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Acronikosvz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:52:00 -
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Not a whine before you scream, but why is there some what million subscribers and only 200,000 EvE subs. Just for intrest, Is it because of 1st looks, and the colourfui surroundings... Any MMO'ist with a fair mind would say that EvE has many more aspects of MMO and therefore is a far better MMO, but why so less in EvE compared to WoW... Because if it is appearences they are looking for, I regret saying the station designs is a bad idea, it will probably attract alot of WoW diseased minds to the light.
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Ma'Kur Pridar
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:53:00 -
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Because kids love night elves.
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Acronikosvz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:54:00 -
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Constructive replys ? Oh yeh, that is constructive :P - |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/04/2007 11:52:02 How can you even ask such a question ? The answer is obvious.
First, the brand name(s). Blizzard. Warcraft. And afterwards, the "herd effect". People go where people are. _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 27/04/2007 11:55:11
it's a very good game. excellent reviews and strong word of mouth recommendations.
throw an eight figure marketing budget, brand loyalty and a good deal of MMO hype into the mix and you've got yourself a metric ****ton of subscribers.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 11:55:47 Well...my fav subject again
First off, don't worry, i'm not a 13 year old WoW fanboi, actually i'm a middleaged white, single EVE lover as the rest of you perverts
What brings people into WoW is kinda layered cake:
1: Warcraft. It has a HUGE fanbase compared to EVE's...err...none. There is no prequal to EVE universe. If this was X-Wing Online, then it would have. 2: Best MMO around, in fantasy that is. It simply is one of the best, largest, working and versitile fantasy rpg out there. 3: The fanbase for Warcraft was big, this brings a starting number of subs big, which brings more customers. Not to mention that blizzard is known for good service, good games and all around good stuff. Warcraft, starcraft, diablo series...all hits. WoW is no different in peoples eyes.
EVE is in no way an underdog, as this is one world, and in no need for additional servers. It's just growing slower and the clientbase a bit more, not adult(in NO way), but "non-old fashioned"
Oh and, EVE has better things then WoW, WoW has better things then EVE, it all balances out quite nicely if you play both with "vigor".
When i'm bored with EVE, i play WoW, when i bore of WoW, i go to EVE and so forth.
Until tabula rasa comes...
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Acronikosvz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 11:59:00 -
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Hmmm, what is the population structure of europe as a whole who are children, as of what we know, most WoW immature players are children, so the larger amount of children want primary colours and nightelfs giving BJ's to gnomes... Were the smaller older aged portion is not really gaming, for obvious reasons, as they have jobs, children and more pressing issues to tend to rather than games. But that is a one sided opinion, as 200,000 players in EvE are probably like 18+ - |
ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Acronikosvz Hmmm, what is the population structure of europe as a whole who are children, as of what we know, most WoW immature players are children, so the larger amount of children want primary colours and nightelfs giving BJ's to gnomes... Were the smaller older aged portion is not really gaming, for obvious reasons, as they have jobs, children and more pressing issues to tend to rather than games. But that is a one sided opinion, as 200,000 players in EvE are probably like 18+
i think the average age for WoW players was something like 22-28.
did you ever play WoW beyond the free trial?
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Acronikosvz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Well...my fav subject again
First off, don't worry, i'm not a 13 year old WoW fanboi, actually i'm a middleaged white, single EVE lover as the rest of you perverts
What brings people into WoW is kinda layered cake:
1: Warcraft. It has a HUGE fanbase compared to EVE's...err...none. There is no prequal to EVE universe. If this was X-Wing Online, then it would have. 2: Best MMO around, in fantasy that is. It simply is one of the best, largest, working and versitile fantasy rpg out there. 3: The fanbase for Warcraft was big, this brings a starting number of subs big, which brings more customers. Not to mention that blizzard is known for good service, good games and all around good stuff. Warcraft, starcraft, diablo series...all hits. WoW is no different in peoples eyes.
EVE is in no way an underdog, as this is one world, and in no need for additional servers. It's just growing slower and the clientbase a bit more, not adult(in NO way), but "non-old fashioned"
Nice the hear it ^^ I am 15 myself, but WoW really isnt my type of gaming at all, and those sort of games dont pull my strings, let say more intellectual games give better gaming experience. - |
Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:00:00 -
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No one loses, everybody is a winner. No hard feelings, no sense of fear, or dread, or loathing, pvp is painless and cheap fun.
There is no stress, no need to be unique or driven to succeed in the game. The biggest challenge is assembling the required characters to perform a scripted (on both sides) battle with npcs where you know exactly what to do.
There are no calls at 04:00 saying that towers are in reinforced, no having to sit docked because you're out of cash and can't enjoy pvp any more, no having to alter your entire playstyle and way of enjoying a game because of the choices of others.
It's a magical mystical sandbox where nothing can hurt you and you can hide from the mean, mean people in the world and not have to worry about... well, anything, except maybe the minor inconvenience of walking back to where you were from a respawn point.
For the general populace, what's not to like?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 11:58:38
Originally by: Acronikosvz Hmmm, what is the population structure of europe as a whole who are children, as of what we know, most WoW immature players are children, so the larger amount of children want primary colours and nightelfs giving BJ's to gnomes... Were the smaller older aged portion is not really gaming, for obvious reasons, as they have jobs, children and more pressing issues to tend to rather than games. But that is a one sided opinion, as 200,000 players in EvE are probably like 18+
Actually a misconception there.
There are no more kids in wow then there are in EVE. I've seen more immature brats around these parts then in WoW. It's just, well, there's more of them there.
I bet if you took percentage readings of the ages in WoW and EVE it would come around same.
And to what Alexi said, those are all points that make EVE a dumb, stupid, annoying game at times.
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Blytz
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:02:00 -
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There are a lot of variables in this but essentially what WoW has in its favor (for mass appeal) is a low learning curve, a very forgiving PVP system, its fantasy genre and the already large following that Blizzard has created over the years.
Blizzard has done a very good job on catering for the mass market. Its what WoW is for and as far as it goes its rivals (such as they are) simply cannot yet see a way to top it. They will emulate it for another two years or so (LOTR a good example) and then I would hope to see something new come to the table.
CCP also do what they do well but thier market slice with Eve will always be small. Its Graphic style, whilst pleasing to the eye, does not lend itself to the fast action control systems of other MMOS. Its Sci-Fi and thus will (by sheer cultural Demographics) always come second to Fantasy and its also not cheap.
What Eve will do over and above WoW and this is a personal opinion, is give a longer lasting sense of achievment and involvement. This makes for loyal customers and regular pay-checks for CCP.
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Acronikosvz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Acronikosvz Hmmm, what is the population structure of europe as a whole who are children, as of what we know, most WoW immature players are children, so the larger amount of children want primary colours and nightelfs giving BJ's to gnomes... Were the smaller older aged portion is not really gaming, for obvious reasons, as they have jobs, children and more pressing issues to tend to rather than games. But that is a one sided opinion, as 200,000 players in EvE are probably like 18+
i think the average age for WoW players was something like 22-28.
did you ever play WoW beyond the free trial?
Yes, I got to lvl 50 twice. A huge portion of those people are not, I repeat are not 22+... Maybe a few 40 year olds, but 80% are children, why do you think its so much like kinda-garten playing WoW... Adults dont infect themselves to go immature and shout WTS VIRGINTY on yell chat do they. - |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 27/04/2007 12:01:16 WoW is a different style to EVE.
EVE is very freeform, there's no specific objectives. Some people like that, some don't. I've had people ask 'what should I do' in EVE. Oh, and it's also high penalty, and PvP. It's not so much a PvP game, as a real time strategy game. there's aspects of resource management, logistics, strategy and planning. It's pretty hardcore. You don't really play EVE for 10 minute or half hour sessions.
WOW is ... well the analogy I've seen used, is themepark. It's got rides, that you go on. Rides are fun. Rides give you prizes. You get to 'have your own turn' on the ride, maybe with your friends.
There's a certain amount of publicity and 'prettiness' that serves as a driver, but ... I think it's mostly game style. EVE pretty much requires that you're competing with other players, and encourages 'unfair' fighting, and machiavellian manipulation. There's diplomacy, there's politics, and there's reputation. It's all one server, so you can become famous, or infamous, or just widely known as an idiot.
This appeals to some, and not others. Personally, I feel this is fine. I like the aspects that EVE offers. I'm sure I'd probably enjoy playing WoW if I had the time, but I still think I'd be back on EVE after I'm bored.
Oh, and of course, there's the fairly key distinction of Fantasy Vs. Sci-Fi.
And the fact that you can ogle night elf chicks.
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ee21k
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: ee21k on 27/04/2007 12:03:35
Originally by: Acronikosvz Not a whine before you scream, but why is there some what million subscribers and only 200,000 EvE subs. Just for intrest, Is it because of 1st looks, and the colourfui surroundings... Any MMO'ist with a fair mind would say that EvE has many more aspects of MMO and therefore is a far better MMO, but why so less in EvE compared to WoW... Because if it is appearences they are looking for, I regret saying the station designs is a bad idea, it will probably attract alot of WoW diseased minds to the light.
What do you think?
Probably because Blizzard marketing department list all accounts ever created (including trials) that dont get banned as "active accounts". Even if no-one has played 'em in 2 years.
I believe their active paying account numbers hover about the 900,000 user mark. Though I think they broke the million when burning crusade launched.
Anyways.... To answer your question: Creative accounting and reporting of figures.
edited for spelling.
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Kristiana Lee
Caldari Gallente Equipment And Resources
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:05:00 -
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I wonder if its something to do with marketing? I haven't seen eve advertised at all, and only found it through a games programme on tv.
I wonder, if the client base gets bigger, will the devs consider 'sharding' eve to accommodate more clients. Perhaps when we start walking in stations?
K
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 12:02:34 Oh and one big thing is, WoW has roleplay in it(which i hope walk in stations fixes).
You can't roleplay a lvoestory with two harbingers on a belt
The community is quite a big part of WoW, and fantasy, and that it's roleplay.
In EVE universe, you roleplay, you're a weirdo.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 27/04/2007 12:09:06
Originally by: Acronikosvz Yes, I got to lvl 50 twice.
then you never really played WoW - most of the content beyond deathly dull NPC missions was in the endgame. I'm sure it's changed now, but in the first year after release it was simply a couple of weeks grinding 60, followed by a few months farming epics in MC, then BWL, then PvP rank.
Surprisingly, this was all good fun the first time around.
Quote: A huge portion of those people are not, I repeat are not 22+... Maybe a few 40 year olds, but 80% are children
honestly, you're wrong.
Quote: Adults dont infect themselves to go immature and shout WTS VIRGINTY on yell chat do they.
wanna bet?
also (and don't take this personally) but if you're 15 i'd consider you a child, which makes your assertions that WoW is played entirely by 'children' slightly mystifying, since in the entire time i played wow i didn't run into many players younger than you.
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ee21k
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Acronikosvz WTS VIRGINTY
I'd pay fifty dollars for one!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 12:06:45 And then there's the biggie i forgot also, there's actually a story in the quests in EVE. There's no point or storyline(well much) in the missions of EVE. 1,2,3,1,2,3...ding level 2. 1,2,3,1,2,3....ding level 3 missions.
I miss those multisectioned wow quests where there's actually a written, long thought out story behind it.
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Gerog
Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gerog on 27/04/2007 12:17:42 Edited by: Gerog on 27/04/2007 12:13:48 I think what attracts people to WoW is that's its easy to pick up, even a 7 year old can play it. It has a sort of familiar setting, like D&D coupled with the fact that Blizzrd made Warcraft/Starcraft back in the early '90s, which is a brand name that people recognize with. Both games are classic for their time period. Everyone who saw that they were making a MMORPG, jumped at the chance to explore this setting online. God forbid if they ever make a Starcraft MMO.
EvE Online takes patience and a lot of learning. It also take a certain attitude to prosper here. You can't just be in this game for a few months and get the highest level character. You have to test out everything, see what role you like to play, then proceed from there. There really isn't a "endgame" to EvE either. You can go from one profession to another, just by changing which skills you are learning.
Death in this game is very costly too. You just bounce back, Say you lost a Dread & got podded with +4 implants on & forgot to update your "death clone". Not only have you lost billions of isk, but also the time spent training up all those skills, which I think turns people off. But, whatever, they can stay in WoW and we can keep EvE to ourselves.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 27/04/2007 12:14:01
Originally by: Acronikosvz Not a whine before you scream, but why is there some what million subscribers and only 200,000 EvE subs.
I could tell you why Guild Wars has so many more people than Eve but I'd prolly get banned.
No idea why WoW is so successfull. I tried it for two minutes and was put off by the comic graphics, the sterile-seeming world and the outlook of many hours of fedex missions. Maybe a combination of marketing, media coverage, general "cuteness", some word of mouth, and the fact that you don't get killed on your first day in your newly grinded ship erm I mean armor by some guy in a command ship erm I mean by some level 60 paladin with a ray of death or something.
Or maybe its just that CNN says some girls play WoW, too.
I wouldn't call Eve the "light" though. Other games do many things right, actually more things right, but with a different design philosophy. --
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:20:00 -
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Really, would anyone want a WoW sized player population in EvE? You think Jita is crowded now?
I never played WoW but when it came out, I was in DAOC and I remember a lot of players who tried both games say that one of the cool things about WoW was it's quest system and how it was "revolutionary" compared to what was out on the market. However, once you got to lvl 60 in WoW, the game became stale and all that was left to do was grind out some sort of raids to get items or something. I heard the PvP sucks monkey #$@! too.
The thing about EvE is it will never be one of those games that will appeal to everyone and will probably remain sort of a niche game. Simply because there will always be players who dislike losing their stuff and don't like risks. Hell we have those types of people in this game already. They are called Mission Runners.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 12:18:52 One thing to remember is that EVE ain't perfect, not by a long shot, the loosing of ones ship at any point...could even be a bad thing. And is at times.
But, since it's "our" game it's the "best".
That's what this all comes down to, fanboi'ism
By the by, if they made starcontrol online, i'd dump EVE faster then a pair of old undies
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EvilSyKOSkitzo
Durus Scelus
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Acronikosvz Not a whine before you scream, but why is there some what million subscribers and only 200,000 EvE subs. Just for intrest, Is it because of 1st looks, and the colourfui surroundings... Any MMO'ist with a fair mind would say that EvE has many more aspects of MMO and therefore is a far better MMO, but why so less in EvE compared to WoW... Because if it is appearences they are looking for, I regret saying the station designs is a bad idea, it will probably attract alot of WoW diseased minds to the light.
What do you think?
Well mate,
I have known people who have lost years of work in EVE due to one mistake, one gank, one scam, etc, etc.
In WOW you don't have to worry about that sort of thing really.
Sure, you can die but your body is around the corner. Sure you can get scammed but hey go grind for an hour afterwards and the final thing is.
Space is cold. And, Azeroth or what ever you call it is warm and fuzzy. And, it hugs you when your all alone.
While EVE will tear your arm off at the first chance it gets.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:24:00 -
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You know the main thing Eve is missing?
We need a "ding" sound when we finish a skill train!
I quite fancy trying WoW or Guild Wars, just to flip between in the times I get a bit bored with Eve, or the week after patches when the missions are all settling down.
Off topic, and I don't want to derail things, but does anyone know whether I need to buy all 4 Guild Wars packs, or just the latest? And if the latter, does it restrict me in any way?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:26:00 -
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That's the funny part, just 'cause you can't lose everything in WoW, makes it a "kiddie sandbox game"...like every other MMO out there?
And just 'cause you CAN lose everything in EVE, makes it the bestest, adult, hardcore game of all time. Seriously. If you don't want to lose a ship in EVE, you don't. It's not that "hardcore".
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:33:00 -
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- WoW has several orders of magnitude more content - WoW doesn't have huge technical issues that have more impact on the outcome of stuff like fleet battles than player numbers, skill, ships ... (i.e. lag)
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Protectories
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:35:00 -
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When u are killed you lose almost nothing, unlike eve where u lose everything
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Gerog
Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid You know the main thing Eve is missing?
We need a "ding" sound when we finish a skill train!
Um, "Skill Training Complete"
Ever get that when you're online when it happens? Lovely voice btw.
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SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:42:00 -
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Wow consists of 2 parts: Leveling up and Endgame raiding
While you never read much about them in the gaming press, there are LOTS of people that still aren't lvl 50 because they play like 2-3 hours per week, yet they pay the same amount of cash as someone playing 40+ hours per week.
On the other side there is the raiding content. You spend lots of tome grinding on that.
Blizzard did a good job on catering both types of players. Another aspect to compare MMOs is if they are based on guided experience (theme parks) or sandbox styled. The average guy that comes from work doesn't want to spend too much time thinking about a videogame prefers the guided experience.
Eve, is more sandbox styled. The small guided experience part of eve are missions, and guess what, most of the non hardcore eve-players stick to mission running. ___
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Acronikosvz only 200,000 EvE subs.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: ee21k Probably because Blizzard marketing department list all accounts ever created (including trials) that dont get banned as "active accounts". Even if no-one has played 'em in 2 years.
fwiw I don't trust ANY figures of these kind unless I'm the dba and have personally run the query :p --
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:44:00 -
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WoW is a game, Eve is a virtual RL.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones You can't roleplay a lvoestory with two harbingers on a belt
Nope. But prolly somewhere in a noob corp chat some kid got into an excited fantasy when a Cerb bumped a Domi --
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SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 12:02:34
The community is quite a big part of WoW, and fantasy, and that it's roleplay.
In EVE universe, you roleplay, you're a weirdo.
The roleplaying CVA and NMTZ pull off in eve is a ton cooler than that *** stuff that happens on WoW RP-servers ___
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: ee21k
Originally by: Acronikosvz WTS VIRGIN
I'd pay fifty dollars for one!
There. Fixed. --
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain Really, would anyone want a WoW sized player population in EvE? You think Jita is crowded now?
Isn't that just another way of saying that Eve doesn't scale well? --
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 12:45:53 I guess as a summary, one could say, the good parts of EVE are the things keeping others away and the good parts of WoW are the things that EVE players dislike.
Different strokes.
Kinda like comparing a hardcore battlefield player to a massive player
Though have to say, 7 million people in EVE would require alot more, possibly even multiple servers and...well...there goes that speciality.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:50:00 -
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WoW role-playing is, for the most part, pretty ****.
then again, i don't know how good the general standard of roleplaying in Eve is either. Certainly some is ace, but it mostly seems to involve shouting about slaves.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:50:00 -
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Instant gratification. Push a button, get a reward. The system gets more and more complex each step, but the base idea stays the same. Whenever you log on, you can get your fix by just pushing the button... And you can lose nothing in pvp while you get to pound ppl to bits.
In eve you need the same things as in real life. Patience, wits, risk managment. It's a lot more challenging and rewarding, but it is not as easy... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus In eve you need the same things as in real life. Patience, wits, risk managment. It's a lot more challenging and rewarding, but it is not as easy...
Well actually if you take EVE down a bit...
Train skills, get isk, buy stuff, lose stuff, get better stuff.
Every game can be ruined by simplification.
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Lacihtenu
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Acronikosvz Hmmm, what is the population structure of europe as a whole who are children, as of what we know, most WoW immature players are children, so the larger amount of children want primary colours and nightelfs giving BJ's to gnomes... Were the smaller older aged portion is not really gaming, for obvious reasons, as they have jobs, children and more pressing issues to tend to rather than games. But that is a one sided opinion, as 200,000 players in EvE are probably like 18+
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
At least 60% of the WoW population consists of kids. Kids want instant gratification and Uberness. WoW provides that (lvl 70 achievable in a couple of weeks) and EVE doesn't. Kids don't have the patience for EVE and get bored fast...thank God.
The other half of WoW's subscribers consist of adults that were looking for something to relax with after work, etc, and college kids who wanted a game to let off the steam of classes that as with kids, is easy to get into and get high lvl fast, even with a class work load. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Taniv
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:08:00 -
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I played WoW for a while, and I play Guild Wars and have since release (It helps that there is no monthly fee, I never really consider myself to have quit).
Both games allow for something Eve does not: fast action. I enjoy logging into Guild Wars just for some PvP, in Eve I often find that I need to go out searching for good PvP (or worse, wait for it).
Originally by: Bistot Kid
Off topic, and I don't want to derail things, but does anyone know whether I need to buy all 4 Guild Wars packs, or just the latest? And if the latter, does it restrict me in any way?
There are 3 currently released Guild Wars packs, they share the same 5 classes, and a certain subset of available items and skills. Each one has a different storyline and the later 2 have 2 additional classes each. There are also a few skills only available in specific campaigns.
You can play any one of them, and PvP with people in the whole game (though limited to your selection of classes and skills). If you have all 3, any character can gain access to any skill or storyline.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well actually if you take EVE down a bit...
Train skills, get isk, buy stuff, lose stuff, get better stuff.
Every game can be ruined by simplification.
Eve does not have the "his 10 higher levels then you, so there is no way you can ever hit him" kind of balancing. The difference between a 4 month character and 6 month character is slim, and even slimmer for 6 month 12 month. The principle of diminishing returns means you cannot just rely on IG skills to pull you out of trouble, your own skills of situation assesment etc are much more important. If you compare a lvl 40 to lvl 50 (or 50vs60)wow characters, the lvl 40 stands no chance in hell. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:13:00 -
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It is a nearly bug free game that runs well on most computers with any lag. It is a fairly straight forward and simple MMOG that is easy for new players to pick-up and understand. Leveling is easy and fast and you hit end game quickly. It is really a good game, but I just got bored after two years as it is not deep enough. I love Eve because of 0.0 space and how players control what happens completey. I do not know why anyone who sits in Empire plays this game, as the PvE side of Eve sucks more than any MMOG I have ever played and I have played them all.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:29:00 -
[47]
I have to preface my reply by stating that Eve is the first online game I played since the mid '90s when I played MUSHes such as Texas Twilight and Cajun Nights. I was born too old to enjoy much of what goes on in online communities. I was pulled into the Eve beta by some friends, and have stuck around, switching accounts from time to time as I got bored.
It's actually pretty simple why Eve doesn't have a million subscribers. And that is, Eve is not mass market.
CCP does not try to challenge other game creators. They have a niche game, one that some people like but many don't because it requires much thinking, teamwork and a competitive edge to really enjoy.
Hell, back in the day you had to consider spreadsheeting a recreational activity to really be a factory manager or a trader.
The devs intentionally do not document changes-- they want players to explore things and figure the rules out for themselves. It is up to players to help teach one another tricks of the trade.
Although ISK and standings can be grinded for, and often are, one is still limited by the amount of sps one has. I know I can buy a battleship at this point-- but I can't fly it yet, and it will be several more months before I can fly one competently. In the meantime there are other things to explore. But I have to figure them out for myself.
This kind of gameplay is not geared toward mass market. Eve will probably never hit 1 million subs, because it is harsh, dark and unforgiving. But for a lot of the players, that is why we are here. Yeah, there's probably a good dose of elitism going on, and there's definitely an old-boy network that perpetuates power within the Eve universe. I've never been a part of that, because I dislike politics on that scale. But social networking is hugely important in Eve.
Oh, and I did try the trial for Guild Wars handed out at GenCon Indy last year (a CD with the client). After spending a week trying to figure out how to find a help channel (failed), find any additional chat channels (failed), trying to find out keyboard commands (failed), watching a townful of idiots dancing and ignoring all questions, going to the GW website to find forums and additional tutorials (nothing there), I gained a new appreciation for what we have here and resolved to not stray again.
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Kasilof
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:46:00 -
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Because it is a great game and it is fun to play. The world while cartoony really looks well. The game runs well on an average computere and the interface is easy to use.
There are also many optionns in how to play the game. PVE and PVP servers, Battlegrounds galore, solo content, group content, and raid content. Blizzards has not locked any group of players out.
Blizzard also has a superb marketing machine. Many people think its all marketing and while it helps you can not achieve the success WOW has unless the underlying product is good too.
EVE has it charms too of course. However the learning curve is steep. I think the fixing and updating the horrible interface in EVE would help it retain more players. Mouse click to move in this day and age Yikes.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 27/04/2007 13:49:34
Originally by: Laboratus Eve does not have the "his 10 higher levels then you, so there is no way you can ever hit him" kind of balancing. The difference between a 4 month character and 6 month character is slim, and even slimmer for 6 month 12 month. The principle of diminishing returns means you cannot just rely on IG skills to pull you out of trouble, your own skills of situation assesment etc are much more important. If you compare a lvl 40 to lvl 50 (or 50vs60)wow characters, the lvl 40 stands no chance in hell.
but that kind of level-disparate organic PvP doesn't happen very much in WoW unless people go looking for it, and the way the honour system works farming lower level characters is pretty pointless outside griefing, and there are millions of more entertaining ways to do that.
players of similar levels tend to find themselves channelled in the same areas of Azeroth by design rather than any happy accident, and the vast majority of PvP takes place in the battlegrounds anyway, which have been structured so you only ever fight against players of an appropriate level.
WoW pvp is actually really well balanced (any class issues aside, wow fans) and has far less ganking than eve, which is totally blobtastic.
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Miri Sirtis
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:53:00 -
[50]
I think a big part of wow popularity is that it really made MMOs mainstream and accessible to the general public... Most people I talked to in WoW said it was their first MMO. And your first mmo is the the one you play the longest(most of time time anyway).
I think EvE is just too deep for most people. They play MMOs not to be challenged and having to concentrate but just to relax and do something mindless.
I've played almost every MMO out there and I have to say that Eve, WoW and AO are the only ones that could hold me longer than 3 months...
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Oosel
Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 13:55:00 -
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dont forget its easier to get your mrs to play wow than it is to play eve.........wow has you instantly playing and with endless girly add ons for them they lap it up
not a chance you will get many women to like eve right out of the box with its massive learning curve and id rather be playing wow than not able to play anything at all because its not something the other half likes lol
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:15:00 -
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1. A good product. Or, at least "good enough". And you must note that having RL friends playing the same game already might be percieved as very important by the new player.
2. Established brand names. Blizzard and Warcraft were both wellknown and highly regarded long before there was a WoW.
3. A huge warchest to spend on marketing communication (plus the huge network Blizzard and Vivendi already had).
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Kyo Dai
Caldari Knights of the Industrial Order
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kyo Dai on 27/04/2007 14:16:38 While I am seeing a lot of constructive responses on this thread I am also seeing a lot of people with MMORPG envy. According to Blizzard (biased) and many other non or less biased sources WoW may have as many as 8 million "active" accounts. You can claim that Blizz is lying but any way you look at it WoW has Eve outnumbered by well over 10 to 1.....so what. WoW is fun to play for so many reasons. As a fantasy game it is really well designed. The world is visually stunning, with each area having its own soundtrack and thematic elements. The character progression is just fast enough to keep you hooked and Blizz has linked much of your progression to time intensive gear collecting. Because the avatar is humanoid and relatively expressive, in comparison to Eve, player interaction has a few layers of depth to it that Eve lacks. Combine that with a simple crafting system, reputation grinds for special gear, static instances with various degrees of difficulty and you get a game that allows someone new to an MMorpg or a game with more complexity that your average first person shooter to enter and master the genre. Blizz has also set up the opening areas to introduce new players to the game in a very engaging and safe way. Finally, WoW is a fantasy game....look at the popularity of the LotR series atm. By this point I am sure many of you Eve "purists" will have a few nasty things to say about WoW. Go ahead, if you must but these are the reasons Blizz has over 8 million active accounts atm. I am not saying WoW is better than Eve....my WoW account is inactive atm so it would seem I have chosen EvE. What I am saying is that the people at Blizz did a great job of designing an addictive and accessible MMORPG.
Now Eve is only like WoW in the abstract. What Eve offers is a level of complexity that WoW could never and WILL NEVER try to match. Eve is for hardcore gamers. Eve is an experiment in group dynamics, economics and manifestations of power. Whenever someone on the WoW forums starts swinging their e-peen about the place and talking about ho bad they are at PvP I would always tell them to shut it and go give Eve a try. Blizz keeps the populations of Azeroth on a tight leash. Eve is an experiment in digital Natural Selection. When I cam to Eve I was told that only the deepest, darkest dorks could handle it. True words.
Kyo
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gerog
Originally by: Bistot Kid You know the main thing Eve is missing?
We need a "ding" sound when we finish a skill train!
Um, "Skill Training Complete"
Ever get that when you're online when it happens? Lovely voice btw.
LOL, call me Mr. Thicky, as I don't play with the sound nowadays on so had forgotten that voice, and I wouldn't hear the ding anyway!
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:44:00 -
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Points for Eve: - constant roleplaying - needs some brain to be good at anything - constant pvp (if you like it) - Alliance warfare -
Points for WoW: - short learning phase - needs more skills for pvp (not just F1, F2, etc) - No blobbing or lag fests - PVE and PVP servers. YOU decide how you want to play - No 2man farming in dungeons (complexes) - No noob corp abusing (except for gold farmers/sellers)
Theres more for sure. Both games have alot more good points. In the end, you decide if you like it or not. I personaly like both especially the part where I can fight farmers in low sec or gank them in high sec
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 14:45:00 -
[56]
Edited by: ry ry on 27/04/2007 14:42:48
Originally by: Hellspawn01 Points for Eve: - constant roleplaying - needs some brain to be good at anything - constant pvp (if you like it) - Alliance warfare - ??? - Profit
although i think it says 'selling isk' under the ???'s
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Anibs
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry i think the average age for WoW players was something like 22-28.
Must resist...must resist...22-28? Aahhhh crap there we go. ROFLMAO!
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DarkFenix
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:10:00 -
[58]
WoW is pitched to the masses, a game that will appeal to the widest possible market.
Eve is the coinoisseurs' MMO, appealing to the niche audience.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:16:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Until tabula rasa comes...
i saw that myself it looks interesting
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BaliAgha
Nevahefas Etarip
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:34:00 -
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World of Warcraft is easy to learn, easy to understand, easy to master and the most 'child friendly GUI' to ever be put in a game.
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Edgars Sults
LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:43:00 -
[61]
And girls play WoW too.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:45:00 -
[62]
wow is not complicated, small learning curve... etc Tho shall give Life, for Life. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 15:53:00 -
[63]
I wouldn't say EVE is that hard to learn either, but maybe that's just 'cause of the sheer amount of different games i've played
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:08:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Edgars Sults And girls play WoW too.
Ah, the old, "and maybe I'll get to meet a girl who plays online games, and then..."
Riiiiiiight. ------------------
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I'mA Geezer
Friends Of Derek
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:09:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones I wouldn't say EVE is that hard to learn either, but maybe that's just 'cause of the sheer amount of different games i've played
you are lieieing it is a very complexitive game.
I have been playing the game for over two weeks and yet I still can not make my gallantley charicter like my freind told me after 1 week I would have the skills to make him like this
http://tinyurl.com/223lmq
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Anibs
Originally by: ry ry i think the average age for WoW players was something like 22-28.
Must resist...must resist...22-28? Aahhhh crap there we go. ROFLMAO!
uuh, it is. or at least was.
my own guild had somewhere in the region of 150 members (only 90 accounts, but some were shared) and the age range pretty much straddled that figure. :lol: :roll: :etc:
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Talkie Toaster
Amarr Knights of the Industrial Order
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:13:00 -
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to be honest one of the biggest drawbacks for eve is that its SciFi. Fantasy is cool, scifi still isnt. Its the same with any media across the spectrum. a couple of my mantes wont watch Battlestar Galactica because its "obviosuly" scifi. the fact that its a damn good drama doesnt even get a look in. Science fiction is still a taboo to a lot of people.
the other painfully obviosu answer is that eve is so complex and deep. that instantly wards off a lot of people.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Talkie Toaster Fantasy is cool
err, are you sure?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Talkie Toaster Fantasy is cool
err, are you sure?
Where'd you get my..err...THAT image?!
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:18:00 -
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your MySpace.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:20:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 16:16:47
Originally by: ry ry your MySpace.
Wow...i didn't know i had one...must be one of those MyTime MySpace continuum
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I'mA Geezer
Friends Of Derek
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:25:00 -
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He he, he is a silly elf.
I am a real tough man and have made a pod pilot costume that I wear while playing Eve in my silence of the lambs basement house.
http://tinyurl.com/6spq4
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:29:00 -
[73]
Edited by: ry ry on 27/04/2007 16:25:19
that's some serious mangina he's got going on there.
i'd hit it.
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Zaethiel
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:41:00 -
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The other day my roomate who doesnt play video came in and asked me if i wanted to go get something to eat. I said i was in the middle of something. After having looked at my screen he promptly said; "Pft if it were WoW i might understand" I about died laughing. _________________________________________
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Ahz
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:55:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Ahz on 27/04/2007 16:55:38 This is a good question and I've done some thinking about it myself. The reason it's interesting for me is that I want to know that EvE is profitable (the more so the better). That way there will be a continued incentive for CCP to invest in the game. If they're investing their money in the game then I feel safer investing my time. I don't want to put months into a game that's going to go belly up becuase of insufficient subscribers.
So here's my list of the differences:
- Artwork: WoW has a very engaging artwork with varied environments. Compared to EvE's vary spare, empty space scapes. I think this makes for a slightly skewed player base. It's an unusual kind of person who's content to spend their game time staring at these sterile environments.
- Population: At 8 million players its base is larger than some 1st world countries. It becomes a self-perpetuating system with whole families playing together. Additionally this makes the game more girl-friendly with a larger social componant.
- Friendliness: It's very friendly to the new player. Casual players can pick it up and get into it without a big time investment. Additionally, they are protected from more advanced players whereas there's very little protecting them in EvE (they can get blasted the very first time they blunder in to 0.4 space and lose everything). Also, losses aren't as catastrophic in WoW. Finally, the EvE learning curve is immense.
- Marketing: It's not just the marketing dollars but it's also the distribution model. Having the game sitting in the store in a box that people can pick up will bring more people to the game. EvE's story is told mostly by word of mouth. You've got to hear of it from a magazine or another friend because you won't just happen upon it in the Electronic Boutique.
- The Ding: Wow's "ding" comes more frequently that EvE's. I think it's possible to skill up a character to maximum in less than two weeks in WoW. Research has shown that the "ding" you get when you progress to the next level is a powerful incentive to keep playing. In EvE it doesn't take long before they start coming slower and slower...
For these reasons Eve is going to remain a niche compared to WoW for a long time. Not that that's a bad thing. Most every other game is a niche compared to WoW as well. The real key is that the game have a large enough player base to remain viable for years. That's less clear.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Talkie Toaster to be honest one of the biggest drawbacks for eve is that its SciFi. Fantasy is cool, scifi still isnt. Its the same with any media across the spectrum. a couple of my mantes wont watch Battlestar Galactica because its "obviosuly" scifi. the fact that its a damn good drama doesnt even get a look in. Science fiction is still a taboo to a lot of people.
Actually deep in the Bible Belt of the U.S. anything featuring magic is often touted as "tool of the devil" while sci fi is considered much safer. And for those of us who don't feel that way, sci fi is still much more popular than fantasy-- I know many many people who love the tabletop Star Wars game, but almost nobody plays fantasy rp games; Warhammer 40K outsells Warhammer by a large margin around here; anything with a scifi edge seems to be much more popular than fantasy. Tolkien, of course, is still tops but high fantasy generally is not. World of Darkness is also very popular but that tends to be more sci-fi than fantasy in flavor.
Dunno how widespread this is, I just know what I see in the local gaming area and what I'm told at the gaming stores.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.04.27 17:44:00 -
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Simple WOW is just a very good game. It is well designed, runs well on most any system, it has strong appeal to the general public. EVE on the other hand is very much a niche game.
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lacretia
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:05:00 -
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Forum burped.
I like both games. That said.
I am more drawn to the cold brutality of life in Eve with only a slim chance at glory in some far corner of space, than in glowing swords and a dungeon grind to a scripted instance.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dal Thrax on 27/04/2007 19:14:03
Originally by: Acronikosvz Not a whine before you scream, but why is there some what million subscribers and only 200,000 EvE subs. Just for intrest, Is it because of 1st looks, and the colourfui surroundings... Any MMO'ist with a fair mind would say that EvE has many more aspects of MMO and therefore is a far better MMO, but why so less in EvE compared to WoW... Because if it is appearences they are looking for, I regret saying the station designs is a bad idea, it will probably attract alot of WoW diseased minds to the light.
What do you think?
Blizzard makes a HUGE effort to insure the "fun factor" of their game, for example CCP dosn't have a psychologist review additions to the game before they go live, WoW does. Not trying to know EvE but EvE tends to be "does this fit the games vision" and WoW tends to be "is this fun". Dal
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
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Dzil
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova No one loses, everybody is a winner. No hard feelings, no sense of fear, or dread, or loathing, pvp is painless and cheap fun.
There is no stress, no need to be unique or driven to succeed in the game. The biggest challenge is assembling the required characters to perform a scripted (on both sides) battle with npcs where you know exactly what to do.
There are no calls at 04:00 saying that towers are in reinforced, no having to sit docked because you're out of cash and can't enjoy pvp any more, no having to alter your entire playstyle and way of enjoying a game because of the choices of others.
It's a magical mystical sandbox where nothing can hurt you and you can hide from the mean, mean people in the world and not have to worry about... well, anything, except maybe the minor inconvenience of walking back to where you were from a respawn point.
For the general populace, what's not to like?
That's exactly right too. EVE's exciting, but certainly not fair, and as far from forgiving as it can get. The latter two in conjunction can be a spliting deterent.
Example - your kid comes downstairs and tells you she just threw up in her bed. While you're cleaning up the mess so she can go back to sleep, someone pops your frieghter/mining barge/T2 fitted BS, costing you billions of isk, the equivalent of a hundred dollars in game time cards.
In WOW when **** happens you get back together in 5-10 minutes and try again. In EVE - you're boned. It depends on the experience you want. Most people don't want to pay out 15 bucks a month to get boned. Those of us that are left - well we're just a bunch of masochistic puppies I guess:)
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Raltcam
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:34:00 -
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wow :
25% of kid with character like "lhegolhassss" "and "im the so beautifull aragorn".
25% of kid with character like "dark over killer of the black dark night".
25% of ppl who still dont know what means mmorpg.
10% of ass licking "your guild is great do you need a tank ? or i can make a priest if you want".
7.5% of hardcore gamer "lolz i pwn this nab with one critical hit".
5% of military player "u didnt farmed the 400 little blue flower i asked today, you are fired"
2.5% of mature player who only play and only talk and only interact with their own guild mates"
believe me i got a character on wow with more than 200 days of played. i left eve in 2004 and i come back right now. I will never play wow again.
So why ppl play wow ? cuz wow is made by Blizzard, and blizzard is a legend. CCP is still unknow.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:40:00 -
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wow has boobz.
Biggest boobz I've seen in eve is Barbarella's avatar.
OMG BOOBZ.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:44:00 -
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Why is World of Warcraft popular?
1. Because the game has universal appeal (and significant content) for carebears, avid pvp'ers, casual players and hardcore powergamers alike.
2. Because the production quality (UI, graphics, sound, content, server stability, game balance, etc.) is exceptionally high (not flawless, but considerably better than average).
3. Because Blizzard is a relatively well-known and respected brand within the industry.
4. Because their client works on both Macs and PCs.
5. Because you touch yourself at night, and often fantasize about elves and fairies in the process.
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Amphetaminer
Grumpy Old Men
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:49:00 -
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In wow you have no death penalty In wow you cannot get pked everywhere In wow scamming is not something that is accepted In wow they try to make a real effort against bots/macro's WoW has a lvl cap. In wow you dont have to give up your life to be able to enjoy yourself in the game.
These are things most mainstream people want.
As you can see alot of these contradict with Eve.. Also EVE is hard to get into when you start.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.04.27 19:53:00 -
[85]
a wow thread
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.27 20:01:00 -
[86]
Originally by: MissileRus a wow thread
I always misread your name as Missiles'R'us!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.04.27 20:14:00 -
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wow howd you do that ' thingy? i never figgured it out lol
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Theronnos
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.27 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Theronnos on 27/04/2007 20:12:03 play testing.. more play testing.. and even more play testing.. until one day, it was the perfect product for there target group. Testing is everything, without testing your game sucks.
edit: just to get my point clear. WoW is so good because they did millions of tests. ---------------
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Vadoc Trax
Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.04.27 20:23:00 -
[89]
WoW also spent 50 million dollars or more in development and such. Which is far more than all the previous MMO's combined. -------------------------------------------------- #1. Pillage, THEN burn. #8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock. |
Volar Kang
Gallente United Federation of Planets
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Posted - 2007.04.27 20:44:00 -
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In WOW you can play for a few hours and get to level 10. Once there you can go to battlegrounds and most of the time get fair PVP, (meaning 10 on 10 with others in the same level range as you). You cant get that in EVE.
In WOW you can fly to a different zone relatively quick and start playing there. In EVE it takes time to fly long distances and every dork (and his mother) who thinks he is a strong PVPer is trying to camp a gate along the way because they couldnt take you in a fair fight.
In WOW you can change the look of your char by wearing different colors and styles of armor. In EVE everyone flying a Raven looks the same.
If you only have a short time to play WOW because you have a RL you can get on and run a quest in safety. You cant do much in EVE safely other than sit in a station and shop the market.
Dying in WOW costs nothing.
Dont get me wrong, I cancelled WOW a while ago and play EVE now because WOW was not for me. But there are lots of good things in WOW that keep people there.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 21:35:00 -
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Number one sign that EVE has grown to much:
-There are now people in our community that feel compelled to post "Compare XXXX game to WOW" on our forums.
Probably the single most annoying thread topic in MMO forum whoring today.
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Khorian
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.27 21:39:00 -
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the Hype, it's the Hype. It's like a snowball rolling down a hill. WoW get so much attention it draws in new subscritptions like flys to the light.
I mean, just a few days ago I read an article on a Games MAg website about the Grass in computergames. They featured WoW on last place, even tho WoW has probably the ugliest grass in any MMORPG currently in existance, but they even commented: Well this is WoWs grass, so it needs to be mentioned. I stopped reading that mag 7 years ago, and this article reminded my why.... but you see what i'm getting at.
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Forum Alt
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Alt on 27/04/2007 22:57:09
Originally by: Sheriff Jones ...lots of things in many replies...
I read this entire thread and have to say I agree completely with everything Sheriff Jones said. Good replies! Glad to see there are people like this in Eve that have good sense
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Skunrah
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:04:00 -
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1. Learning curve in wow is about 1000% easier. 2. Everything in Eve takes forever to someone who plays FPS' all day. (I would be willing to bet most eve potentials leave the game within 24 hours of installing it) 3. This as mentioned before, the huge brand power of Blizzard. Skunrah |
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SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Volar Kang In WOW you can play for a few hours and get to level 10. Once there you can go to battlegrounds and most of the time get fair PVP, (meaning 10 on 10 with others in the same level range as you). You cant get that in EVE.
Lvl 10-19 Battlegrounds used to be the most unfair pvp ever. A lvl char twinked to the gills could easily kill the whole enemy team without breaking a sweat. ___
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amphetaminer In wow you have no death penalty In wow you cannot get pked everywhere In wow scamming is not something that is accepted In wow they try to make a real effort against bots/macro's WoW has a lvl cap. In wow you dont have to give up your life to be able to enjoy yourself in the game.
These are things most mainstream people want.
As you can see alot of these contradict with Eve.. Also EVE is hard to get into when you start.
did you check out today's dev blog.. concerning macros?
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Raltcam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Volar Kang In WOW you can play for a few hours and get to level 10. Once there you can go to battlegrounds and most of the time get fair PVP, (meaning 10 on 10 with others in the same level range as you). You cant get that in EVE.
Low lvl battleground = twink, who can take 1v5 without a probleme. In low lvl battleground you are one shooted by everything or you are a twink too.
At high lvl, same thing, player with stuff from "The new super boss" pwn you in 0.2 sec.
cap lvl means nothing in wow, u need months and months of farming to do something.
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The'Grim'Reaper
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/04/2007 11:55:47 Well...my fav subject again
First off, don't worry, i'm not a 13 year old WoW fanboi, actually i'm a middleaged white, single EVE lover as the rest of you perverts
What brings people into WoW is kinda layered cake:
1: Warcraft. It has a HUGE fanbase compared to EVE's...err...none. There is no prequal to EVE universe. If this was X-Wing Online, then it would have. 2: Best MMO around, in fantasy that is. It simply is one of the best, largest, working and versitile fantasy rpg out there. 3: The fanbase for Warcraft was big, this brings a starting number of subs big, which brings more customers. Not to mention that blizzard is known for good service, good games and all around good stuff. Warcraft, starcraft, diablo series...all hits. WoW is no different in peoples eyes.
EVE is in no way an underdog, as this is one world, and in no need for additional servers. It's just growing slower and the clientbase a bit more, not adult(in NO way), but "non-old fashioned"
Oh and, EVE has better things then WoW, WoW has better things then EVE, it all balances out quite nicely if you play both with "vigor".
When i'm bored with EVE, i play WoW, when i bore of WoW, i go to EVE and so forth.
Until tabula rasa comes...
Ive played the previous (real imho) warcraft games etc, i do enjoy MMO's/RPG's etc, but WoW does nto appeal to me, it just screams of cartoon/kids game, id rather go play NWN2, thats more my taste, i did enjoy the saga of ryzom before they A) died off and B) made the game stupidly harder to lvl up.
I also used to play Knight Online US, a lot of these i left simply because of macro/lvl up abusers, it felt like the game was patched to make it harder for them to lvl up and near impossible for some at specific levels without cheating, and in the case of KO, way too many Duped items kicking around.
So i cant say its just the fanbase of games that attract people, i love the warcraft3/other games, i just dispise WoW, so in the end, who knows, probably just more word of mouth, or "i play coz my mate plays".
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raltcam Low lvl battleground = twink, who can take 1v5 without a probleme. In low lvl battleground you are one shooted by everything or you are a twink too.
At high lvl, same thing, player with stuff from "The new super boss" pwn you in 0.2 sec.
cap lvl means nothing in wow, u need months and months of farming to do something.
You either havn't played WoW and hence your opinion has no value, or if you have, you've played it badly. Thats right, you played the easiest game out there BADLY.
1. You over-exaggerate far to much. Twinks are good for small groups (1v1 perhaps 2v1), but nothing more. You get ganged up on by people who understand how to use their class correctly, and you die.
2. You dont need to farm for months to be able to do anything. Sure, using crappy equipment may make the game harder, but hey... everyone is always complaing about how easy the damned thing is.
WoW is popular because it has no strings attached. You do what you want, when you want to, and dont have to worry about manditory 5 hours a day to keep pace, or the fear of logging out 1 night with your stuff only to find that the next morning everything you have worked for has been destroyed while you were asleep.
I enjoy playing both EVE and WoW because they have different appeals. I think you'll find more than a few people that play EVE regularly and have active WoW accounts for the same reasons... ___________
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Serge Tahlon
Gallente Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Serge Tahlon on 28/04/2007 11:38:41 i never got into the warcraft games, i m not particularly interested in the lore and also eve was my first mmo. i played for a year and tried wow. played that for 2 years now i m back.
i think what attracked me to wow was the pvp. that was pre battle grounds and honor grind. another point was the pve raid instances. i dont know but there is something really satisfying about defeating content as a group. in eve that was, back then, non exsistant. i think it is pretty much still non existant.
the only thing in eve that came close was large fleet battles.. 30+ people working together is an awesome feat.
eves advantage is its depth and complexity in terms of production and markets, politics and diplomacy. sadly it is also what makes it insanely boring at times.
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Xan Garrett
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:36:00 -
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I wasn't a Warcraft fanboy at all, in fact I had Warcraft III but never got round to finishing it so I had no vested interest in the lore/setting of WoW. What drew me to it were the almost unanimously great reviews and the fact that it was the first MMO I experienced. So in effect, the fact that the reviews were saying how great it was, how it took all the best things from all the best MMOs and put it together in a well-presented package meant that it was the ideal entry point to the genre for me. When trying to overcome/justify the subscription issue, why not go for the big hitter first off and see what the supposed best on the market had to offer.
Couple that with a very satisfying initial 'hook' that made it fun and quickly addictive and I have been a WoW player since last December, so not very long compared to most. Haven't played for 3 weeks or more though 'cos I hit the 70 level cap and got bored very quickly. Hence why I started trying the others and found EVE
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Evandra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:03:00 -
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1st..they made the start in wow easy, fun and the totally opposite of a grindfest and slowy let it get more of grind to the endgame so that ppl got used to the horrible grind and even love it.
2nd..they add super shiny 0wner items to the game everyone sarts screaming when someone got them...take those items away (->make em useless)...add new extreme super shiny items to the game so people fall into the same "i want i want" again and forgot that they got toally ripped off their time spent :P they'll repeat that as long players don't get it.
conlusion..in eve i can lose my ship sure but noone ever will get my skillpoints..they'll be mine as long as i play so the core of my playtime is alway there. in wow i lost more (yeah i fell for wow once :P) than i can ever lose in eve when they made all items obsolete with the burning crusade after the game was 2 years old.
as long ppl don't feel betrayed when this happens again and again in wow they'll have the massive numbers there cuz everyone loves super shiny items he can pose around with :P
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 28/04/2007 12:07:17 Bottom line? More people feel that relaxing their brain is more entertaining than taxing it.
It is true for almost every form of entertainment.
Nothing wrong with that at all, people are just different. Even though WoW doesn't "push my buttons" there is no denying that it is a superb product, and hits its target market for wrecking damage. It is the TV of computer entertainment.
On a side note, WoW has done a lot of good for MMOGs in general, expanding a market which was in itself pretty much a niche. I'm glad WoW exists (and I am equally happy that I don't play it )
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:19:00 -
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Thread cleaned. Please keep your replies polite and civil. Its okay to disagree with someone, but please be constructive about it. Also, even if WoW is competitor, its not appropriate to bash the game or the company behind it.
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skunrah 2. Everything in Eve takes forever to someone who plays FPS' all day. (I would be willing to bet most eve potentials leave the game within 24 hours of installing it)
Hey , I was mainly a FPS player before being subjugated by Eve while it's true that it teaches patience , it's closer to the FPS feel than most RPGs. The games I enjoy the most revolve around sneaking up on people , hunting them down and savaging them at melee range.
If you want to play Eve like a FPS , get pirating
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Cosy
Porandor
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