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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.05 12:54:36 -
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Moac Tor is a trustworthy friend. He has offered me great help in organizing defense of the planet v trade hub, and he also has invested a lot of isk to keep this service running. And I think to keep this service runninng healthily, a service fee of 20mil or higher per structure is more reasonable than for lifetime |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:52:30 -
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Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. That's the story told by Ichooseyou, the one who surrendered to PH and then asked PH to attack Minmatar and Amarr player free hubs now. He sent mails to those citadel owner, "raise tax rate, or be destroyed by pandemic horde" |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.07 01:50:07 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Karin Yang wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. That's the story told by Ichooseyou, the one who surrendered to PH and then asked PH to attack Minmatar and Amarr player free hubs now. He sent mails to those citadel owner, "raise tax rate, or be destroyed by pandemic horde", and I kept the screenshots Funny, since I have those same mails that you sent me. Remember? When you forced me to raise my taxes and said that, next time, it wouldn't be VMG that you hired to bash my citadels.
Interesting, where is the screenshot of that mail? I didn't deny that you're my enemy though. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:42:36 -
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Granio Nyveev wrote:Clearly I'm too slow to figure this out on my own. Would someone mind helping me to understand this?
Why is PH interested in extorting HS citadel owners into raising their fees? I can't see what their end game is to this. How is it benefitting them? I get typical extortion - pay us or we'll blow up your citadel - but I don't understand "raise your fees or we'll blow up your citadel."
The only thing I can think up doesnGÇÖt even make sense. If they put the squeeze hard enough on HS citadels, they might be able to make their null citadels more attractive to trading and thus, draw some of the trading out to null, thus making things more readily available/cheaper to nullersGǪ but that seems pretty farfetched.
Can someone please set me straight.
Thanks,
GN
Because the brokers fee of citadels will finally fall into PH's pocket through IChooseYou's hand. It can be trillions per month. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.10 17:02:59 -
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Pindi buoy wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Mercenaries will simply do what their paymaster asks of them, whether that be for good or bad. Our current strategy doesn't require that we hire mercenaries as we are looking to keep our costs low. Although if they offered their service for a fee which is low enough for us to continue to efficiently run our operation, then I would have no issue in hiring them in order to help fight the null sec entities looking to extort the traders of The Forge. It's hard to trust and invest with you. You do not provide any stability, have made an enemy out of the one of the biggest nullsec bloc and cannot be trusted because you are lying. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/ Seeing the other side of story, and your story, my problem is one side is providing logs of the opposite of what you're saying. While your story is basically just your words. I understand the truth is somewhere in middle, but this raises the risk for my time and investment. You don't need to trust me, but Karin is Karin and Moac is Moac. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.13 02:26:03 -
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Toobo wrote:I don't mind who's making how much off broker fees as long as I have a secure/reliable trading platform with reasonable fees. I use PH backed fortizar for much of my trades in the Forge, and couldn't care less what amount of ISK they are raking in off people like me, because as far as I am concerned, when I look at my wallet and trades, the fee is acceptable to me and I'm doing well enough. But you mentioned reasonable fees. PH monopolized market is impossible to be at reasonable rate. The only reason they're still at 0.1% is that there's still competition. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:50:31 -
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Jarr Kaleb wrote:But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful.
Moac Tor wrote:pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.01 01:57:02 -
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Tim Gemulus wrote:People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!
Sindri Oksaras? Is that you? Monitoring perimeter dscan with macro, well played ph. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:24:18 -
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IChooseYou wrote:We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is to make explosions. Planet V are good at anchoring stuff that goes boom. Pandemic Horde is good at making it go boom. That's the story.
You seem to suggest that you are different from me, but your post history above shows how you are so much worse. You are blatantly and without shame manipulating people to try to anchor onto you so that you can extort them later.
Planet V advertised free trades for everyone for ever. How long did that last? Not very long, obviously - certainly not for ever. Then you started charging 20mil per person, and then 100mil per person, and now 0.1%. Hell of a trend that you have going.
If anything, I strongly believe that, if Horde weren't here, you and Karin would be charging 1% as were the guys in dodixie.
Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
Hehe,obviously you know the story that Karin promised to offer 0% forever, not Moac, and Moac don't have to offer 0% service at all from beginning, because of the word of someone else. And the truth is that not a penny entered to Karin's wallet ever since the word is made, and will never in the future. You like kissing Gobbin's ass, that's your choice. But not everyone will. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:43:13 -
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IChooseYou wrote: The promises made by Planet V should follow Planet V wherever it goes, right?
Really? I still remember the time you stole the name/named your citadel as Planet V, and now you changed your name, so you don't keep the promise made by Planet V, correct? Next time you name your citadel BS's hub and you don't need to keep your word too, correct? |
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:11:58 -
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IChooseYou wrote:
No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense? If you want to lie, at least make your lies somewhat reasonable. And the rate isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:51:25 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Karin Yang wrote:IChooseYou wrote: No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'. And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens). My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Then you're totally wrong. And I am pretty sure 'your sources' are lies too. I did suggested lucia that M space is a good space, but not to take you out. 40bil to take you out of the picture? Nah, you don't worth that. |
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