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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:43:53 -
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Here's the argument, this was posted in the Assembly Hall.
Black Pedro wrote:
Highsec has been unsafe for almost 13 years and the game has not ground to a halt. If anything, the game grew faster at times when highsec was less safe earlier in Eve's history. Suicide ganking (and other conflict) facilitates the competition that gives things value in this game. It makes the game much more interesting by meaning the players that min/max production most efficiently don't always win - defending your stuff is a concern which you as a producer/industrialist have to balance against pure yield. This conflict literally prevents the economy from being driven into the ground by overproduction and gives our virtual assets meaning.
For years Gankers have been spewing out this argument, and apparently for just as long people and players have been daunted by it, no doubt, because they have been unable to gather information to contradict it. CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments.
When I first bought my first Pirate Battleship it cost over 1 Billion Isk. The Machariel was awesome! Well worth the price. However, almost immediately after buying my first pirate BS the price of them began to drop, and has been dropping steadily ever since. Right now, the pirate battleships are selling for just over 300mil isk. And if this trend continues the price of a Pirate Battleship will drop to below the price of a T1 Battleship! Clearly, the Pirate Battleship are being over-produced and the price of them is being driven into the ground.
At the same time, the price of T1 Battleship has risen slowly and the price of Maruaders has held steady at well over 1 Billion ISK.
It is the price of Pirate Battleship that proves the absurdity of the ganker argument, that ganking maintains the value of items in the game! Ganking doesn't maintain anything! Ganking drives away players and has NO benefit for the game whatsoever!
And the reason why the price of Pirate Battleship is going down is because they are being OVER-PRODUCED in Low and Null Sec! Because it is in Low Sec and Null Sec where there is NO competition! Low Sec and Null Sec players are greedily, voraciously farming LP with the pirate factions then turning that LP into Pirate ships which they are literally flooding the market with. I bet they don't even notice the steady drop in price!!!
Why aren't the shining, holy Gankers riding to the rescue of the market and Ganking the corps and players that are farming pirate LP and protecting the market from being driven into the ground which is the righteous, holy quest of the Gankers???
Because ... you're ... full ... of ... ......!!!
The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!
Trying to justify taking other kids' lunch-money by saying its good for the school economy!
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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:13:02 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:IB4L?
I mean really, how batshit crazy do you have to be to conflate pirate BS prices, ganking, and safety in high sec? Shouldn't you be asking the Suicide Gankers who claim that Suicide Ganking protects the market from being driven into the ground???
How Batshit crazy do you have to be to NOT understand that???
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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.22 18:23:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
And then he displays more ignorance by suggesting that pirate battleships will cost less than T1. Meaning he doesn't understand how the price of something can't dip below the cost of the materials used to build it.... Pirate battleships were way overpriced do to scarcity, they are cheaper now because of CCP increasing escalation chances.
Also, Material wise, Pirate Battleship require less materials to produce that a T1 Battleship! Therefore, the Price of a Pirate Battleship CAN fall to below the price of a T1 Battleship!
Who displays Ignorance???
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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.22 21:10:06 -
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Torin Corax wrote:So, does the Op want people to suicide-gank more Machariels then?
I'm sure that could be arranged.
Indeed. Since Ganking protects the value of ships, let's see the righteous Suicide Gankers work their market magic and gank the Machariel back to above 1 Billion isk.
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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:36:35 -
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Eve Griefer wrote:Spenser for Hire wrote:
The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!
If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment. Profit is all the reason needed. the simplicity and the honesty are definitely appreciated.
And once again, EVE Online's so-called "Risk Vs. Reward" ethos is proven to be yet another of the myths that abound.
20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!
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