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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:13:38 -
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While I understand the desire to limit the PANIC module to defensive instead of offensive uses, the mechanic you chose to achieve that end seems rather broken.
Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC. Rorq pilot happens to not be actively mining yet still supporting the mining op? No PANIC.
Not to mention...is there any other module in the game that requires a target lock on a particular class of object in order to activate an effect that does nothing to the targeted object? One-off mechanics like this are just bad design.
CCP...scrap this and go back to the drawing board. Surely there is another way to limit PANIC modules to non-combat situations.
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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2017.02.23 22:27:36 -
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Querns wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote: Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC.
Wrong. The Industrial Core provides full EWAR immunity. Fair point, although as discussed above not all mining/support Rorqs have a core running.
There's got to be a cleaner way to flag a Rorq as "engaged in mining operations" or, at least, "not acting as uber-tackle" than simply whether or not they have an asteroid locked. Weapons timer is out due to the timer generated by command bursts. Adding a separate flag just for this is just as clumsy as the current solution.
Maybe simply disallow modules requiring Propulsion Jamming from being used on the Rorqual at all? This seems like a cleaner solution that's more in-line with the Rorqual's role, would still let it PANIC in non-combat and non-mining situations, but would limit its use as an offensive unit.
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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2017.02.24 14:27:57 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:- Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid.
I hope that this includes ice.
Well, I actually hope you abandon this broken, kluged-together mechanic in favor of something more reasonable like simply disallowing any tacklt/EWar on Rorqs, but given the likelihood of that happening I'd settle for your broken mechanic at least being complete.
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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2017.02.26 00:13:43 -
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handige harrie wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:H We are very interested in hearing suggestions of alternate concepts for solving these problems, but I'd caution against assuming that this question is a particularly simple one. add a hull bonus: Due to its specialized features the Rorqual (or to the panic module): - can't fit entosis module. - can't fit ewar modules. just like intreceptors that with the entosis restriction. Now both point #1 and #3 are taken care off, while point#2 is still wide available (i don't see how #2 is a bad thing) Seconding this.
If entosis links and tackle on a Rorqual present a problem, disallow them on the ship entirely. It's a specialized, non-combat ship so this doesn't seem too far out of the realm of possibility. This is a much cleaner solution than the proposed "must have an asteroid locked" mechanic.
As for the secondary cyno, I think that we're just going to have to live with. The whole point of the PANIC module is to call in reinforcements, and lighting a cyno is kind of important to achieving that goal. Without entosis or tackle/ewar capability, the offensive uses of a PANIC/cyno combo are relatively limited.
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Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:56:26 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:A properly-fit Rorqual can tank very well for long enough for help to arrive, without PANIC module. I watched one tank 30 Gilas for 15 minutes while we formed a leisurely response fleet to come save him. But...mah yields!
(I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing it out before someone else does....)
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