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Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.05.09 03:12:28 -
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Gilbaron wrote:go back to hiring every highsec merc possible Most of mercs are either blue to Pandemic Horde (eg. MC, VMG) or can't do anything besides gate camping. |
Sparky Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2017.05.10 05:01:27 -
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Thanks for AllSale Final for giving me this link. I will be providing support for Planet V hubs. All my PI will be sold via these hubs in the future. |
Jarr Kaleb
35
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Posted - 2017.05.14 07:03:41 -
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Fair game?
Our competitor IChooseYou, who is backed by Pandemic Horde, continues to use dirty methods aimed at traders who are using other hubs. IChooseYou began to block traders from his public hubs, thus impeding them on their daily trading. In case some of you don't know, you can't see any sell orders issued in the hub if you're blocked.
The funny thing is that a couple of months ago IChooseYou created a thread on reddit because he was very concerned about fair game - Should one rich individual be able to control who can and canGÇÖt view public market orders?
Today, IChooseYou is exactly that one rich individual who decides who can and can't view public orders in his hub, despite all of his talk on reddit. Even worse, today he blocks traders who support other market hubs, which is much worse in my opinion than to simply block a competing hub owner.
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ps. This is not the only dirty method IChooseYou and Pandemic Horde are using in their quest to dominate Perimeter markets. Some of these tricks I already mentioned in this thread, including sending emails with threats to traders.
Support Planet V Trade! Planet V do not block any traders just because he\she is trading or supporting another hub. |
leocaldari
leo's Corp
9
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Posted - 2017.05.14 11:37:21 -
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Again he blocked me too.
additional I gave him 250mio for month May to have 0.0% broker fee.
But what do I expect from ICY? Nothing because he is a non-trusted person in this game.
additional he really doesn't understand anything about market mechanics.
Citadels are only important for BUY orders NOT for Sell orders. BUY orders don't work on other Citadels. BUY orders are visible from any station. and I always have another Citadel to set BUY orders. So complete nonsense what he is doing.
Just an additional sign for his madness to take over the Jita market. LOL.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3717
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Posted - 2017.05.14 12:10:09 -
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... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5972
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Posted - 2017.05.14 13:52:47 -
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I'm loving reading all this drama.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
103
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Posted - 2017.05.14 14:48:52 -
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The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small.
One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Jarr Kaleb
35
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Posted - 2017.05.14 16:10:09 -
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IChooseYou wrote:The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Well, if by 'what I am doing is working' you mean losing traders, then go ahead.
IChooseYou wrote:One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. You sure you aren't talking about yourself? Tell us, who was docked in Planet V trade hubs last weeks convoing traders, offering them '0% for 250m' deals, which leo mentioned in his post above? Was it Jarr, lol?
I'm sure, Moac was aware of you doing this little business in Planet V hubs since the very first day. I find it strange, but he did not block you. I think, it clearly shows the difference between Planet V and you. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1916
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Posted - 2017.05.14 17:00:18 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.
i wonder if it's now the longest living fort in perimeter.
btw: security is one of the most important factors when economic thinking goes long-term.
another one is stability. constant policy changes are annoying.
i wonder if the dramaqueens in here are aware of that |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3719
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Posted - 2017.05.14 17:05:28 -
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IChooseYou wrote:The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small. Thanks for honoring me as as "high-ranking" and high-end supporter of Planet V. This made my day.
IChooseYou wrote: One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
... proofs the point, that people tend to assume what they are doing is right and others would do the same. The only person spamming ads were you in the Planet V channels.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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leocaldari
leo's Corp
12
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:51:59 -
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IChooseYou wrote: One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
Again a lie. I never talked to anybody about anything
So what kind of reason do you have to block me?
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
819
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:52:52 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I'm loving reading all this drama. I think whatever side one takes in this conflict, no one can argue that it is providing good content and some heated debate. I'm enjoying each moment of it also (especially Gobbins' reddit posts), it has been worth every ISK.
Also some extra competition in the markets is good for everyone whatever your perspective. Even the hordlings will thank us eventually. |
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.17 12:38:11 -
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I do not play eve for a long time and am a sub- char for a single person corp.
The experience and knowledge with JITA and DODIXIE so far are very clear: If you come to close to the BIG money, you will be intimidated and wardecced! If you trade in the wrong citadel, you will be intimidated and wardecced! Those who do the intimidation and wardeccing are not the real ones behind the big play, but add one and one together........ Those who do not want a particular Cital Owner to succeed will not only shoot as many times their Hubs down, they will make it for traders in-secure, as one Trader mentioned it - Stability is what is most important to most. UNLESS - You do not give a damn and know howto get your stuff out or wait a few days if all fails!
Now as to the most important in this War on Citadels - Which one do you trust? Even though the results of the true nature of each party will only show in the longrun and indicators for "Truth and Honesty" are visible, PLANET V wins my trust for the main reason of trust and the guts to tackle a BIG ISSUE and in recognising the WAR of the future.
The Future of Eve is also being fought in Trade!
Take your precautions and be safe. o/
PS: Moac - Thanks for doing this o/. What happened to SINQ LIASON's Citadel? We feel forgotten ;-)
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
23
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Posted - 2017.05.17 18:03:25 -
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Also the undock for the IChooseyou station in Perimeter is terrible...which by itself, is enough to discourage people from using it. :p |
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.19 10:51:36 -
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As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
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Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:17:43 -
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dito Elladin wrote:As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
Here is the screenshot. Apparently MOTD has delays too.
IChooseYou, if you're going to reply, just copy\paste this -
IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the MOTD and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the MOTD to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.
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Btw, it seems Pandemic Mafia is going into industrialists extortion also - https://zkillboard.com/kill/62372114/ I think, soon Pandemic Horde will succefully replace VMG. |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
105
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:40:18 -
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dito Elladin wrote:As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
No lies here. I updated the tax yesterday and forgot to updated the chat MOTD. Fixed now. My apologies.
Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.
Also, I'd note that about six months ago, my dodixie hub was at 0.2%. Then Planet V (under its old ownership) paid VMG 40bil to have three of my hubs killed, including the dodixie one. Immediately after that, taxes shot up to 1% and have stayed there since. You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. It is still too soon to see whether the turnover of goods in dodixie is profitable though.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:11:58 -
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IChooseYou wrote:
No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense? If you want to lie, at least make your lies somewhat reasonable. And the rate isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
105
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:38:10 -
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Karin Yang wrote:IChooseYou wrote: No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'. And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%.
My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens).
My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:51:25 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Karin Yang wrote:IChooseYou wrote: No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'. And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens). My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Then you're totally wrong. And I am pretty sure 'your sources' are lies too. I did suggested lucia that M space is a good space, but not to take you out. 40bil to take you out of the picture? Nah, you don't worth that. |
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Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:19:13 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.
IChooseYou wrote:You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. You didn't bothered with Sinq Laison when there were no Planet V Trade hubs. You came to Dodixie only after you saw PVT there. You quickly put your own 0% hub, then pinged Horde to come to bash our 0% hub. After they succeded, you raised taxes to 0.4% and now you are telling us how much you wanted to offer Sinq Laison traders a cheaper alternative...
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dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:16:44 -
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Once again Transparency is where my trust goes!
Knowing how you can actually charge people differently, so basically you can set % of tax per char and corp in your stations. Means that most will pay a higher price as soon as they have more control in a certain area and the ones with the bigger interest and CONTROL have always 0% tax in any of their stations, while you and I will be charged more.
Make no mistake here: Those who have 0% will control the market and those who control the Citadels are the Market. Yes, there is JITA and DODIXIE etc., but those who can buy the cheapest will sooner or later control the PRICE! You will still pay those owners taxes and they will beat you in price (WIN LOSE), UNLESS: We have a equal playground 0% that is, for ALL! |
Twista Cohagen
I really don't like taxes
0
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:48:23 -
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I just have one question to the citadel owners, who is controlling the character "ZWERT".
I know that char is operating from ichooseyous citadel mostly and is in like 95% in control of PLEX, Extractor and injector market.
I have been observing for a long period now and know that that char is 24/7 online. During 24 hours of the day this char isn't inactive for even 5 minutes. It must be a shared character. I just wonder who it belongs to. This char has been in control of said markets for months now. This char is also one if not the main reason PLEX price went up.
Right now this characters keeps most of the time extractor and injector prices on no profit compared to current plex price, but i know it is making huge profits on times when there is absolutely no competition. Further the character is making huge profit on the no profit orders anyway since it bought at least over 6k PLEX before small plex got introduced.
I just wonder if it belongs to someone from here or not. |
Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:36:02 -
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Twista Cohagen wrote:I just have one question to the citadel owners, who is controlling the character "ZWERT". ZWERT is a russian speaking trader to whom IChooseYou personally gave 0% at his hub (dude even boasted about it in local). He has no relation to Planet V afaik. I was talking about him earlier in this my post. |
Twista Cohagen
I really don't like taxes
0
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Posted - 2017.05.22 17:04:21 -
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Jarr Kaleb wrote:ZWERT is a russian speaking trader to whom IChooseYou personally gave 0% at his hub (dude even boasted about it in local). I was talking about him earlier in this my post. He has no relation to Planet V afaik.
I see very interesting. I wonder why this whole market is just given to ZWERT. The profits involved into this are much higher than monthly profits of a 0.1% citadel in jita would be. The profits i guess he is making are around 20-30 billion a day if not more. I had a glimpse of it a few days ago when zwert wasn't active for around 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes i made 1,5 billion profit. |
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc Rate My Ticks
20
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Posted - 2017.05.27 03:22:48 -
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Russian mob money laundering via plex market control and rmt? I mean... it is eve afterall |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
819
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Posted - 2017.05.29 01:07:22 -
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Greetings friends,
It has been a while since the last update, and so a couple of new developments for the Planet V Trade operation.
Remote Trading
CCP has now added the ability for traders to place buy orders remotely in a structure. This means that many traders who would normally operate solely in the NPC market hubs are now placing their buy orders remotely in offshore market hubs.
What this means for the Planet V Trade operation is that the location of our physical market hub is less important than it was previously. And so we are modifying our strategy to take advantage of the increased flexibility it offers to make it more difficult for our enemies.
Rather than being fixed in a particular system, we will keep the trade hub active in one of the systems within a one jump radius of the NPC market hub.
Broker Fees
In order to dissuade traders from using the Ichooseyou hub we have been running many of our trade hubs at a flat 0% public rate. Although this has been effective in reducing income for Pandemic Horde, Ichooseyou is still making significant sums of ISK in Perimeter, and has recently expanded his operation against our hubs in Ashab, Hek, and Dodixie.
In light of this, the benefit of running the hubs at a 0% public rate is outweighed by the extra investment we would gain by having a 0.1% public rate. This investment can then be used to replace hubs and expand the operation.
As a result, we will be reverting our rates back to the original fee model, offering the 0.0% supporters rate for life, and a 0.1% public rate.
Additionally, when a replacement hub is launched, to ensure a smooth transition between hubs we will operate a temporary 0.0% public rate for a duration of at least 48 hours of the new hub being active. This is to ensure those who are not on the 0.0% trader list can freely relist their orders at the new market hub.
Market Hubs
As mentioned above, Ichooseyou and Pandemic Horde have now extended their attack into Dodixie and Hek.
The hub in Dodixie was being run by one of our investors, who unfortunately has now decided they cannot sustain the market hub there due to the cost involved. This is an important location, and with not having a Planet V Trade hub there, Ichooseyou has raised his broker fee to 0.4%.
We will look to re-establish the Planet V Trade hub in Dodixie. Further details of this will be posted in this thread when we are able to.
The hub in Hek saw very little in terms of trade volume. With Ichoosyou and Pandemic Horde extending their campaign to Hek, the cost of keeping the hub in Hek running would be significant, and with such little usage, we have decided the ISK could be better invested in sustaining Jita, Amarr, and Dodixie.
Mailing List
Although currently not in use, we do have a GÇÿPlanet V TradeGÇÖ mailing list. We would like to start using this as another communication channel, to keep those who are interested updated regularly as to our status.
In future when a market hub is reinforced, alongside updating the MOTD on the GÇÿPlanet V TradeGÇÖ chat channel, we will also send a notification through the mailing list with details of where to find the replacement hub.
To receive updates, ensure you are signed up to the mailing list GÇÿPlanet V Trade.
Defence Operations
After receiving many offers of combat help from those who do not wish to see Pandemic Horde succeed with their war on high sec, we are going to open up our defence operations to those who are willing to assist.
For those who are interested, you will need to join our defence corporation GÇÿCitadel DefendersGÇÖ. And to avoid Pandemic Horde spys, we are going to have to set a minimum skill limit, and request limited API information to confirm this. I will post the requirements shortly for those who are interested in joining in.
With our combined efforts, we can ensure that this continued attack on free trade in high sec is punishing for our opponents. Please mail me if you are able to offer your assistance. |
Amarr King Pin
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.05.29 02:45:04 -
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Planet V promised free trades for ever. Why are you charging the same as Pandemic Legion? |
Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.29 11:03:58 -
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Moac was invited as an FC for Karin's Citadel Defenders corporation. Here is the screenshot from the time when Karin was running Planet V, dumbo.
The screenshot you linked is made after Moac took over Planet V. It just states who today have control over old RMT channel and can ban Horde\IChooseYou alts.
By the way, the RMT channel is not used anymore. Planet V has new igame channel - Planet V Trade.
Amarr King Pin wrote:How do you explain this? Moac shouldn't explain anything to yet another newly created Pandemic Horde alt. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
820
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Posted - 2017.05.29 12:00:15 -
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All the information regarding the Planet V Trade operation is linked in the opening post, and has not been, and will not change.
Your question was posed on the first page of this thread by another alt who is now in Doomheim. I'll relink the answer here.
Moac Tor wrote:We are actually the successor to the original GÖö Planet V Market Hub which you linked, although we still offer a permanent 0.0% rate for supporters of the GÖö Planet V Trade Hubs as mentioned in the opening post. We want to be transparent regarding our fees, and by charging a minimal 0.01% public broker it will help maintain our operation in the long term without the need to constantly modify our fee unlike our competitors. Most traders will still be trading at the 0.0% rate though. |
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