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Funchy
Placeholder corpz
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Posted - 2017.02.09 17:51:26 -
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Can someone please help me out? I'm returning, but am a bit hesitant to log in as alpha, as I have a lot of assets and it's not clear to me what will happen to some of them.
First: My main is logged off in space in a ship not my race. What will happen there? Can I just dock it and switch ships?
Second; I have more than 21 ships in all my accounts iirc, as I stocked cyno's and what not all over the uni, what will happen to the excess ships? Not feeling much for losing a couple of billion in ships just because I wanted to log in again.
Third; I have a transport character that holds a ton of ships, none are his race but the Charon itself, can those still be traded back to the characters that can fly them? Or are they completely locked/erased?
Fourth: Skill points will only be locked out right? So I still have about 90M SP, but I can only use weapons and ships that are Amarr on my main? If this exceeds the limit (players keep saying this, even though there is nothing on a cap in the dev notes on alpha clones), what skills will be locked out?
I just hope PLEX stabilised around 1B, when I started they were about 250M xD When I left they were around 950M.
I did read the page on the Alpha clones, but it couldn't answer these specific questions I found. (Or I'm a ****** at reading, could go either way :P)
Thanks for any help in any case!
Cheers,
Funchy |
LouHodo
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2017.02.09 18:22:11 -
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I think it will spawn you in the nearest friendly station on login, the ships that are not your race will not be accessible to you. Just like if you didnt have the skills to pilot them.
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Funchy
Placeholder corpz
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Posted - 2017.02.09 18:28:11 -
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As long as nothing does a houdini I'm good :D |
Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.09 22:39:52 -
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You can fly your ship if you are in space but you cannot use any of the tech II mods and once you land you cannot fly that ship again. plus it loses all its bonuses.
I think thats correct |
Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2017.02.09 23:17:12 -
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LouHodo wrote:I think it will spawn you in the nearest friendly station on login, the ships that are not your race will not be accessible to you. Just like if you didnt have the skills to pilot them.
This is not quite right.
OP will be able to login and fly in his existing ship so he can dock. All Omega only modules will be offline though.
Once docked, he can't fly ships that require Omega, but they are still there, perfectly accessible in every other way (eg. To trade or sell). |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.02.09 23:27:49 -
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This dev blog has the answers to most of the questions you've asked (including what happens if you're logged out in a ship you can't fly with alpha skills, as well as a complete list of the maximum skill levels you can access as an alpha for each race.)
It's possible there might be some minor differences between the current alpha skill limits and what are listed in that blog, since that was pre-release information. However, it should give you a good idea of what to expect.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.02.10 01:03:28 -
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all your assets are fine, the whole fly 21 ships is just saying there are 21 ships alphas can fly, it has nothing to do with a limit on the number of ships you can have.
if your main is undocked I believe they can use the ship well enough to go dock up, but likely won't be alble to use anything on it as those skills will probably be alpha locked.
I believe those are the main points, for more details that dev blog Darwin posted is very good.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1301
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Posted - 2017.02.10 01:52:38 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:This dev blog has the answers to most of the questions you've asked (including what happens if you're logged out in a ship you can't fly with alpha skills, as well as a complete list of the maximum skill levels you can access as an alpha for each race.) It's possible there might be some minor differences between the current alpha skill limits and what are listed in that blog, since that was pre-release information. However, it should give you a good idea of what to expect. You will however need to read the blog 2 or 3 times as the first read is about as clear as mud.
Suggestion for OP; Don't try to read and absorb the whole blog. Stick to what relates to you.
In a nushell (which I'm not surprised our friendly? Dev didn't bother with). You can log in and dock the ship you logged out in space in, regardless of what race or skill requirements. You will not be able to activate any of the modules on it (unless it is T1 amarr fit)
CCP Darwin; You did read the part where the OP said he or she had read the blog and was unsure - I mean that blog is about as clear as mud at first and second glance. Like many Dev blogs, there is just too much information in a very reader unfriendly layout.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
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Posted - 2017.02.10 01:57:46 -
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You will spawn in space in whatever ship you're currently in, when you dock it will tell you you dont have the skills to fly that ship and you won't be able to unlock until you leave that ship or it just kicks you out.
I dont remember. My harbinger was okay, it's sitting in a hanger fine right now. Your assets are untouched, you can strip ships and simulate fits for them but you can't actually get into the ships and got them. It wont let you out put your capsule in it. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2388
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Posted - 2017.02.10 11:45:27 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:OP said he or she had read the blog and was unsure She said she had read the "page on alpha clones," and since that blog answers her specific questions, I figured she was referring to a different document.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
7498
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Posted - 2017.02.10 11:55:26 -
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Welcome back, Funchy!
Our Customer Support team has compiled a good article on the EVE Help Center, it contains a lot of valuable information: Alpha Clones and Omega Clones lapsing - Quick Facts
To answer your questions:
- Yes, you can fly your currently boarded ship and dock, even if you don't have the skills for it due to the Alpha restrictions. No skill bonuses will apply to the ship though.
- You keep all your assets.
- Yes, you can trade your assets to other characters. Nothing is being locked or even erased. You simply cannot fly those ships because you don' have the skills for it. Imagine you are a young (Omega) character without any skills. You still could purchase all sort of expensive items/ships which you cannot use at this point due to skill restrictions - same situation here.
- All skills which are not listed in the dev blog, won't show an effect. As soon as you switch your account back to Omega, those skills will be there for you again. You don't lose skillpoints or skills if your Omega account lapses, all skills that are not in the Alpha skillset will simply be treated as not being there as long as your are on an Alpha account.
Hopefully those answers are of help.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.11 08:14:26 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Welcome back, Funchy! Our Customer Support team has compiled a good article on the EVE Help Center, it contains a lot of valuable information: Alpha Clones and Omega Clones lapsing - Quick FactsTo answer your questions:
- Yes, you can fly your currently boarded ship and dock, even if you don't have the skills for it due to the Alpha restrictions. No skill bonuses will apply to the ship though.
- You keep all your assets.
- Yes, you can trade your assets to other characters. Nothing is being locked or even erased. You simply cannot fly those ships because you don' have the skills for it. Imagine you are a young (Omega) character without any skills. You still could purchase all sort of expensive items/ships which you cannot use at this point due to skill restrictions - same situation here.
- All skills which are not listed in the dev blog, won't show an effect. As soon as you switch your account back to Omega, those skills will be there for you again. You don't lose skillpoints or skills if your Omega account lapses, all skills that are not in the Alpha skillset will simply be treated as not being there as long as your are on an Alpha account.
Hopefully those answers are of help. CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1476
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Posted - 2017.02.11 10:11:18 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP. Cut the guy some slack. CCP Darwin's a developer, not a community guy. It's rare enough that those types show up here at all these days. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.11 13:53:19 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
I dont think his answer was rude. Go find something legitimate to complain about if you just have to feel like someone is doing you an injustice |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18360
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Posted - 2017.02.11 21:02:51 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
I dont think his answer was rude. Go find something legitimate to complain about if you just have to feel like someone is doing you an injustice
Ah, I see you're new to Ockerposts
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.11 21:37:28 -
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Malcanis wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
I dont think his answer was rude. Go find something legitimate to complain about if you just have to feel like someone is doing you an injustice Ah, I see you're new to Ockerposts
Yeah... I think the preference of some on the forums is that the Devs not say or do anything that isn't directly in line with their wishes and interests, and everything else is *bad* and needs calling out/complaining about.
Some others were just born under a lemon tree next to a salt mine...
Thankfully there's the rest of us to balance things out
Great to see the devs jumping in to answer a player's question like this, especially on the weekend in your all's spare time |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.11 22:52:46 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
I dont think his answer was rude. Go find something legitimate to complain about if you just have to feel like someone is doing you an injustice Where did I say his reply was rude? I said it was not helpful - BIG difference.
Try reading what my post says, not what you "think" it says.
The injustice as you put it is that we could have lost another returning player because a DEV thought it was ok to just fob him off with a less than helpful reply.
Neuntausend - And if that type of response is the best he can do, it is probably better that he doesn't show here too often. Putting returning players or new players off with "just read this" responses to questions is far worse than not replying at all. The simple answer is rarely the most helpful.
To both of you; I only hope CCP Darwin took my response as it was intended and didn't try to see anything other than what I said in my reply.
-- - -- - -- - -- Malcanis is right - Get used to me, If I see something that I think could be done differently or better I'll speak up. I try to speak as an average Joe who just wants to play Eve and see the game grow and thrive.
You may not agree with me which is fine - Just be sure to read my signature. Your only other option is to ignore me as I'm not going away anytime soon.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1480
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Posted - 2017.02.11 22:57:37 -
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You know what really puts new people off? Players ranting about non-issues all day.
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.11 23:01:41 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Malcanis wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Darwin - Take a lesson, this is the more useful, friendly, helpful way to answer the sort of questions posed by the OP.
NB; "Figured" as in presuming will so often lead to misunderstanding and bad outcomes.
I dont think his answer was rude. Go find something legitimate to complain about if you just have to feel like someone is doing you an injustice Ah, I see you're new to Ockerposts Yeah... I think the preference of some on the forums is that the Devs not say or do anything that isn't directly in line with their wishes and interests, and everything else is *bad* and needs calling out/complaining about. Some others were just born under a lemon tree next to a salt mine... Thankfully there's the rest of us to balance things out Great to see the devs jumping in to answer a player's question like this, especially on the weekend in your all's spare time Actually I'd like to see Devs post far more than they do, with relevant helpful information and answers to questions or concerns.
CCP Seagull told us all some time back Devs would be more actively interacting with the player base - That statement was obviously forgotten as soon as she walked off stage - Or Devs weren't told about it.
"The rest of us" - Wow do we have a superiority complex going here - Your saying you're better than me and have more rights to post than I do? How fuking rude....
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.11 23:09:44 -
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Neuntausend wrote:You know what really puts new people off? Players ranting about non-issues all day.
You mean like you did in your first reply.. I agree wholeheartedly.
Creating an issue when there isn't one by seeing things that aren't written on the page seems to be a talent, you've mastered.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Cade Windstalker
771
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Posted - 2017.02.12 01:27:23 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Actually I'd like to see Devs post far more than they do, with relevant helpful information and answers to questions or concerns.
CCP Seagull told us all some time back Devs would be more actively interacting with the player base - That statement was obviously forgotten as soon as she walked off stage - Or Devs weren't told about it.
"The rest of us" - Wow do we have a superiority complex going here - Your saying you're better than me and have more rights to post than I do?
At the end of the day it's up to the individual devs if they want to interact on the forums or not, and part of that is going to be the kind of response they get from the player base. You are, of course, free to post whatever you want (within the forum rules). I'm just suggesting that we might see more from more devs if the forums didn't have such a tendency to pile on when they do show up... |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1304
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Posted - 2017.02.12 10:06:15 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Actually I'd like to see Devs post far more than they do, with relevant helpful information and answers to questions or concerns.
CCP Seagull told us all some time back Devs would be more actively interacting with the player base - That statement was obviously forgotten as soon as she walked off stage - Or Devs weren't told about it.
"The rest of us" - Wow do we have a superiority complex going here - Your saying you're better than me and have more rights to post than I do? At the end of the day it's up to the individual devs if they want to interact on the forums or not, and part of that is going to be the kind of response they get from the player base. You are, of course, free to post whatever you want (within the forum rules). I'm just suggesting that we might see more from more devs if the forums didn't have such a tendency to pile on when they do show up... Sorry but that is not even close to what you "Suggested" in your previous post.
Yes it is up to individual Devs as to how little interaction they have with players via the Eve forums, which is an absolute shame.
Try going HERE and have a look. The place where Devs regularly post and respond to players.
It is obvious, Dev choice is not Eve Forums when it comes right down to it...
NB; I don't believe a Dev is anymore able to "bad post" and not get called on it as anyone else is. Especially because a Dev should be more responsible than that. So if suggesting a Dev take note of a decent post straight after making excuses for a bad post is "piling on" then so be it.
I know you are a "devs can do no wrong" proponent so I'll forgive your inability to see a bad post from one of them.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Accidental ArchAngel
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
0
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Posted - 2017.02.15 02:33:42 -
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I returned after leaving in about 2009 or 2010.
I have found that on my main account, the avatar - my FACE - that was stolen from me has not been returned, so I cannot even gain access to that character without creating a face that is not his/mine. I'm still pissed about it, yes.
I figured that, if I have to start anew, and will be severely limited anyway, well... then why not just start a whole new account? This way I'm not tempted by the capital ships, the tech 2 and tech 3, and whatever else I gave up when CCP took too much from me back then.
Anyway, I did find that he is listed as being docked up in a station - in fact, all characters on that account are docked up... some in stations I would never have docked in, so I believe the game put them there.
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