CCP will only confirm more strongly they dont care about the playerbase that were here from beginning. Removing EVE wiki was just a first step. With this they may do the last one.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8236
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Posted - 2017.03.01 17:35:17 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey Guys Thanks for the comments, it's nice to know there's still a sizeable amount of people who care about the health of the forums, for sure. We're actually in the middle of testing an entirely new forum system with the assistance of our Volunteer team, and we'll more than likely be looking to roll it out somewhere toward the summer  The rollout of these forums is going to include a complete rewrite of the forum rules (relaxing quite a few of them), re-organizing our forum categories and the introduction of a new mandate for ISD in terms of how moderation is carried out, as well as a few other things that the community team will be blogging about in the not too distant future (more than likely soon after Fanfest, which happens in April). The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships We'll have more information in the near future <3
So /r/eve becomes official and gets a wallpaper....
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Salvos Rhoska
2339
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Posted - 2017.03.02 09:04:18 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So /r/eve becomes official and gets a wallpaper....
Meanwhile on /r/eve:
20 concurrent trash threads filled with almost identical one-word/line trash posts about TEST cane fleet lost in a WH.
Wow. Such content.
So player moderated.
Much better.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1754
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Posted - 2017.03.03 13:42:11 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Yes, unfortunately, other people can deliberately drive your thread into the ground. If you have a solution to that, lets hear it.
Sorry, discussing moderation is not allowed, remember? But you are correct, I agreed with the terms and conditions so I consented to being policed. My own solution is simple: do not give the authorities something to police. My solution is to not post. This week has been somewhat of an exception ^^ |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
31868
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Posted - 2017.04.18 13:27:32 -
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They could have relaxed rules many times. They dont need new forums for that.
I think they want to make this forum like Reddit. Because they like it more.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
469
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Posted - 2017.04.18 14:26:03 -
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Drama Llamas tend to filter themselves out fairly quickly. Solid moderation on the forums will quickly squash cries for attention.
If you want to see humanity at it's lowest, gank a miner and watch local. |
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