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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:48:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all. Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not. Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling? Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank. You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting. But nooo. That isn't good enough. Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?
**** im done with that massive **** of trolls; You just throw at them with evidence and they still trying to prove you that "it's fine like it is" fck u :) no more respond from a twats like u =] |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
508
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:51:37 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out;
The relevant word was "most", which is not the same as all. Certainly some gankers do pay for tags to repair their sec status, however many do not. Now that we've got that out of the way, where did I tell a lie, and how was I trolling? Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez; It depends on who needs to and who doesn't. Those who simply undock and gank won't bother. Those who sit at gates, blapping the juicy targets before they move on need to fix their sec status.
Also, repairing sec status is tedious as it's not just a click of a button, the tags must be turned in by the character in question. Also, isn't the effective cost per gank like 20mil ISK a pop? Serious question, I'm really not sure. Anyone with actual info on that?
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
6043
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Posted - 2017.03.04 18:55:48 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:
**** im done with that massive **** of trolls; You just throw at them with evidence and they still trying to prove you that "it's fine like it is" fck u :) no more respond from a twats like u =]
What evidence? Your own video shows it is possible to shoot these guys. He blapped 2 tornados, got some loot, and then was bribed to leave them alone.
Sounds like a totally valid counter to me.
You are bitching and whining and crying like a punk. Why? Because, well...to be honest either you suck or your are lazy, possibly both. Get a few friends. Fleet up. Fit a ship with probes, scan the bastards down if they are at a ping. Warp into them and then you and your buddies shoot everyone that either has a kill right or has a low enough sec status. If they have 15 guys and you kill 5 and now they don't have enough DPS...no gank until those guys come back. You win, for now.
And good thing is every time they gank somebody they acquire a new kill right.
Get off your arse and go shoot them vs. crying here.
And if HS scrubs would stop putting tens of millions to activate their kill rights they'd likely make it even easier to shoot the gankers. But nope, the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27937
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Posted - 2017.03.04 19:05:40 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works. Well, they are generally the same numbskulls that think cramming their freighters full of isk and then using Autopillock* is a good idea.
Stupid is as stupid does.
*Thanks to a random guy on the Eve facebook page for this gem of a word, told him I was going to steal it.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
6043
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Posted - 2017.03.04 19:22:44 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: the losers are either greedy or just ignorant of how the system works. Well, they are generally the same numbskulls that think cramming their freighters full of isk and then using Autopillock* is a good idea. Stupid is as stupid does. *Thanks to a random guy on the Eve facebook page for this gem of a word, told him I was going to steal it.
Indeed, greed and stupidity is a dangerous combination.
And yes, pillock is a wonderful word.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27938
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Posted - 2017.03.04 19:28:37 -
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^^ That it is, it's a very English word and as a Brit I've used it for years. What I never considered was using it in combination with auto as a synonym for Autopilot
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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Wanda Fayne
541
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Posted - 2017.03.04 21:29:52 -
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If I had an isk for everytime the word 'troll' used in this thread, I'd be well on my way to buy that Chameleon I wantz...
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1497
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Posted - 2017.03.04 21:49:34 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:hardly! I expected to lose that ship. Note that its completely empty!! You put 360m in mods on a freighter and do not expect to get ganked .
Remove standings and insurance.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47152
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Posted - 2017.03.04 21:53:05 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Lie is as the gangers sits with sec status above -5 which wont let them gang in space as they are cleared their status for 150 mil already; Roger out; Show me a prove that "many do not" - as repairing their status is cheap and ez; I just pulled the last 2500 kills by CODE.
Total ganks analysed:2543 Total CODE. members involved:112
% of CODE. members as outlaw when ganking:78.6% (88 of 112) % of CODE. members not outlaw when ganking:21.4%
% of outlaw ganks: 93.7% (2382 of 2543) % of not outlaw ganks:6.3% (161 of 2543)
The CODE. attackers on killmails are outlaw 93.7% of the time.
You can repeat the analysis yourself if you like. Here's the data: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1nitFwBo5aARjRfZTlmd3dETUk
This result is consistent across months of checking data. >90% of CODE. attackers that appear on killmails are outlaw.
CODE. of course aren't the only gankers in existence, just the most active.
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And here are the names:
NameSec Status# Ganks Zane Arnolles -1032 Aaaarrgg -10138 Skiff Poddington -1046 Kiara Successfuel -1013 Kirigi -1028 Milkmypigeon -1015 Kibbera -1076 Count Ragnar Danneskjold -1025 Koiji -1028 Agent Hex -102 Captain Cortar -1024 Ralliana -102 Jeremiah Kusion -1047 Yabba Dabba Do -1010 ST0NER SMURFETTE -101 Brutal Anna -108 Keraina Talie-Kuo -1077 Perlo Tissant -108 Mack Poddington -1044 Knackered Old Goat -102 Guybertini -1058 Jackson Kusion -1046 ST0NER SMURF -101 Ima Wreckyou -104 Ngoq TlhamChu' ChutEnforce -107 PostOp Transexual -1013 Kanji Kan -1028 Luna Nightblood -101 Alt 00 -1029 Photon Death -1057 Plasma Death -1061 Mildron Klinker -1090 Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri -1026 Andrea Ellecon -103 Mark Eting -108 Pod-Goo Repoman -109 Lament von Gankenheim -102 Jack Van Impe -103 Joseph Kusion -1047 Lillie Naari -1028 Tender Sometimes -108 NotTheSmartestCookie -1042 Hulk Poddington -1045 Molly Klinker -1082 GR13Fy -1017 Alexander Kirenski -1010 Fiddly Pop -1043 Jason Kusion -1054 V-ktor Dolus -102 Joel Kusion -1050 Joshua Kusion -1049 Hide Yo Hulks -105 Spine Ripper -1011 Justin Kusion -1050 Charlie Nelson Reilly -103 Krominal -1043 Vilinensis Octoria -102 Liek DarZ -1064 Jake Kusion -1050 Lawrence Lawton -1051 Brigantine M2 -105 Pod-Goo RepoWoman -1062 Johnathan Kusion -1046 Jana Grebb -1020 DEVILISH ST0NER SMURF -101 Eleni Helios -1015 Tisiphone Dira -1057 Alt Proxy -1021 Jayden Kusion -1050 Rick Therapist -1013 Gavril Ilizarov -105 Lichelle Marie -9.934 Agrona Martin -9.85 Baby Lemba -9.813 Lemba -9.710 Kill-Chan -9.613 Cautiously Pessimistic -9.537 I Can't Even -9.43 Booka Shade -8.93 Ron Chi -8.92 Marshall Mathars -6.91 Zombiepilot -6.93 achterlijke -6.79 Zopiclone -6.642 007 JBond -6.653 Duratan Muhahaha -66 Savin Aulmais -5.51 Nitetime Video -524 Sasha Nemtsov -4.92 William Morgane -4.52 Dude Magic -4.512 Marina Gankalot -4.16 Calrizzan -3.715 Lisa Tancos -3.77 Pod-Goo Repairman -3.26 Starshade -31 Tax Collector Discotime -2.98 Edward T'each -2.81 Snigie Audanie -2.723 Pod Destroyer Molly -2.36 Aaaarrggs Scout Alt -1.91 Super Perforator -1.917 Tax Collector Emile -1.81 Semtex Attor -1.76 Halifax Novacane -1.56 Tax Collector Richard -0.513 Jason Seitz -0.23 Ruby Daniella -0.22 Taxman Daniel -0.19 FightMeNow 03 Carebears' Nightmare 0.39 Dom Arkaral 4.92 |
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
103
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:11:57 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
Not only that but from the video we see he got 2 tornadoes, that alone could be enough for foil a specific gank. Yes, they may very well reship and come back, but the freighter they did have in mind of ganking may very well be in a 0.8 or even a 0.9 system. That is, you don't have to kill them all, just enough so that their DPS drops low enough to prevent the gank.
You can also try to scan these guys down too ya know. Scan them down, warp into the middle of them, scram some release drones and start shooting.
But nooo. That isn't good enough.
Anyone getting the impression these guys are just fecking lazy as Hell?
Those who operate out of jita v do not gank in tornados like this. These tornados are not the ones who are ignoring faction police mechanics. They are keeping their security status in check to continue their ganks in highsec. The problem is the 30-40 man fleet running out of jita V (goons, karmafleet, gimme da loot, etc) that stay invulnerable in warp until the target is reached (the one being bumped and not able to get away). Then within a few seconds of attacking the freighter is wrecked. There is not much you can do to prevent the freighter loss unless a small AG fleet criminally ganks the bumper before the squad arrives. This logic is useless though because now AG takes security status hits and is viewed as a criminal without even making any profit. That's why no one cares to gank the bumper. The tornado guy's are banking the the way it should be done (managing security status). The fleet gankers are the ones abusing system mechanics. |
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
103
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:15:44 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:hardly! I expected to lose that ship. Note that its completely empty!! You put 360m in mods on a freighter and do not expect to get ganked .
I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:21:26 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:These tornados are not the ones who are ignoring faction police mechanics. Criminals that ignore faction police mechanics are the criminals that die to faction police mechanics.
Quote:The problem is the 30-40 man fleet running out of jita V (goons, karmafleet, gimme da loot, etc) that stay invulnerable in warp until the target is reached You're upset that a 30-40 man fleet is effective at taking down one target? Wow.
Quote:(the one being bumped and not able to get away) The one that overloaded his freighter. The one that didn't use a scout or any intel system. The one that anti-tanked his freighter. The one without a webbing escort. The one that didn't double-wrap his valuable cargo. The one that no one seems interested to help.
Quote:Then within a few seconds of attacking the freighter is wrecked. Fun fact: Many fights in EVE are decided before anyone fires a single shot. This is hardly an exceptional scenario.
Quote:There is not much you can do to prevent the freighter loss unless a small AG fleet criminally ganks the bumper before the squad arrives. That's fine. Ganking is both cheap and easy, right?
"This logic is useless though because now AG takes security status hits and is viewed as a criminal without even making any profit." That's really stupid. Why not make a profit by charging the freighter pilot a fee to break the tackle? Charge say, 200-300mil ISK which should result in a tidy profit even if you lose a ship/sec status. The freighter pilot saves his billions of ISK in spaceship and loot.
Win-win.
"The tornado guy's are banking the the way it should be done (managing security status). The fleet gankers are the ones abusing system mechanics." In your opinion.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:23:38 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established.
Quote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47154
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:27:53 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead.
No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely. |
Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
103
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:31:22 -
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@Hiasa Kite
I've never seen someone spew out so much random BS. You did not address the point of my post, you just threw out random comments. You seriously need to go to the doctor and get checked out for trollidous. |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1001
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:31:54 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Dom Arkaral 4.92
hahahahah this is gold
edit: wooo for 1k likes love you too
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:32:26 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead. No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely.
You completely missed the point I was making. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:32:43 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:@Hiasa Kite
I've never seen someone spew out so much random BS. You did not address the point of my post, you just threw out random comments. You seriously need to go to the doctor and get checked out for trollidous. At first I thought you were just stupid. Now I strongly suspect you're a troll.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1001
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:33:43 -
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oy Erich, 5 pages later and I'm still waiting for those mechanics
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:35:34 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established. Quote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on?
Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees. |
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:36:32 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:oy Erich, 5 pages later and I'm still waiting for those mechanics Wait as long as you wish because you are a confirmed ganker and will troll anything anyone says. |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1001
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:37:47 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: you are a confirmed ganker As is every player who does pvp #burn
Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:40:10 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: you are a confirmed ganker As is every player who does pvp #burn Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha
You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:41:36 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established. Quote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on? Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees. Or team up with someone else. Shocking concept in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game, I know.
Edit: That said, it's common for freighter pilots to have multiple accounts, anyway on account of the fact that freight is both time consuming and boring. Play one account while the other makes money. Not my cup of tea but I can appreciate why others do it.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
510
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:42:23 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: you are a confirmed ganker As is every player who does pvp #burn Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking. In your opinion.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:43:55 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I was using as a test. It shows that you can not equip a freighter which is fast enough to get away from a bumper. When faced with violence, freighters fare much better with an escort, preferably one with dual webs to get them into warp long before bump tackle can be established. Quote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. What about creating warp points on the trajectory that the bumper(s) is keeping the freighter on? Hence you can not play the game as a freighter unless you pay twice as much as everyone else in subscription fees. Or team up with someone else. Shocking concept in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game, I know.
So now you have to split the pathetic contract rewards with someone else. Ok 10 gates. That's 1.5mil for and 1.5mil for me. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47154
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:44:15 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead. No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely. You completely missed the point I was making. No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with. |
Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:45:37 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Erich Einstein wrote: you are a confirmed ganker As is every player who does pvp #burn Another proof that this whole thread is just you trying to get attention hahahahahaha You are seriously stupid ... faction warfare is not considered ganking. In your opinion. LLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47154
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:45:55 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Dom Arkaral 4.92
hahahahah this is gold edit: wooo for 1k likes love you too Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks. |
Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 22:46:53 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:I even had a mach myself and bumping the aggressive mach away still was not enough to give the freighter enough time to get into warp. Should get rid of that Mach and go for a Rapier, Huginn or web Loki instead. No need to worry about trying to bump the bumper. Just avoid it completely. You completely missed the point I was making. No, I didn't at all. I understood what you were saying, but there's really no excuse for Freighter pilots who end up in a bumped situation. It's totally avoidable to begin with.
Yeah, by paying twice as much to play the game. |
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