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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
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Posted - 2017.03.09 01:24:25 -
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I have many questions regarding this part of Amarr History especially concerning the reign of Empress Jamyl I .
I am hoping the scholarly amongst our astropolitan community can help fill in the blanks.
From what I have discovered Empress Jamyl I was not pure of flesh but rather a clone. And still she was allowed to sit on the throne.
My first question is how did she not branded a "Heretic" by the Theology Council? Whether or not she saved the Empire from the Matari is incidental. The act of transcending death was in itself the sin.
Additionally this raises some questions about the Sarum family itself. Has those close to the former Empress been investigated for this crime.
Jamyl's actions were both criminal and heroic. By defying Imperial Law she in turn defeated an Enemy of the Empire.
Did she do this for simple grab for power (which could cause to see her as Sani Sabik since "technically" that is our mantra)?
One of things to spark this renewed interest was this transcript from times past. Showing the Sani Sabik in the more positive light with House Sarum and the late Empress Jamyl I.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1807
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Posted - 2017.03.09 01:58:46 -
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Unleash the slaver hounds in
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1921
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:04:26 -
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Nope.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
293
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:42:01 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:From what I have discovered Empress Jamyl I was not pure of flesh but rather a clone. Empress Jamyl I was not a clone. Jamyl Sarum was a Royal Heir and capsuleer who piloted a capsule without a transneural burning scan interface. She died, or more accurately, committed Shatol'Syn. Later, when the Elder Fleet decided to unilaterally break treaties, sabotage CONCORD, and sneak into the heart of Amarr, God chose to intervene and return to us the light of Divine Retribution in the form of Jamyl I alongside a holy force the likes of which were never seen before and have not been seen since (No, current technology still does not match the scale of this weapon). For the uninitiated, there is an important doctrine known as the Doctrine of Sacred Flesh. This states that Royal flesh is sacred, and cannot be cloned. This prevents any Royal heir from being cloned. Shathol'Syn is a rite in which upon the succession of on heir to the throne, all remaining current airs must sacrifice their own life and a new heir for that family is chosen. Being a capsuleer does not require one to be a clone. There are three possibilities for such a heresy to have occured, the following situations would have to take place.
Unknown Heresy
- Without the knowledge of any other family, CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen, supporters of Jamyl Sarum would have to retrofit her capsule with a transneural burning scan interface.
- Without the knowledge of any other family, CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen, supporters of Jamyl Sarum would have to setup a covert contract in a secure location with a clone on standby.
- Upon her death, Jamyl Sarum's neural scan would have to be transmitted (without any trace) to the secure facility.
- After her clone-birth, Jamyl Sarum would need to be kept from anyone who was not part of the cover up.
- The technology for the super-weapon used upon Jamyl Sarum's return would need to be developed, without the knowledge of any Royal family (including the Sarum Family), CONCORD, Amarr authority or faithful citizen.
- Jamyl Sarum (or someone close to her) would have to know of a plot to attack The Empire to allow her to return with justifiable cause, lest her heresy be discovered
- The Theology Council would have to never find a reason to question any of the people involved in this matter (If you believe there is a faithful Amarrian who can keep a secret from an Inqusition by The Theology Council, you have further issues)
- Jamyl Sarum is prepared and has found a discreet path back into the heart of Amarr in preparation for the Elder Fleet attack
- All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation
Unspoken Heresy All of the cloning steps above, but somewhere between her return and present she was discovered.
- The Theology Council punishes the returned Jamyl Sarum for her heresy, yet keeps her status as impure and no longer sacred a secret from all other authorities (or all authorities know but are also able to keep it a secret from the rest of the cluster)
- The Theology Council allows her to become the Empress in direct violation of one of the Amarr's most important doctrines.
- All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation
Unpunished Heresy All of the cloning steps above, but somewhere between her return and present she was discovered.
- The Theology Council judges that the returned Jamyl Sarum is not a heretic, despite her having broken one of Amarr's most sacred doctrines.
- The Theology Council keeps her status as impure and no longer sacred a secret from all other authorities (or all authorities know but are also able to keep it a secret from the rest of the cluster)
- All Imperial subjects are kept in the dark and the only evidence is hearsay and speculation
Of course, there is another, simpler option that doesn't requires hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators who are equally capable of keeping such a grand scheme under wraps. Jamyl Sarum was returned to us by Divine Intervention at a time of need, and with a weapon the likes of which have never been seen before or since. Only the wayward minds of the weak, corrupted or unfaithful are unable to see that this is clearly the truth of the matter.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1064
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:48:45 -
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So disappointing that Miss Lesrac insists on dredging up old and discredited ramblings of long-forgotten Sani Sabik. I suppose I expected something, different, from her. I have nothing further to add to Admiral Ascentior's well-reasoned discourse. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
587
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:49:48 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: From what I have discovered Empress Jamyl I was not pure of flesh but rather a clone.
From what I have discovered Ms Lesharc is cementing her status as a heretic speaking such trash. H.E.R.E.T.I.C.
Deitra Vess wrote:
Unleash the slaver hounds in
3....
2....
1....
Yes, Ms Vess, I would rather enjoy unleashing my hounds upon this Sabik.
Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
295
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:50:07 -
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Unless you have actual evidence that Empress Jamyl I was a clone. Then I'm sure many in The Empire would be very interested to see this evidence.
But considering your own misinterpretation of your own faith, how The Empire works, and life in general, I will admit to assuming you have just speculated (like many more before you) that capsule = clone.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Grash Uriza
Viziam Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2017.03.09 03:01:17 -
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Time after time, it is told how your cults seek for the savants to raise humanity up. And yet when you have been given a clear example to be witness of one, you doubt it?
How little faith you have, Sani Sabik. How. Little. Faith. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
815
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Posted - 2017.03.09 04:17:12 -
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Thank you Admiral Ascentior.
As always, light cuts directly through a shadow.
As strength goes.
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Yuwei Sung
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.03.09 04:28:21 -
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In the interests of presenting a diverse range of opinions on the issue, I'll offer what, to me, seems to be the off-the-street perspective in the central Federation. This doesn't per-se represent my own opinion, obviously.
After the succession trials following the death of Emperor Heideran VII in YC105, it is thought that Jamyl Sarum probably was restored, either by her own wish or otherwise, from a backup scan of her mind by a group of loyalists to her. This would explain how she "got away" with a burning scanner in her pod (she didn't). A bolder opinion I've heard is that she was never Jamyl at all, but just someone else in her cloned body, which would explain her change in personality.
Evidently, herself and her close associates had access to resources outside of the public eye, which both gave her advance warning of the construction of the Elder Fleet, and the weapons that she used to defeat it. After the assassination of Doriam Kor-Azor, it seems likely that she specifically calculated her famous counter-attack to occur in such a way that she would be cast publicly as a saviour of the Empire and propelled to power, because otherwise she would have intercepted the invasion closer to the border and not in the Throne Worlds, where it would be more spectacular.
After that, public opinion, combined with an atmosphere of populism in the cluster as well as a power vacuum that had been festering in the absence of an Emperor, left the Theology Council in a position where it would be politically inexpedient to reject her ascension or declare her in violation of the doctrine of Sacred Flesh. Or as you put it, declare her a heretic. |
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
89
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Posted - 2017.03.09 04:47:17 -
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It is very interesting to see what has developed here in just a short time.
Your own arguments suggests the possibility that a clone could exist. If I recall, Jamyl Sarum's body could not located. And it could not survive the void of space. Thus she was a clone. There is no proof Shathol'Syn was performed. Only that the Sarum Elders say so.
No one suggested that the clone was even man-made. But rumors of clone persist even back then.
It does demonstrates that Jamyl was granted to higher purposes. The Sani Sabik did enjoy a time unprecedented openness as evidenced by Revan. She punished Blood Raiders not the Sani Sabik. And the Sani Sabik swore fealty to her.
A clone would explain much. Even a Divinely inspired one. To take power and utterly defeat her enemies and consolidate her power are not traits of a penitent Empress, but something else.
Thus as a Sarumite and Sani Sabik I can support this theory. And like with the Shathol'Syn no body has been found in the wreck of her Titan. Perhaps more "magic" at work?
It is something to note that the Holy Scriptures mention nothing on resurrections until Jamyl saved the Empire from the Matari. In fact Divine Resurrection is very recent.
I merely suggest at this point, that perhaps Jamyl is not quite done. Her work has just begun.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1002
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Posted - 2017.03.09 05:07:59 -
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I am supremely thankful that the Late Empress, unlike these speculative rumors, has been lifted above base concerns and set to Her final rest.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
816
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Posted - 2017.03.09 05:10:54 -
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Yuwei Sung wrote:In the interests of presenting a diverse range of opinions on the issue, I'll offer what, to me, seems to be the off-the-street perspective in the central Federation. This doesn't per-se represent my own opinion, obviously.
After the succession trials following the death of Emperor Heideran VII in YC105, it is thought that Jamyl Sarum probably was restored, either by her own wish or otherwise, from a backup scan of her mind by a group of loyalists to her. This would explain how she "got away" with a burning scanner in her pod (she didn't). A bolder opinion I've heard is that she was never Jamyl at all, but just someone else in her cloned body, which would explain her change in personality.
Evidently, herself and her close associates had access to resources outside of the public eye, which both gave her advance warning of the construction of the Elder Fleet, and the weapons that she used to defeat it. After the assassination of Doriam Kor-Azor, it seems likely that she specifically calculated her famous counter-attack to occur in such a way that she would be cast publicly as a saviour of the Empire and propelled to power, because otherwise she would have intercepted the invasion closer to the border and not in the Throne Worlds, where it would be more spectacular.
After that, public opinion, combined with an atmosphere of populism in the cluster as well as a power vacuum that had been festering in the absence of an Emperor, left the Theology Council in a position where it would be politically inexpedient to reject her ascension or declare her in violation of the doctrine of Sacred Flesh. Or as you put it, declare her a heretic. I believe in the superiority of the Empire but even CONCORD was blind-sighted by the Elder fleet. Tens of thousands of Amarrian soldiers died during the one day war and a warned Imperial Fleet would have completely stonewalled them. What this theory suggests is that the Empress chose her own personal gain over the wellbeing and lives of the Empire's people. It is sad that such an incredibly insulting view is common in the Federation.
God sent Empress Jamyl, in flesh or clone or whatever you chose to believe, to purge the Empire of the filth that had rotted it to the heart. Karsoth and Khanid and the like.
It is not beyond him to weave flesh and matter from nothingness. It is not beyond him that every event happened according to a plan. I still doubt this theory of clones and warning CONCORD did not have. Of superweapons even our keepstars and Iapetan's still cannot match being constructed in days. But they are still irrelevant to the fact god intervened in the fate of man on the behalf of the Amarr Empire through her.
The past is evidence of god's will. Empress Jamyl I was sent by god.
As strength goes.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
301
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Posted - 2017.03.09 05:29:28 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:[...] There is no proof Shathol'Syn was performed. [...] Except that it happened at the inauguration, and caused a stir because it was done prematurely, before she had named a successor. All the royal families were in attendance.
If a body is made by God, it is not a clone. Clones are created by science, not God. Rumours are still rumours, regardless of when they started. ((OOC references are OOC))
Casserina Leshrac wrote:Thus as a Sarumite and Sani Sabik I can support this theory. And like with the Shathol'Syn no body has been found in the wreck of her Titan. Perhaps more "magic" at work? I was a witness to this terrible calamity that befell our Empire. I saw her pod. I saw her corpse. There are literally hundreds of capsuleers and hundreds of thousands of Amarr subjects that that bore witness to this event.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Yuwei Sung
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.09 05:34:43 -
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Ayallah wrote:I believe in the superiority of the Empire but even CONCORD was blind-sighted by the Elder fleet. Tens of thousands of Amarrian soldiers died during the one day war and a warned Imperial Fleet would have completely stonewalled them. What this theory suggests is that the Empress chose her own personal gain over the wellbeing and lives of the Empire's people. It is sad that such an incredibly insulting view is common in the Federation.
God sent Empress Jamyl, in flesh or clone or whatever you chose to believe, to purge the Empire of the filth that had rotted it to the heart. Karsoth and Khanid and the like.
It is not beyond him to weave flesh and matter from nothingness. It is not beyond him that every event happened according to a plan. I still doubt this theory of clones and warning CONCORD did not have. Of superweapons even our keepstars and Iapetan's still cannot match being constructed in days. But they are still irrelevant to the fact god intervened in the fate of man on the behalf of the Amarr Empire through her.
The past is evidence of god's will. Empress Jamyl I was sent by god.
You probably shouldn't underline things like that in political arguments. It comes across as kind of immature and diminishes your point.
I have no belief in the supernatural, so I find it difficult to address the bulk of your post. But I'll say this much: My one major point of disagreement with the perspective I was conveying there would be Jamyl's actual motives. Political observation in healthy democracies always trends towards the cynical, but in this case, I don't find her actions while in power paint a picture of a coldly cynical manipulator. That suggests to me that some link in this chain of logic is wrong.
I don't really feel like speculating at length on what that could be right now, though. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1369
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Posted - 2017.03.09 08:10:05 -
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So proof is needed for Jammies being a clone, but no proof at all is required to make the claim "God made it"? Come now, that's less of a leap of faith and more a drunken tumble down mount dumbarse.
It'll never cease to amaze me how little respect you are willing to show Jamyl as a shrewd and skilled woman - opponent in my case - and instead attribute her skillful machinations to some completely unheard of 'miracle', on top of bending Occam's Razor into a corkscrew to fit the twisted narrative. I'd gladly have mounted her corpse as a hood ornament on my ships if I could, but at least I respect the cunning and strength she had as an opponent enough not to discount her actions just to fuel the denial.
The worst part is that you're not even daft enough to think it's believable. You know that we know you're lying through your teeth and somehow think this is how it should be. That a unified public lie is the right thing to do.
Jammies damn sure was no miracle nor Sani Sabik. She was a truly extraordinary woman who achieved extraordinary things as the Empress, and it's frankly disgusting that her enemies are the ones who have to speak of her with simple honest respect. |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
301
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Posted - 2017.03.09 08:33:51 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:So proof is needed for Jammies being a clone, but no proof at all is required to make the claim "God made it"? Come now, that's less of a leap of faith and more a drunken tumble down mount dumbarse.
It'll never cease to amaze me how little respect you are willing to show Jamyl as a shrewd and skilled woman - opponent in my case - and instead attribute her skillful machinations to some completely unheard of 'miracle', on top of bending Occam's Razor into a corkscrew to fit the twisted narrative. I'd gladly have mounted her corpse as a hood ornament on my ships if I could, but at least I respect the cunning and strength she had as an opponent enough not to discount her actions just to fuel the denial.
The worst part is that you're not even daft enough to think it's believable. You know that we know you're lying through your teeth and somehow think this is how it should be. That a unified public lie is the right thing to do.
Jammies damn sure was no miracle nor Sani Sabik. She was a truly extraordinary woman who achieved extraordinary things as the Empress, and it's frankly disgusting that her enemies are the ones who have to speak of her with simple honest respect. Quite the opposite.
There is proof that Jamyl Sarum died, as it was witnessed. There is proof that she was not cloned, as there was no scanner and no clone contract. There is proof that she was returned to us. There is proof that it was by divine will as she returned with divine Retribution the likes of which have never been seen before or since, and without the possibility of having been cloned. It is well known that she simply could not have been a clone. I was simply suggesting that in the face of overwhelming evidence, to believe otherwise one should at least have some proof to the contrary.
Indeed, Empress Jamyl I was a great and wonderful Empress. Having been returned to us was not her greatest feat by any measure.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
701
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Posted - 2017.03.09 11:18:20 -
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I saw an old janitor deftly pull a five-credit Ishukone chit from behind a kid's ear once. Damnedest thing. It probably bought her and her friends ice cream and sweets for days, too.
To err is human, to forgive divine; neither are alliance policy.
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Yuwei Sung
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.09 12:05:07 -
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Jev North wrote:I saw an old janitor deftly pull a five-credit Ishukone chit from behind a kid's ear once. Damnedest thing. It probably bought her and her friends ice cream and sweets for days, too.
One time, when I was staying over with my uncle for a couple weeks at age 7 or so, he tried that trick on me when I asked if I could order some food in since he was going out for the night. He said that he didn't have anything to spare himself, but since I'd been a good girl, a fairy who sometimes came to the house must have left some money there for just the occasion. Naturally, I turned it around on him by pointing out how pedestrian the trick was, accused him of insulting my intelligence, and refused the so called "fairy money". You should have seen his face!
Anyway, I ended up eating dry pasta and hot chocolate mix from the cupboard. |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
701
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Posted - 2017.03.09 12:34:43 -
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Clearly lacking proper Caldari upbringing; I'd have taken the fairy money, and then pointed out how pedestrian the trick was.
To err is human, to forgive divine; neither are alliance policy.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3062
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Posted - 2017.03.09 13:52:35 -
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Yuwei Sung wrote:One time, when I was staying over with my uncle for a couple weeks at age 7 or so, he tried that trick on me when I asked if I could order some food in since he was going out for the night. He said that he didn't have anything to spare himself, but since I'd been a good girl, a fairy who sometimes came to the house must have left some money there for just the occasion. Naturally, I turned it around on him by pointing out how pedestrian the trick was, accused him of insulting my intelligence, and refused the so called "fairy money". You should have seen his face!
Anyway, I ended up eating dry pasta and hot chocolate mix from the cupboard.
This ... makes me really sad.
It sounds like you did learn something worthwhile out of it, though. |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:16:26 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:This ... makes me really sad.
It sounds like you did learn something worthwhile out of it, though.
I regret you found it sad, Ms. Jenneth. I've always thought of it as a very funny little anecdote. I'm quite fond of laughing at my past self, or even my present self. I think it's a good way to stay rightheaded.
Though, you're right that it did have a moral or two, which might be considered in tune with the topic at hand. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
90
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:25:24 -
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Yes the more I think about this I can see why Jamyl is venerated.
As a Champion to both the Faithful and Heretic alike. Especially when there is... er... was a close association between the Sani Sabik and the Sarum Family.
As I have followed the thread, even the rumor of whether she was cloned or not has become moot. The fact she returned from the dead becomes the discussion.
The fact she is the only Amarr Leader to do so is something of a miracle that is coming back to life in a time of the Empire's need. It suggests that Emperors and Empresses alike did not live up to the standards of what the Divine wanted. Of course we know that such individuals once in power tend to write about their own relationship with "God".
Again Resurrection is not a new concept for the Sani Sabik. After all science has enabled us to be immortal once we become a capsuleer.
It is no longer beyond reason that Jamyl can return. She will return. It is a matter of when.
And then the real question will be answered. Divine Empress or Sank Sabik Queen. After all it's magic anything can happen.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1810
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:37:29 -
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Whats to say that the access to such technology is not itself a gift from your god? Blind faith in something "greater" is all well and good but blind faith at the expense of ignoring common modern technology is irresponsable at best, idiotic at worst. The powder igniting in my barrage ammo is not an act of god nor is it my ancestors' spirit. Its science. A person miraculously returning from the dead, much like what happens to us everytime WE lose a pod is a similar, more advanced science. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3063
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:45:05 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Whats to say that the access to such technology is not itself a gift from your god?
Well-- there's also a pretty practical, non-theological reason for the Godflesh doctrine, though, Ms. Vess:
If the first Emperor of Amarr could still be around, and still Emperor, and still holding views four thousand years old, would that be even a little bit desirable?
New ideas, personalities, and perspectives are a little important. Entrenched gerontocracy is kind of a problem, and it's one Amarrian longevity already makes a bit of an issue. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
397
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:54:18 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: Especially when there is... er... was a close association between the Sani Sabik and the Sarum Family.
What close association between the Sani Sabik and the Sarum Family? |
Yuwei Sung
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:00:56 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:What close association between the Sani Sabik and the Sarum Family?
I believe she's talking about this link in the original post. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1810
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:01:41 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Whats to say that the access to such technology is not itself a gift from your god? Well-- there's also a pretty practical, non-theological reason for the Godflesh doctrine, though, Ms. Vess: If the first Emperor of Amarr could still be around, and still Emperor, and still holding views four thousand years old, would that be even a little bit desirable? New ideas, personalities, and perspectives are a little important. Entrenched gerontocracy is kind of a problem, and it's one Amarrian longevity already makes a bit of an issue. I can't say I disagree with that, aside from the technology didnt exist then. The technology became more prominent when a less blood thirsty ruler (Jamyl) held the throne. I don't think she should be some defacto permanent ruler. Then again it shouldn't be a suprise I don't agree with much of the Amarrian customs, traditions, ect. Simply put I simply don't understand how "faith" can currupt something we all saw with our own eyes. She returned, we have science that explains how it was possible. Those who came before me aren't the reason my wolf and its crew killed a tormenter last night, that accomplishment lies with my crew and our ship. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
957
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:09:49 -
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Silly Blood Raiders and their crazy religious shenanigans. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3063
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:19:42 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Simply put I simply don't understand how "faith" can currupt something we all saw with our own eyes. She returned, we have science that explains how it was possible. Those who came before me aren't the reason my wolf and its crew killed a tormenter last night, that accomplishment lies with my crew and our ship.
It probably isn't a good idea for me to speculate on this very much, right here, Ms. Vess, but think about it pragmatically. What happens if they set the Godflesh doctrine aside? What happens if they do not set the doctrine aside, and say Jamyl Sarum's return was a result of cloning? Does any actual, lasting good come out of either of those?
How about harm? |
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