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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.16 21:44:01 -
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A new release from FIO confirms a Black Eagle investigation into RP4 and the Kyonoke outbreaks. Full text below.
Quote:RENYN - The Federal Intelligence office has confirmed rumors circulating in the press that the Special Department of Internal Investigations and Federal Security, also known as the "Black Eagles", is in the midst of an investigation that may link the outbreak of Kyonoke Plague in Postouvin to acts of terrorism in the Federation.
During a statement made to the interstellar press on board FIO Headquarters in Renyn, Thoun Gaterau, Lead Field Agent & Administrator for the Black Eagles, commented that "an investigation is ongoing into the origins of the Kyonoke outbreak In Postouvin, and has been launched to ascertain whether an extremist Caldari Nationalist attack is responsible for the current situation on board the RP4 hemorphite processing platform."
When questioned regarding the nature of the investigation, Gaterau elaborated his belief that "Kyonoke originates on the Caldari side of the border, and until two weeks ago it was a Caldari problem. It does not strike me that the Caldari administration would want to share this problem with the wider cluster given the pathogen's voracious nature, and the certainty of death for anyone who comes into contact with it.
"My personal belief, after exploring the evidence so far with my colleagues, is that an as of yet unknown quantity is involved, and has launched a deliberate attack against the Federation and our allies."
Gaterau deflected further questions regarding the status of those still trapped on board the RP4 mining facility, referring questions to the Senate's Office of Press.
Despite knowing that it wasn't a Caldari State act, and despite the Caldari facing the gravest of the outbreaks, they state that the attack was clearly nationalist in nature.
Nevermind that outbreaks happened in every signatory state.
Maker, but I hate nationalists.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.16 21:45:58 -
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This just in. FIO claims that nothing is their fault and everything is our fault.
I mean, I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.16 21:48:58 -
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You know, I can't help but think rather a lot would be achieved if we could get FIO to share its Postouvin intel with the State Peacekeepers in return for their Myrskaa intel.
Our frigate black box in exchange for their... whatever they have?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.16 21:51:24 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:You know, I can't help but think rather a lot would be achieved if we could get FIO to share its Postouvin intel with the State Peacekeepers in return for their Myrskaa intel.
Our frigate black box in exchange for their... whatever they have?
Information shared is not information halved and I, for one, don't care if it's bloody Serpentis who cures this thing - so long as it gets cured.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.16 21:59:42 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You know, I can't help but think rather a lot would be achieved if we could get FIO to share its Postouvin intel with the State Peacekeepers in return for their Myrskaa intel.
Our frigate black box in exchange for their... whatever they have? Information shared is not information halved and I, for one, don't care if it's bloody Serpentis who cures this thing - so long as it gets cured. With you on that one, kirjuun.
How many beers do you want to bet on that "someone" being the same "entity" that got, and used, that recording of those Federal senators? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:08:38 -
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Well, honestly, there are a lot of potential entities that would do such recording.
For instance, it could even be FIO attempting to influence the Federation's response to this crisis.
Consider: when your life, livelihood, and purpose are tied up with paranoia about potential (and often imagined) plots from a given party, you tend to assume all action is a product of that party.
If Federal intelligence services are accustomed to assuming all threats are Caldari, and a Kyonoke outbreak occurs, what option is there but that it's a Caldari plot? It's wonderfully circular logic.
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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:11:47 -
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I appreciate when someone is intelligent enough to grasp my implications without a long explanation on my part, Priano-haani. |
Makoto Priano
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:19:22 -
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...sometimes, I am very dense.
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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:21:29 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:...sometimes, I am very dense. I was being honest. That wasn't a backhanded compliment. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:31:52 -
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Oh, it wasn't taken as one! I just realized that I'd engaged in my terrible habit of explaining something at length that is fairly easy to see.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3097
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Posted - 2017.03.16 22:45:23 -
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Considering Black Eagles are already known for genocide and torture, terrorism is actually their specialization. There were no Caldari terrorists for about 200 years. While Federals are responsible for: Malkalen, Highlander, genocide in Black Rise, these explosive prisons, where they torture POWs.
Conclusion is pretty much obvious: they say it just to cover themselves and trying to blame others.
A couple of days ago I was almost completely convinced that responsible for outbreak was Angel Cartel, but looking at how gallente swines are squirming I am changing my mind and now think that the outbreak was initiated by Black Eagles.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.03.16 23:27:28 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Despite knowing that it wasn't a Caldari State act, and despite the Caldari facing the gravest of the outbreaks, they state that the attack was clearly nationalist in nature.
We didn't read the same release, because I didn't read that anywhere. What they said was that they are investigating IF a Caldari affiliated terrorist group carried out the attack inside Gallente borders. And finding out WHO did it is pretty damn important, as to my knowledge who caused the outbreaks is still, as said in the release "an unknown quantity." Allow me to elaborate - it would be helpful to know if the disease was spread by a number of different disjointed groups or just one, singular group.
Of course, it is painfully obvious to me that someone or something is deliberately flamebaiting the Caldari by making such a remark that even implies that Caldari affiliated extremists could be responsible. Considering how adamantly you, Pieter and Diana have in the past claimed that the Caldari ultra-nationalist terrorists aren't representative of the Caldari as a whole, it sure seems surprisingly easy to rile you up accusing the likes of them. If this is something about the Caldari culture I can't understand then I apologize, but I really couldn't give a **** if someone accused some Minmatar affiliated extremists of terrorism. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
573
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Posted - 2017.03.16 23:53:03 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Despite knowing that it wasn't a Caldari State act, and despite the Caldari facing the gravest of the outbreaks, they state that the attack was clearly nationalist in nature. We didn't read the same release, because I didn't read that anywhere. What they said was that they are investigating IF a Caldari affiliated terrorist group carried out the attack inside Gallente borders. And finding out WHO did it is pretty damn important, as to my knowledge who caused the outbreaks is still, as said in the release "an unknown quantity." Allow me to elaborate - it would be helpful to know if the disease was spread by a number of different disjointed groups or just one, singular group. Of course, it is painfully obvious to me that someone or something is deliberately flamebaiting the Caldari by making such a remark that even implies that Caldari affiliated extremists could be responsible. Considering how adamantly you, Pieter and Diana have in the past claimed that the Caldari ultra-nationalist terrorists aren't representative of the Caldari as a whole, it sure seems surprisingly easy to rile you up accusing the likes of them. If this is something about the Caldari culture I can't understand then I apologize, but I really couldn't give a **** if someone accused some Minmatar affiliated extremists of terrorism. It's not so much the accusation, but rather that it's directed to those of us that everyone here should know better about by now. At least, that's my opinion on the matter.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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James Syagrius
Humble Trader Company
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Posted - 2017.03.17 00:05:23 -
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As I mentioned in another discussion yesterday.
James Syagrius wrote:Shocking indeed that the FIO would be dare investigate the States latest blunder, the apparent attempt to weaponize... a 'particular agent'. Goodness knows why the Federal Intelligence Office might be interested in that.
The FIO often deals in the probable, facts being what they are. The old game of what we believe, what we know and what we tell.
Could it be a Federal scheme, itGÇÖs possible, but unquestionably not likely, considering the scale of revolution that would herald.
Fascinating indeed, that our State friends are so obstinate in their refusal to even consider the possibility, that it was, what it appears to be.
No wonder then considering the recent past that I have grown to accept as true that the word for peace in the State is seminomas with a lie.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.17 03:09:54 -
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And now, pilots, we've had two very clear examples of why I hate nationalists, whether U-Nat or Provist.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 03:41:45 -
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James Syagrius wrote: Could it be a Federal scheme, itGÇÖs possible, but unquestionably not likely, considering the scale of revolution that would herald.
Ha. Ha. Ha. Like it could cause any revolution.
The basis of the Federation rule is a democracy, and it relies on people's stupidity. They are just like dumb herd of goats follow words of their overlords, swallowing all gallente propaganda as soon as it draws themselves as "right".
You don't even have to go far for examples. Just look at the situation with Gallente prisons in Black Rise. Everyone knows they are there. Everyone can see that the cells blow up if one of them is breached. Everyone knows they torture and starve prisoners of war there.
Well, everyone except gallente, because they were brainwashed to believe that they simply can't do this thing! And what is worse, it extends even to some capsuleers! Every capsuleer has an ability to go there and check it, but noo, some especially dumb ones just keep blindly barking that there's no such thing instead of going there and witnessing it with their own eyes!
Idiocy is the basis of gallente hegemony, ladies and gentlemen.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.03.17 03:55:24 -
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We are all paying now for the State's mistake.
As strength goes.
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Skyweir Kinnison
The Scope Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2017.03.17 08:22:15 -
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Ayallah wrote:We are all paying now for the State's mistake.
Precisely.
The State had this pathogen under its control for twenty years. It is not unreasonable to start from the position that State actors may be responsible for trialling its use as a weapon.
And before the "Liberals" start bundling en masse back into the thread to express their mock outrage, consider that this is a nation quite capable of sentencing a city to a slow death from starvation. It's perfectly probable they infected the city to start with, for both experimental and deflective purposes.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office Electus Matari
728
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Posted - 2017.03.17 08:54:46 -
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FIO: "You know, four simultaneous Kyonoke outbreaks are unlikely to be a coincidence or the work of any of the nation states in which they occured."
Bonus points for being the first official agency to actually say so, though.
Let the bridges we burn light the way.
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Crayons
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.17 09:20:37 -
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Now, I don't know much about investing possible bioweapon attacks. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:33:34 -
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James Syagrius wrote:As I mentioned in another discussion yesterday. James Syagrius wrote:Shocking indeed that the FIO would be dare investigate the States latest blunder, the apparent attempt to weaponize... a 'particular agent'. Goodness knows why the Federal Intelligence Office might be interested in that. The FIO often deals in the probable, facts being what they are. The old game of what we believe, what we know and what we tell. Could it be a Federal scheme, itGÇÖs possible, but unquestionably not likely, considering the scale of revolution that would herald. Fascinating indeed, that our State friends are so obstinate in their refusal to even consider the possibility, that it was, what it appears to be. No wonder then considering the recent past that I have grown to accept as true that the word for peace in the State is seminomas with a lie.
Actually, James, it's more that the word for Federal Diplomat is synonymous with liar - because everytime they come talking about peace, something of ours seems to blow up. It's getting to be something you can set your watch by.
And, lo, just when peace seems to be on the verge of breaking out, we have yet another tragedy - this time breaking out in all four nations. Would you put it past the FIO to have engineered this? I wouldn't.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
915
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:44:45 -
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Well, Roden stock prices are important, after all.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:55:39 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Precisely.
The State had this pathogen under its control for twenty years. It is not unreasonable to start from the position that State actors may be responsible for trialling its use as a weapon.
And before the "Liberals" start bundling en masse back into the thread to express their mock outrage, consider that this is a nation quite capable of sentencing a city to a slow death from starvation. It's perfectly probable they infected the city to start with, for both experimental and deflective purposes.
Skyweir Kinnison wrote: "Liberals" mock outrage they infected the city to start with
Do you really think we are so hateful that we'd sacrifice 36 million of our own in a false flag to kill eight million Gallente?
At the very least, this crisis is showing us who the bigoted idiots are.
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:FIO: "You know, four simultaneous Kyonoke outbreaks are unlikely to be a coincidence or the work of any of the nation states in which they occured."
Bonus points for being the first official agency to actually say so, though.
That in itself is reasonable. Simultaneous outbreaks in all four empires sounds very much like a coordinated effort to start a pandemic, apparently thwarted by a rapid response on the part of local authorities.
What vexes me about the FIO statement is that it starts with the initial assumption Caldari extremists were the source, and confirmation bias is a terrible thing within an organization that for generations focused on the notion of Caldari aggression.
It's space, pilots. While this attack doesn't make sense from a state actor, the list of potential non-state actors remains very long, and we absolutely lack definitive data.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:21:43 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: What vexes me about the FIO statement is that it starts with the initial assumption Caldari extremists were the source, and confirmation bias is a terrible thing within an organization that for generations focused on the notion of Caldari aggression.
No, it starts with a question: "Were Caldari extremists behind this?"
That's not an assumption of guilt, that's a 'We're going to look into this, so let's set up a rational the Senate will take so instead of complaining about the cost'.
Nor, for the record, does 'Caldari' mean a state (or State) actor. A group of nutjobs from Perimeter who think destabilizing everything will lead to wider war and the opportunity for the Caldari Navy to crush the Federation once and for all would qualify. Get the Empires looking inward, get them suspicious of their allies...
I'm not saying it makes sense, but nutjobs are, well, nutjobs. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
794
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:34:54 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: What vexes me about the FIO statement is that it starts with the initial assumption Caldari extremists were the source, and confirmation bias is a terrible thing within an organization that for generations focused on the notion of Caldari aggression.
Even if it did start with such an assumption, which it did not, Caldari extremists would be the most obvious candidates for a terror attack on the Federation. For someone who hates nationalists, you seem to read these through very nationalistic lenses yourself. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:04:13 -
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Teinhyr, by definition, the question 'Were Caldari nationalists behind this?' is more circumscribed than 'Who was behind this?'
Further, by circumscribing the area of focus to the attack on the Federation, instead of recognizing the very serious (and in the State's case far more severe!) attacks on the other signatory states, FIO predisposes itself to looking toward Caldari actors as a source.
Arrendis's case is the most reasonable description of one in which a Caldari non-state, extremist actor might justify attacks against all four nations, by attempting to create an Elder Fleet-like crisis that precipitates rapid movement.
At the same time, we lack anything remotely definitive about the attacks, and so that theory is tenuous if not simply specious.
And I'll be perfectly frank here: when Gallente nationalists are saying that clearly the State was trying to weaponize Kyonoke, and clearly the State is cruel and evil because we were compelled to quarantine 36 million of our own and that demonstrates our willingness to use bioweapons, I'm going to be forthright about obvious bias by an organization like FIO, and the danger of accepting their statements or judgments without critical analysis because it confirms our own biases.
What we know at this time can be summed up as so:
- Kyonoke originates from the Taisy system, where the Pit has been under cordon for over twenty years.
- Two or perhaps three breaches of the Pit have occurred. YC101, YC112 suspected, YC119. The latest is suspected but not confirmed to be the related breach.
- Ohmon Kasaras, Home Guard pilot on leave was found dead at the site, nature of involvement unknown.
- The Kasaras family, Jaron and Akira Kasaras, are missing, circumstances unknown.
So. Right now, we know a Caldari family was involved in some way, but we don't know if Ohmon was operating under duress, nor do we know the status of Jaron or Akira. We have theories about all of it, but lack information.
I could venture into the rarefied atmosphere with strange speculation about FIO and Gallente agents, considering that we all know the reputation of the Black Eagles, but frankly I think I've had enough of people speaking knowingly about whatever pet conspiracy theory they have.
Simply said, we lack information, and we need to get past flinging feces and to actually trying to work on this in a constructive way.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:20:48 -
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Tinfoil merchants must make a killing in New Eden.
Maybe one day we will get a resolution to the many multiplying mysteries in the cluster and then we can finally know who was right (which is what really matters it seems). |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2931
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:24:14 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Further, by circumscribing the area of focus to the attack on the Federation, instead of recognizing the very serious (and in the State's case far more severe!) attacks on the other signatory states, FIO predisposes itself to looking toward Caldari actors as a source.
To be fiar, FIO might be using the investigation as a way to look into all fourGÇöand they almost certainly are doing just that. They'd never actually admit that, though, because they wouldn't want to openly confirm 'you know those assets in other empires we deny are us? We have them asking questions.' They're simply not going to ever publicly confirm 'we are currently conducting operations in all four empires' of any sort, even if we all know they and their counterparts do that every day.
So any public statements of current investigations will always refer only to events within the purview of the Federation government.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
794
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:33:30 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Teinhyr, by definition, the question 'Were Caldari nationalists behind this?' is more circumscribed than 'Who was behind this?'
Simply said, we lack information, and we need to get past flinging feces and to actually trying to work on this in a constructive way.
So basicly you just said what I said earlier.
And you are one of those people flinging **** / inciting flamewars, right in the opening post, whether you admit it or not. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:38:56 -
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Arrendis; I suppose that's a fair justification for deliberations with the Senate, to perhaps secure additional funding. At the same time, it certainly doesn't help with multilateral efforts to resolve a crisis. Of course, Blaque and Roden, as well you noted, have no particular desire to see multilateral efforts.
Teinyhr; by decrying nationalists, circular logic, and stated bias?
Well, paint me brown and call me a feces-flinger.
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