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Minutor Raptor
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:22:00 -
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constant connection drops on 4 different cable modems & pc's, really annoying when your half way through a mission, and even moreso when your half way through a pvp and warp locked - this needs fixing
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foehammer mk2
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Posted - 2007.04.25 09:35:00 -
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anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.25 10:48:00 -
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Regarding the Salvage Drone Operation skill being deactivated and not viewable due to the fuctionality not being in the game:
I'm not too upset about this since I knew the skill was 'useless' at this time, HOWEVER...it seems a rather inconsistant approach CCP has to this, and that is what I'm finding misleading and now slightly aggreivating.
As has been mentioned, there are LOTS of other skills that are 'useless', some of which I've also trained like Mobile Refinery Operation and Starbase Tactical Officer...
These skills I never knew where useless at the time I trained them and I've only since found out.
Anyway - my beef is now if it is THAT easy to remove/deactivate these skills until the functionality is implemented then why have you not done so with ALL these 'useless' skills to provide a consistent and 'new player friendly' approach to training skills.
I'm sorry, but its not the players fault that you are half-implementing things to TQ. Please be consistent and stop expecting players to determine the useful from the 'useless' functionality available by investing their time.
(For example - for a while I wanted to be a smuggler with Black market trading/snake implants etc etc, only to discover later that this wasn't viable as Black Market Trading doesn't work!)
Please look into this - Thanks, Vyk.
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Vladic Ka
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: foehammer mk2 anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
I would not go near that link, Mr one post wonder.
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foehammer mk2
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: foehammer mk2 anyone having problems updating the client? I've mirrored the patch (Hope this is ok)
You can get it Here: http://www.combat-evolved.org.uk/showthread.php?p=261#post261
I would not go near that link, Mr one post wonder.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion - however - maybe more people would post if it wasn't for attitudes such as your own, ask youself one question, maybe a character is new to the game, maybe thats why they aint got many posts - Sort yourself out.
For your information, I am an administrator and super moderator on several successfull sites/forums.
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider new skill sheet option added: "only show skills that i can currently train"
might cause lots of confusion: it shows i can skill thingies such as - reverse engineering (rank 4) - remote interfaces (rank 4) - mnemonics (rank 2) - hypernet science (rank 5) - gunnery interfaces (rank 4) (advanced gunnery implants...?!) - diagnostics interfaces (rank4) - duplicating (rank4) and a couple more
and that's just my science skill tree o_O
As I petitioned this to get this added and make the other option more clear Im glad its there and I'm not quite sure what your problem with it is ? If you brought those skills, you could train them correct ? ______________________________
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rushin
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:26:00 -
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Adding my voice to the Salvage Drone fiasco. I had spent many hours acquiring 2 books, not from an exploit, but travelling a large distance, working through long missions and then travelling back to my normal hang out. I had one on contracts with a few hours to go and 24 million bid, the other in a hanger. I am a new player, I was under the impression that the money from the auction was guaranteed and had spent my savings because I knew this was coming into my wallet.
Now I find the contract removed, my skill book removed, and a GM credit in wallet for 144,000 ISK(!!), an entire days play wasted, me at least 23.8 million out of pocket and now very poor. That is seriously unacceptable.
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Harisdrop
Gallente Vindicate and Deliverance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:49:00 -
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I say you make the skillbook for Salvage drone worth what other skillbooks for drones are worth.
THe skillpoints that anyone that trained it still have it soo no lose there.
Thanks for an easy patch day. Its wonderful to login and have no problems.
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron The following addition was made to the Patch Notes:
The Salvage Drone Operation skill was incorrectly added to TQ as a mission reward, and has been removed.
The Dev Team is discussing how to resolve the issue created by the untimely release of the skill to Tranquility. When a decision has been made, the community will be informed.
We apologize for the confusion resulting from the deployment and removal of the skill.
I guess that makes me feel a little better.
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06
I think it is excellent that Salvage Drone skill has been removed. No longer will we have to put up with people stockpiling these books by creating endless new characters to run the tutorial mission that produced the book as a reward, and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
I hope that the people who did this are NOT compensated.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Missy X Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06
I think it is excellent that Salvage Drone skill has been removed. No longer will we have to put up with people stockpiling these books by creating endless new characters to run the tutorial mission that produced the book as a reward, and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
I hope that the people who did this are NOT compensated.
And what exactly kept you from running the mission and getting them?
Simply, I would be willing to bet that there were many players that ran the missions to get the skills for their own characters and not near as many "selling" the books. The information was there on how to get them, posted on these forums, its not the players' faults that some people are too lazy to run them themselves or that CCP screwed up.
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On a more positive note on the patch, I've noticed that running 2 accounts at once on my laptop is smoother. Anyone else see this? <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:47:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Reactor Control unit still incorrectly shows a powergrid bonus of 15% insted of 18.6% or 20%. Even basic faction Reactor control units give more than this bonus (e.g Dark blood/True ansha give 15.5%). It has been bug reported months ago, but would appriciate knowing if this is a bug that is likely to be fixed next patch. --
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.25 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 16:09:36
Quote: And what exactly kept you from running the mission and getting them?
I did not want the book anyway. I never said that I did. But that is not the point.
The point is, many who had the book were metagaming to get multiple copies of it, and then profiteering from that. This may not be illegal but it's certainly outside the spirit in which an RPG should be played. I venture to guess that perhaps this is why CCP removed the book and the skill completely, rather than let it sit there until Salvage Drones were implemented at a later date. If so, I believe that they absolutely made the correct decision.
I dislike people who look at EVE only as an exercise in squeezing every last drop of ISK out of the game, regardless of the cost in terms of immersion, atmosphere and credibility. Which seems to be many of you. Therefore, I hope that CCP does not compensate anyone who was using the skill book to specifically participate in this kind of metagaming scam.
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MellaRinn
Exit 13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.25 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 25/04/2007 18:20:18 started experiencing weird market behaviour in Lonetrek. You directly buy an item and instead of it appearing in your hangar, you don't get your money deduced and an "expired" buy order is placed on the market for the item you were buying.
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Karasuma Akane
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Karasuma Akane on 25/04/2007 18:34:25
Originally by: Missy X Edited by: Missy X on 25/04/2007 15:18:06and then selling the book in local channels for stupidly large sums of ISK.
Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'? (Sounds like the supply & demand aspects of the market were working in this case.) Personally, as a drone-using Gallantean who spends quite some time salvaging, I put in the time to get two books to train for myself and a friend - not for sale. I had thoughts of a lowsec salvage Vexor...
Although I'd be a bit disappointed, if CCP is reimbursing players for the books stolen from hangars (as alluded to by Rushin's experience) for the same amount the books will cost in the future (144k isk?), that may be acceptable. (Hmmm nothing new in my wallet yet though.)
It's not as fun as knowing (for a newer player) that you finally own something 'rare' in game, at least for a little while. I actually like the idea as a game mechanic (as stated in my earlier post) that some new skills only be 'discovered' through in-game player activity (missions/exploration/research) and managed through market mechanisms when first introduced (and only for a limited time - perhaps for one or two weeks), instead of having 833 NPC copies suddenly available at every single school station. (BO-RING.) Those players who feel they need or want the new skill two weeks before everyone else will either do the tasks themselves or pay what they think is an appropriate market price to those who put in the effort to obtain the books.
It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out. -----
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Jesters Knight
Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.04.25 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: DukeJoost1 And what is the new reward for those missions ?
Not only is the time i (we) have spend for those missions now wasted. Also the time spend in training the skill to level 2 and the skillpoints !
Why remove a perfectly good skill, valueable to skill collectors only ?
The skill had zero benefit in-game, as Salvage Drones have not been released. We are still trying to determine what route to take in regards to the points/time invested by players who trained the skill.
So your are saying that removing that one that was useless was ok, but having even more useless skills that dont even allow you to train tehm is ok?
you make me sick.
you shoudl give back the books and points to the people who invested for them, otherwise that makes you nothign more than a thief.
but, from teh BOB incident it looks like the whoe dev team may be nothing more than a group of thieves running a pyramid scheme tryign to get money.
"bob blew up a titan!!" (what the suckers dont know is that the dread fleet was really a bunch of macros, running on a server farm in CCP's basement) P.S. no offence to bob intended, you guys did great (assuming you exsist) Highsec POS labs with no risk of scamming
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Lazarann
Caldari Ideal Machine THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.04.26 04:17:00 -
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10 disconnects today, taking up to at least 20 minutes to log back in sometimes. Nice changes in the patch, but that just sucks
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Yasumoto
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Posted - 2007.04.26 04:44:00 -
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CCP: @ about 3:30 - 4:30 gmt April 26, 2007, my client suddenly dropped its connection with the server several times. Additionally, the market where I was located served up a small dialog box stating that it was closed due to "insider trading." I can live with a market being closed for a while, but the server - client connection drops were just intolerable.
And now I can't even fully enter the game. Specifically, I'll launch the EvE client and get the point where I can choose my primary character to play. After clicking the character's "toon" I am then presented with the 'entering such and such a system' with a never-moving status bar.
If this stuff is due to the hardware failure, then please pick up the pace on that fix.
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PhamNuwen
Caldari Bungee Jumper
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Posted - 2007.04.26 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: PhamNuwen on 26/04/2007 05:31:45
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Pooka You added the skill books, I acquired them honestly and then you removed them. Are the honset players going to get reimburse?
At no point in time have I stated the players who trained this skill are now "out of luck", only that the Devs are looking into how to resolve the issue.
As the situation stands at this time, the skill points and levels trained are not lost, the skill points and levels are still in the character's database entry. Disabling the skill removes its visibility on the character sheet and skill point totals.
If Salvage Drones are introduced into the game, the skill will be reactivated and be visible on the character sheet, in the skill point totals, on the market, etc. If Salvage Drones are taken off of the list of future features, those that trained the skill will be reimbursed in a manner equivalent to the time invested.
Because the server is down, if have to write a
<Forum-Petition>
Please do it also for all other useless skills
</Forum-Petition>
___ maybe the skill was accidently farmed/trained by BoD - so we get a reimbursement for this skill ---
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Marcus TheDealer
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Posted - 2007.04.26 05:45:00 -
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Sad that the CCP posts in this thread only discuss about the training of the Salvage Drone skill and nothing about the skill book being taken. How does one go about proving they had one when it looks like CCP did a whilly-nilly mass delete? Pretty bad strategy to delete the books when all they had to do was turn off the skill and then discuss with the public what was going on. Rather have the book in my possession and not able to skill train it then to have it deleted. What about the people that were currently training it and have not logged in since? Their going to be mighty upset that you have wasted their time and for obvious reasons, there is no way you will compensate them for the lost skill training time after the date and time you pulled the skill. <<shakes head>>
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.04.26 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: Roemy Schneider new skill sheet option added: "only show skills that i can currently train"
might cause lots of confusion: it shows i can skill thingies such as - reverse engineering (rank 4) - remote interfaces (rank 4) - mnemonics (rank 2) - hypernet science (rank 5) - gunnery interfaces (rank 4) (advanced gunnery implants...?!) - diagnostics interfaces (rank4) - duplicating (rank4) and a couple more
and that's just my science skill tree o_O
As I petitioned this to get this added and make the other option more clear Im glad its there and I'm not quite sure what your problem with it is ? If you brought those skills, you could train them correct ?
nah, that's not the point. the option itself is great \o/ - just that those skills are either left-overs from previous experiments (reverse engineering became invention along the process, i believe) or those advanced implant skills (the stuff with interface in the name) which can still be regarded (distant) future
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Tar Magen
Amarr Arx Amarria
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Posted - 2007.04.26 07:17:00 -
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In any case, the appearance of the salvage drone operation skill has put a spotlight on the fact that many EVE players would dearly love to have salvage drones.
And where is the harm, after all? It wouldn't unbalance the game if they were introduced.
So please do include them in a future update, CCP. |
Calamity Jali
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Posted - 2007.04.26 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Calamity Jali on 26/04/2007 10:27:02 I noticed they fixed a warp to 0 autopilot thing I was using to travel, Hee now I stop 15 KM from the gate again!
Nice job though
Wish I had had the Salvage drones skill or even thought it was there, I have read about it in one of the stories and still want to know if its possible to invent such a drone!
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:21:00 -
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Quote: Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'?
Of course not. And I certainly do not suggest that the fools who purchased these books off other players be compensated. I just dislike EVE's current culture of "oh, a loophole, let's exploit the hell out of it any way we possibly can", and the fact that these people are now crying about the skill being removed gives me great pleasure.
Quote: It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out.
It's also more than a little metagamey. The metagaming aspect tends to kill off any RP potential. The very worst RPers are always the ones who only ever want to RP things that are to their material advantage.
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Staggler
Caldari Einstein a go go
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:29:00 -
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A number of times, I've right clicked missile launchers and done a Reload All.... it "sometimes", never seems to complete, and the launchers just flash like they are reloading for upwards of a minute, before I fix them myself, by reloading each individual launcher.
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Poht
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:29:00 -
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I got 3 or 4 offers on that skill, from ppl that had noticed that it was given out by noob agents and wanted to profit on that!
I desided not to buy because I knew the drones weren't ingame and no dev blog or patch note mentioned the release of those drones in the near future.
Please ppl, stop and think before buying a skillbook that is not giving u any bonus.
EVE has probably got more code then Vista and mistakes will happen!
Train EW drones instead
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The Ender
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Missy X
Quote: Was anyone forcing players to buy the books for 'stupidly largs sums of isk'?
Of course not. And I certainly do not suggest that the fools who purchased these books off other players be compensated. I just dislike EVE's current culture of "oh, a loophole, let's exploit the hell out of it any way we possibly can", and the fact that these people are now crying about the skill being removed gives me great pleasure.
Quote: It's even a little role-playish to think that some salvager out there on their own hacked the hardware and coded the software of their regular drones to where they were able to salvage, and then shared the information/knowledge with one of their agents, and that's how the skills leaked out.
It's also more than a little metagamey. The metagaming aspect tends to kill off any RP potential. The very worst RPers are always the ones who only ever want to RP things that are to their material advantage.
Please define your definition of a loophole?
There was a thread in the skills forums Linkage that was all about this skill, and how to aquire it. This was posted on the 10th of April, patch was deployed on the 24th. Two full weeks for Devs to make a reply to that thread, and warn it was a mistake and will be taken away.
How is a legitimate mission reward a 'loophole'? Just because it didn't have any current use, just like 'Jump Drive Operation'? People still bought and trained that up.
Miserable arguements for the removing of the skill in this thread. Absoultely misreable!
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Missy X
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:54:00 -
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The loophole is not in the acquiring of skillbook but in the process of:
1. Start new char 2. Do mission x 3. Get book 4. Transfer book to alt char to sell 5. Delete new char 6. Goto 1
This process, while not 'illegal', is certainly 'lame'. It is not playing an RPG in the spirit in which it is intended. I am quite certain that CCP do not want people to play in this manner.
I love that CCP have removed the book. It makes me happy. When lame idiot players get what they deserve and have to suck it up or leave, this puts a smile on my face. It is true that some good players are sadly also hurt by this but CCP will compensate them.
For me, 1.4.2. patch was all about removing lameness from EVE, in many respects. CCP have the courage to proactively fight lameness and are the best game company in the world. I was wavering before but I will subscribe to this game for as long as possible now. Yes.
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TheSprite
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:13:00 -
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was just wondering if you knew about the problem with POS hanger arrays...
when boarding a stored vessel sometimes the powergrid doesnt show up and also when boarding a ship .. the nametag is not visible.... it just says the name of the corp that the ship belongs to... you have to re-eject and reboard the vessel for this to correct itself...
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SebieV
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: SebieV on 26/04/2007 12:48:08 I run the missions with al my acounts to get the books (Salvage Drone Operation) they all trained the skill then i found out i coult run the mission again with the same character (all mains no alts where involved) so i desided to run the mission serveral times more and sell the book for a huble price of 20 mill on the market wile the prices i saw where about 50 to 100 mill (way to high i ques) my trust in to getting something in the game is lowdown this is the second time i see a skill book get changed or removed (this time) i see getting the skill and selling it no other then getting a skill like Military Connections what i allready have i dont find it an exploid or something like that... but i feel quilty to the ones i sold it to becouse of the way ccp removed it i do honest busniss and help other players out with the game.... this way my trust in me from other people is being dameged... then i try to look who by the book from my main charcters but i cannot find it so even if i want to return the isk to them i can not ..... so that would be a good idear to let it show up in the wallet who bought something thru contracts if some one dont want to reveal its name it allways good use an alt....
in other words ccp what skill is next that you remove ??? what items are you gonig to remove or tweak ??? the game is hard as it is ... if i have to wurry about everything i buy that it will be changed i don't like to play at all ...
exaple when i buy a car the next morning its not a bike ... when i buy a TV the next morning its not a radio !
when i work for money the day that i have to get money its not that i get appels !!!
when i get a skill in my list and i trained it then it should not be removed !!
when you guys think eve is just a game you mistaken its in your live you check your sell orders as soon as posible you train your skills and try to not lose time you sometimes wait going to bed or give atention to someone else in real life becouse you need to dock or need to change a skill eve is in your system its part of your life
i love eve to bad she hurts too........
posting with my alt sorry if i hide.....
edited left something out...
Missy X you did not need to make a new charter even yesterday i can still fly that mission with my main charcter so its not lame....
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