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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:16:10 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:Plenty of roamers engage organised fleets, if they are in suitable ships to pick off targets and split things up. You weren't expecting a group of a few people in a skirmish fleets to stick around to fight a big ball of T3s with 5+ logi ships were you? It's already clear you like things being hugely stacked in your favour before you undock. It's not me, it's you who like the odds. It's just one T3 on undock and you are already scared imagining the latter.
Mr Floydy wrote:if you are part of an entity that needs to have multiple systems locked down an secure, why aren't you sharing the load of securing it? You're just creating yourself work to make a point when if you are in an alliance/corp that controls a constellation you should have more than enough players to share this task out between them.... Sharing the task does not decrease the total manhours and total cost. It even increases it slightly due to diminishing returns.
Mr Floydy wrote:As for carriers? Make yourself a insta dock bookmark then? You are entirely missing that point, you can warp out from your site before you are tackled if aligned. Bubbles make no difference to this. You could also jump to a cyno... Stop putting all your faith in bubbles, they're not going to help you when a wormhole corp rolls into you. Bubbles make a huge difference, they stall Sabre for extra 4 seconds you need to realize it's not one of yours, take control from fighters back to your carrier, find the required bookmark in right click menu and click it. They also delay the following fleet, making sure you have time to form, only the most extremely organized groups can form in under 5 minutes, and roamers are chickens and probably won't stick if there are more enemies than half their fleet size, so you need to ping for reinforcements to log in also. Overall this is extremely risk-free for roamers and bubbles are essential part of making this manageable.
And if you have rorquals, you better have bubbles at least 5 jumps out, or they're dead, fuk CCP. |
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:19:35 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting". Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it. Your call.
Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.
PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison. |
Dayala Gabriele Stargazer
Bration
0
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:31:23 -
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How about adding a fuel bay instead, that way people would still have to do something active. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2656
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:32:54 -
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it is sort of surreal seeing all the completely plebian ratting arrangements being thrown out as typical or even desirable itt
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2656
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:34:19 -
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like T3Cs for nullsec ratting, are you high
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Jacques Arkaral
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:48:10 -
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Not really seeing a problem with bubbles as is.
Perceived protection, well that's about exactly what they are, perceived not real. They create resistance to passage and that's about it.
Bubbles are easily overcome by the following
- Interdiction Nullification - Micro Jump Drive - Micro Jump Field - Pops your whole subcap fleet out - Cynosaural Fields for BLops, Capital and Titan Pushed fleets - Cyno Beacons for friendly transit.
Worm holes still open behind/away from the pre-placed mass bubble fields allowing clear access to the entire system.
zKill is replete with Mining fleet losses behind these bubble walls due to capable PvP players.
I understand that a long time ago Anomaly belts were previously cosmic sigs that had to be scanned down. Enough complaining ensued that they were converted to Anomalies which made hunting miners easier. It is now very little effort for them to just warp to the Ice Belt or biggest anom belt. This bubble change seems like more of the same.
CCP, I see the attraction to doing this. It is in line with the current goal to create a fully destructible environment. PvP players love it as it will reduce their effort and risk while increasing their reward at the expense of PvE players.
Please consider some actual play balance in this change. Simply nerfing the bubbles increases imbalance.
Here are some play balance considerations - - Cloaking - Eliminate all movement penalties to cloaking and replace with a duration timer of 10 minutes same as cyno with a cool down of 5 minutes reduced by skill or require fuel. - - Bring back Cosmic Sig Belts. [Seriously, how hard is it to scan a Rorqual down? BTW its self pointed for 5 minutes at a time] - - More damage inflicted by asteroid environment like we have with Mercoxit mining. Examples: * Collision damage from asteroids [Would require a change to individual asteroid warp in for all, maybe 100m offset] * Dust clouds that inflict damage at speed i.e. move faster than 100ms you suffer damage with exception to warping - - Allow tractor beams to tractor ships without affecting warp [Factor in Mass to determine what pulls what]
I really think many miners would like a standup fight vs being blobbed on by someones big stick fleet with ridiculously lopsided combat advantages.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3807
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:50:04 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Good start, though I'd like to see all bubbles die in 24 hours or less.
Now lets remove nullification from anything but an interceptor.
so you can rat in near complete safety just by having the system cyno jammed? no thanks unless you are going to add nullification to another ship that can fit cov ops cyno. not to mention how important nullified t3s are for WH
BLOPS Hauler
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
341
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:24:08 -
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Make them use ozone! |
Ruby Gnollo
15
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:34:50 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Balancing between the needs of different types of players is always a tightrope and all I can say is that we'll continue to work hard trying to thread that needle.
If we're talking abt rebalancing don't hide behind an so obviously-biased CSM or whatever noisy Reddit herd of the day. If CCP wants to do this, there is no need to pretend it's a request from the playerbase or whatever. This is YOUR game we are your customers, not your friends.
Do you want to make of Eve a game where so-called elite plexed cool players farm casual paying customers ? You wish to penalize preparation and planning at small teams level and help drunk roamers to find contents wherever the wormholes open in the rathole they love to hide into to avoid any consequencies ? Can't the so-called elite pvpers find targets by themselves amongst themselves and need lame ducks to shoot to go to sleep before getting sober ? This is perfectly fine : just don't forget that what makes Eve unique is the so-called "elite" gameplay. Otherwise said, casual players can easily find other games to play. On the long run, concentrating in one game the nerdiest playerbase is good for everybody.
But, hey, CCP : this is your choice : choose your customers & choose wisely. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
421
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:35:45 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting". Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it. Your call. Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour. PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.
If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk
Then you could afford more bubbles |
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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:46:58 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting". Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it. Your call. Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour. PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison. If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk Then you could afford more bubbles
If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3058
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:55:28 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk
Then you could afford more bubbles If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly. PvP is at the heart of all the most profitable enterprises in EvE.
Why do you think untold fleets of ships have been sacrificed to Bob at the foot of countless POSes? Hint: It wasn't for the good fights.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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James Zealot
ALEHEADS Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:57:06 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting". Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it. Your call. Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour. PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison. If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk Then you could afford more bubbles If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.
You're telling me you can log on, make like 10B or more in a night? You do the right kind of PvP or piracy lol, and you can make WAY more.
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Mr Floydy
Side Kicks The-Culture
339
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:57:29 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:And if you have rorquals, you better have bubbles at least 5 jumps out, or they're dead, fuk CCP. I know a fair few people who quite like using rorquals and getting tackled in them. With the panic mode they're a great content driver - they get tackled, call for support. Support comes in and kills/scares off attacker. Rorq carries on mining in happiness than the PvP guys in alliance love them :)
Sounds like your alliance has the wrong mentality tbh. |
James Zealot
ALEHEADS Apocalypse Now.
37
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:58:55 -
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Ruby Gnollo wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Balancing between the needs of different types of players is always a tightrope and all I can say is that we'll continue to work hard trying to thread that needle. If we're talking abt rebalancing don't hide behind an so obviously-biased CSM or whatever noisy Reddit herd of the day. If CCP wants to do this, there is no need to pretend it's a request from the playerbase or whatever. This is YOUR game we are your customers, not your friends. Do you want to make of Eve a game where so-called elite plexed cool players farm casual paying customers ? You wish to penalize preparation and planning at small teams level and help drunk roamers to find contents wherever the wormholes open in the rathole they love to hide into to avoid any consequencies ? Can't the so-called elite pvpers find targets by themselves amongst themselves and need lame ducks to shoot to go to sleep before getting sober ? This is perfectly fine : just don't forget that what makes Eve unique is the so-called "elite" gameplay. Otherwise said, casual players can easily find other games to play. On the long run, concentrating in one game the nerdiest playerbase is good for everybody. But, hey, CCP : this is your choice : choose your customers & choose wisely.
Someone get this guy a bucket for all those tears! I think you're mixing CCP up with parents and the players as children. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
421
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:16:08 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting". Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it. Your call. Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour. PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison. If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk Then you could afford more bubbles If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.
Literally 45 seconds of work
https://zkillboard.com/kill/49662844/ |
James Zealot
ALEHEADS Apocalypse Now.
38
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:20:33 -
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Literally 45 seconds of work
https://zkillboard.com/kill/49662844/
To be fair, you'd have to split that 37 times :P Still can't get that for 45 seconds of work in PvE :P |
Broken December
Corescape Inc. Blades of Grass
2
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:35:02 -
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I like it !!!! |
Ruby Gnollo
15
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:46:05 -
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James Zealot wrote: Someone get this guy a bucket for all those tears! I think you're mixing CCP up with parents and the players as children.
Maybe the most overused personal attack of all Eve. Do you have another trick to show the public or should we please stick to the subject and maybe even arguments ? |
zyalino
Stardust Heavy Industries ChaosTheory.
14
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Posted - 2017.02.22 19:48:14 -
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because i too don't know how this change will work out once it's deployed, i want to suggest that a longer lifetime, combined with a higher price and lesser hp might lead to the same vision of a bubblefree nullsec; though it might encourage more players to activly "hunt" bubbles.
nullification, btw, should not be removed, but a new (let's say t3) bubble type, and or dictor probe, should be introduced that targets nullified ships but not normal ones.
whatever
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
423
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Posted - 2017.02.22 20:56:34 -
[201] - Quote
Nah, I supplied all the ships and ran the operation, I gave out some door prizes along the way |
Chani K'ynes
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.02.22 21:48:45 -
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A couple of ideas Has CCP considered adding a decay system based on the number of bubbles in system in system. So in an intense battle a system can be bubbled to crap without issue. But random systems with a 100 km of bubbles after the gate will be hard to maintain. (lore reason em interference requires more power to run the bubble blah blah).
The mechanic where you drop out of warp because a bubble existed when that warp was initiated is totally understandable from a computing point of view, but is a mechanic CCP wants to maintain ?
whilst changes are been made, is it time for bubbles that can pull people out of warp at any point in the warp? It would make for some interesting traps it could be a boon for solo pvp.
Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly. Oh crap! the fly is a vindicator warp warp |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2873
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:30:12 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Now lets remove nullification from anything but an interceptor. Oh the amount of playstyles you have to be ignorant of to even suggest this makes me lol PS: Lots of us dont care about how frustrating nullified combat ships might have been for nullblob people. Two things this game definitely absolutely needs to keep having are nullified covert cyno ships and nullified probers.
Pro tip: Defending your playstyle is expected, defending a broken mechanic because it makes your life easier though, nobody honestly gives a **** about you needing or wanting nullified cynos or probers.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Tabyll Altol
Vision Inc Hole Control
183
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:43:02 -
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Good approach but why so long. I would rather make it 12/24/48 h. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1604
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:03:45 -
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Jacques Arkaral wrote:Lets trade
Bubble timers get implemented per design of this thread. Cloaking devices require fuel or they get Activation Time/Duration timers and Reactivation Delays.
Cloaks already have reactivation delays. AFAIK, it's 30 seconds for all of them.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Old Pervert
Perkone Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:11:52 -
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I could kiss someone for the changes coming. Make the timers half as long as they are now and it'd be french.
I also agree with Chani K'ynes, having bubbles break warp at any point in the path would be exceptionally useful for solo players and small gangs in nullsec... if the timer was reduced to about 60 seconds "unattended".
A Pilgrim and a bomber sitting on a bubble in a system... if you like the fight, the bomber decloaks for fast tackle, while the reconfig timer goes down on the recon. Lights out for the warping dude, which is totally his fault for warping gate-to-gate in null with neuts in system.
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skull scar
Ember Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
21
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Posted - 2017.02.22 23:33:22 -
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SOOOOOOOO Much **** wtf!!!!!!!! You guys have not better to do???????????? All duds in Wormholes hate you ccp!!!! I hope many delet eve!!!!!!! so much **** updates -.- only good for the noobs and new players!!! |
Cade Windstalker
873
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Posted - 2017.02.23 00:46:27 -
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Old Pervert wrote:I could kiss someone for the changes coming. Make the timers half as long as they are now and it'd be french.
I also agree with Chani K'ynes, having bubbles break warp at any point in the path would be exceptionally useful for solo players and small gangs in nullsec... if the timer was reduced to about 60 seconds "unattended".
A Pilgrim and a bomber sitting on a bubble in a system... if you like the fight, the bomber decloaks for fast tackle, while the reconfig timer goes down on the recon. Lights out for the warping dude, which is totally his fault for warping gate-to-gate in null with neuts in system.
They literally just fixed this a few patches back because there's nothing to stop you from dropping someone out of warp directly on a Citadel. If you put this in it would take about a day to have a Citadel anchored up along a major route with a HIC (or something) set up in front of it ready to grab and kill anyone warping through. |
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
4
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Posted - 2017.02.23 08:58:59 -
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Woah that means
Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money =)
And tbh it is nice that CCP finally want to do something for economic! I think there is nothing worse that anchoring something small in space which is easly replaceble....and it's stay.... forever; |
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:03:31 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Woah that means
Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money Money money money =)
And tbh it is nice that CCP finally want to do something for economic! I think there is nothing worse that anchoring something small in space which is easly replaceble....and it's stay.... forever;
No, that means
Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind Grind grind grind
And tbh it sucks that CCP finally went down to introducing dumb grind. I think there is nothing worse than imposing a 4+ billion and 60 manhour cost on one constellation of people without batphones. |
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