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JarJar Binky
Kotva i Rusalka
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Posted - 2017.03.06 22:25:53 -
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Hi
I saw that this ship is better for shield tank but I have good skills only in armor. May anybody give me some help how to fit this battleship to be armor tank or idea for other ship who will be more powerful then my Apocalypse Navy please? I prefer to use pulse lazers but I am strong in beaam too
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1238
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Posted - 2017.03.06 23:09:04 -
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not sure if trolling........
this is what I threw together in pyfa. stacks of utility, pretty meh DPS of 600, of which 150 is drones. ~150k EHP.....
i think i'll stick with Machs and Vindis for armour battleships.
[Nightmare, armor?]
1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
100MN Afterburner II Large Micro Jump Drive Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 3200 Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Stasis Grappler II Tracking Computer II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Heavy Energy Neutralizer II Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Large Ancillary Current Router II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Berserker II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x1
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This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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JarJar Binky
Kotva i Rusalka
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Posted - 2017.03.06 23:35:21 -
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Thanks - I seek to use this ship in lev4 missions - but you realy give me a lot of help:-) May be I can change one steel plates with second reactive armor hardener to save two types of damage Mid slots are more complicated for me bcs newer use more then 4 Now I know things better - thank you again
Also I like a lot the Machariel but I am not ready with minmatar ships yet - will take me a time |
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
60
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Posted - 2017.03.07 00:44:28 -
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This thread is an insult to the glory of the Nightmare.
my other nano is a polycarb
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1238
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Posted - 2017.03.07 02:05:29 -
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Nikea Tiber wrote:This thread is an insult to the glory of the Nightmare.
well, yeah..... but he DID ask.....
JarJar Binky wrote:Thanks - I seek to use this ship in lev4 missions - but you realy give me a lot of help:-) May be I can change one steel plates with second reactive armor hardener to save two types of damage Mid slots are more complicated for me bcs newer use more then 4 Now I know things better - thank you again Also I like a lot the Machariel but I am not ready with minmatar ships yet - will take me a time
Umm, how about just spend a week or so on Shield skills and fit it up like it should be fit?
Seriously, I would not recommend an Armour Nightmare. Tank is ~ok~, DPS is pretty meh. Shield fit, you can have dank tank and dank DPS.
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This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
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Posted - 2017.03.07 05:50:36 -
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Seriously, train shields, an XL booster, and three faction specific (vs the damage profile of the rats you face) is really enough, especially if you fit an AB and a MJD to gtfo of trouble if your tank isn't going or you are going to cap out in a mission (not many L4 mission rats can hit past 100km), you can moonwalk yourself to safety.
Also, fit tachyons and learn to manually pilot and use your AB to reduce to reduce transversal for faster targets in multifrequency range. Always use faction ammo; use a small secure container in your cargo hold to keep unused crystals out of the reloading options and keep the clutter down.
Megapulse and scorch kick ass, but the usefulness is a lot higher on an optimal-bonused vs a tracking-bonused hull.
my other nano is a polycarb
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1608
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Posted - 2017.03.07 08:56:19 -
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Since you were looking for an armor ship that is more powerful than your Navy Apocalypse, try the Paladin.
Eve Minions is recruiting.
This is the law of ship progression!
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JarJar Binky
Kotva i Rusalka
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Posted - 2017.03.07 15:51:56 -
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Right ... I understood. I really thought also that armor tank is not good idea - now I am sure May be I may receive some good shield tank fitt? To prepare my skills please?
Short info: I played the game years ago for six mounts (2012) and now I returned from about a mount (was mailed for new alfa clonings) and I don't understand good the game, so my questions are serious
Thanks for Paladin idea too - it is will be the next ship, I wont to try this Nightmare now
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Tung Yoggi
Null Sect
155
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Posted - 2017.03.07 16:17:25 -
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Armor nightmare is alright, but it's a niche ship for small gang PVP (the 7 mids give you a lot of options). In the world of unorthodox loadouts, the armor Barghest does the trick a bit better.
Since it's not relevant to your interests, here's a decent pve fitting, albeit a bit overtanked for missions, but you get the idea: https://zkillboard.com/kill/60427742/
The ship seems to do wonders with polarized mega pulses, but i suggest starting with something less exotic. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5921
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Posted - 2017.03.07 16:39:27 -
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Sansha Kuvakei is rolling over in his grave right now...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Keno Skir
1343
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Posted - 2017.03.07 16:39:38 -
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JarJar Binky wrote:May be I can change one steel plates with second reactive armor hardener to save two types of damage
Think you are a little inexperienced to be flying a Nightmare even for PvE. Not that my advice will change your mind...
Have fun
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JarJar Binky
Kotva i Rusalka
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Posted - 2017.03.07 17:38:31 -
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Tung Yoggy thank you!
Experienced or not - I can loose only virtual money, so I don't see any problem:D Only need few weeks now to study some shields:-)
Thank you to all of You - good loot and good game:-) |
Tung Yoggi
Null Sect
155
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Posted - 2017.03.07 17:43:40 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Sansha Kuvakei is rolling over in his grave right now...
Of course i would say "think outside the box" but that would be a bad pun if aimed towards a dead guy in a coffin. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5927
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Posted - 2017.03.07 18:04:14 -
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Tung Yoggi wrote:Of course i would say "think outside the box" but that would be a bad pun if aimed towards a dead guy in a coffin. Hehe, thanks for the chuckle. Right up there with 'Sansha Claus'...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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mkint
1541
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Posted - 2017.03.07 18:41:16 -
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That you didn't seem to notice that a PVP loadout isn't a PVE loadout makes me think that no matter how you fit it it's probably gonna die. My suggestion is to get back to basics. Learn how to max out a tank for a specific role, then learn how to dial it in to be just effective enough. Fitting tools are your friend.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1611
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Posted - 2017.03.07 20:51:36 -
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JarJar Binky wrote:Tung Yoggy thank you!
Experienced or not - I can loose only virtual money, so I don't see any problem:D Only need few weeks now to study some shields:-)
Thank you to all of You - good loot and good game:-)
Do yourself and I a favor and fly a Raven to learn shield tanking first. Everything else will make my Master very sad.
Chelm Soran will thank you in advance!
Eve Minions is recruiting.
This is the law of ship progression!
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Brok Haslack
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.08 05:36:29 -
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JarJar Binky wrote:Hi I saw that this ship is better for shield tank but I have good skills only in armor. May anybody give me some help how to fit this battleship to be armor tank or idea for other ship who will be more powerful then my Apocalypse Navy please? I prefer to use pulse lazers but I am strong in beaam too
Nightmare:
Low slots: 2 adaptive nano-plate a-type deadspace, & a dc2. 3 heat sinks.
Mids: Combinations of Sensor Boosters, Tracking Comps, and a Web & Target Painter combo, all help. Possibly a Cap Recharger if you can squeeze one in.
Highs: Guns. A cloak? 'Regard' Cap Transmitter if you're in fleet.
Rigs: Avoid inertia ones, as they will reduce your armor.
Add a DPS rig ( ideally the one that increases raw damage, NOT rate of fire ) if you run Pulses. If you fly solo you may need the rig that reduces Capacitor Drain if you plan on running Tachyons.
The Nightmare using Tachyons is hard to make Cap Stable. So you need a Cap Buddy, unless you fit a special rig. With Pulses it's very stable.
They're good boats. Just slow to move with.
Shield-tanking a Nightmare means you can fix the inertia issues, but if that Cap runs out your defences switch off. |
Elena Thiesant
The Scope Gallente Federation
1785
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Posted - 2017.03.08 07:42:36 -
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JarJar Binky wrote: May be I can change one steel plates with second reactive armor hardener to save two types of damage
From show-info on the module
Quote:The Reactive Armor Hardener possesses an advanced nano membrane that reacts to armor layer damage by shifting between resistances over time. This makes it able to align its defenses against whichever incoming damage types are prevalent.
The module spreads 60% resistance over the four damage types, starting at 15% in each.
Only one of this module type can be fitted at a time.
And that fit is a PVP fit, not a PvE fit. Several of the fitted items are inappropriate for L4 missions. Plus 6 months of training is probably not enough to fly a faction battleship. Sit in, yes. Fly and use well, no. Stick to cheaper and smaller ships and get your skills up. Better skills will improve your mission times more than a ship upgrade will. |
Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
221
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Posted - 2017.03.08 08:40:57 -
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Not that this will apply but if you have Logi Armor Nightmares and Rattle snakes can work very well.
My corp uses them with Nestors (No Comparable Shield Logi) in a C5. No need to worry about the drifter killing you tank if your resists are passive and you only really need 2 mods for resistance+1-2 rigs so you still have loads of free lows for DPS. Then you have bulk slots for utility. paints, webs, scram, Omnis, TCs, Drone Navs you name it you have space for it. |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1614
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Posted - 2017.03.08 09:35:54 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:Not that this will apply but if you have Logi Armor Nightmares and Rattle snakes can work very well.
My corp uses them with Nestors (No Comparable Shield Logi) in a C5. No need to worry about the drifter killing you tank if your resists are passive and you only really need 2 mods for resistance+1-2 rigs so you still have loads of free lows for DPS. Then you have bulk slots for utility. paints, webs, scram, Omnis, TCs, Drone Navs you name it you have space for it.
Of course, unless you have Guradian fits like the unbrave newbies you don't.
You can fit 6x 1600mm plates on a Rattlesnake and you can fit 4x mining lazors on a Nightmare if you want but the question remains, should you?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5944
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Posted - 2017.03.08 12:24:02 -
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elitatwo wrote:Of course, unless you have Guradian fits like the unbrave newbies you don't.
You can fit 6x 1600mm plates on a Rattlesnake and you can fit 4x mining lazors on a Nightmare if you want but the question remains, should you? If one has nothing better to do with their time...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
98
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Posted - 2017.03.08 13:49:25 -
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Use tachyon beam lasers, a MJD and an X-large shield booster II and you'll be able to take on any L4. I get that your skills are for armour, but if you armour tank the nightmare you sacrifice all of its good qualities, making it a huge waste of isk. |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2017.03.08 18:32:15 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Use tachyon beam lasers, a MJD and an X-large shield booster II and you'll be able to take on any L4. I get that your skills are for armour, but if you armour tank the nightmare you sacrifice all of its good qualities, making it a huge waste of isk.
This and the Sansha Kuvakei willst it.
Eve Minions is recruiting.
This is the law of ship progression!
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Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
223
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Posted - 2017.03.09 07:13:45 -
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elitatwo wrote: Of course, unless you have Guradian fits like the unbrave newbies you don't.
You can fit 6x 1600mm plates on a Rattlesnake and you can fit 4x mining lazors on a Nightmare if you want but the question remains, should you?
Well it only takes 2 Nestors to Rep a C5, Guardians (4/2) would take a few more since they rep 55% of a 5 rep Nestor (a 4/2 Basi repping a 2X Invlu + T2 EM rig reps like 70% of a Nestor) and the Nestors we roll with do 700 DPS so we can field more DPS ships and the logis have lot as well . Anything we lost from the 1 extra low slot (1 DC2 vs 2X EANM) is made up for by that.
99% of the time you are right but that does not always need a out of the box approach is not better.
2 Large remote caps can't keep up a Snake under drifter nuets so using unvuls is risk business. Not impossible if you time it right but its harder.
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Dungheap
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2017.03.14 23:53:46 -
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Nikea Tiber wrote:This thread is an insult to the glory of the Nightmare.
or a salute , to the missile-spooging , armor tanking beast it once was ..?
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1639
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Posted - 2017.03.15 08:13:55 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:...Well it only takes 2 Nestors to Rep a C5, Guardians (4/2) would take a few more since they rep 55% of a 5 rep Nestor (a 4/2 Basi repping a 2X Invlu + T2 EM rig reps like 70% of a Nestor) ...
What are you talking about and since when does the Nestor have an armor repair amount bonus?
The Nestor has an remote armor range bonus, which makes a 5x remote rep Nestor an Oneiros with 25% more repair power or one more remote rep.
Can you elaborate like you would fit a Guardian and please tell me where you find a bigger, subcapital remote armor repair module that isn't the large t2 one?
When I fit N+1 Guardians 4/2, they all have 4 t2 large remote armor repair modules on, so the bare minimum would be 8 large remote reps.
My Basilisk fits would have 4x t2 large remote shield boosters on and in a N+1 situation where the bare minimum is 2x Basilisk would also be 8 large t2 reps, I count more than 5.
The remote repair values for armor / shield and capacitor per second you can find in my latest addition I made in my fitting guide which everyone keeps ignoring since I reopened it.
My joke about brave's Guardian fits was a comment of that weird 1x large and 3x medium remote rep setup they lost in that fight last week. They better put much more and bigger plates on their Guardians next time..
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JarJar Binky
Kotva i Rusalka
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Posted - 2017.03.19 01:06:43 -
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I am impressed he he - this ship is a killer
The fit is 4 pulse lasers and 2 tractors on the top (better for my needs now with tractors) Active shield tank, afterburner, battery and tracking computer in the middle And damage control, 2 tracking enhancers and 3 heat sinks in the bottom
All work great - enemy's die fast. Thanks for make me find the active shield May be will try beam lasers soon I am not sure really I need some more range or not |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1659
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Posted - 2017.03.19 22:17:05 -
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JarJar Binky wrote:I am impressed he he - this ship is a killer The fit is 4 pulse lasers and 2 tractors on the top (better for my needs now with tractors ) Active shield tank, afterburner, battery and tracking computer in the middle And damage control, 2 tracking enhancers and 3 heat sinks in the bottom All work great - enemy's die fast. Thanks for make me find the active shield May be will try beam lasers soon I am not sure really I need some more range or not
See? Told ya
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This is the law of ship progression!
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ARES DES1DERATA
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.20 02:54:22 -
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elitatwo wrote:Since you were looking for an armor ship that is more powerful than your Navy Apocalypse, try the Paladin. I UNLIKED YOUR POST BECAUSE I DON'T USE "LIKE" UNTIL THERE IS ALSO A "DISLIKE" OPTION TO MAKE IT FAIR, SO INSTEAD i'M GONNA POST AND TELL YOU THAT I LIKE THIS |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
610
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Posted - 2017.03.20 02:56:58 -
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ARES DES1DERATA wrote:elitatwo wrote:Since you were looking for an armor ship that is more powerful than your Navy Apocalypse, try the Paladin. I UNLIKED YOUR POST BECAUSE I DON'T USE "LIKE" UNTIL THERE IS ALSO A "DISLIKE" OPTION TO MAKE IT FAIR, SO INSTEAD i'M GONNA POST AND TELL YOU THAT I LIKE THIS
too many CAPS in only one post, i would dislike yours and dropping supers and titans do dispatch them |
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