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Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2274	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:49:59 - [91] - Quote Vayen Kukkus wrote: Monocle riots when?! When they do Monocles again? Now you may form some "where is mu Aurum" riots. Or wait if they post a new solution.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2729	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:54:12 - [92] - Quote Vayen Kukkus wrote: Monocle riots wen?! Never, I think. The ship has already sailed and the crew is different now anyway. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2274	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:56:37 - [93] - Quote Copy pasting your stuff to different places does not make it more valid. While I am used to a certain amount of "the sky is falling" I would like to know if you have any actual clues that led to your grim prophecies or just assuming the worst possible case. Teros Hakomairos wrote: I find it really funny what an naive approach some people have here.... so.....they opend this microtransaction door just to sell more skins and woman skirts? really? so CCP "knew that 70% of the playerbase would ragequit if they do"..... Do they? Or does the money count more in this case and the "old subscription system is outdated and will be obsolet in a short time"? Well maybe i'm way to suspiciously.maybe i'm to old and experienced to get fooled the way some people seemed to be..... But i doubt that they,once they opend the MT door,will only sell "blinky skirty tools".... They will also sell "shiny ingame advantage tools"...... Some here saw that coming months ago and were laughed over.... Some were right......
Trevorr Stjohnsmythe Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 20:31:43 - [94] - Quote Huge stickers for ships, you know the bads ones people have on their cars now More clothes. Lots more. Why the hell don't we have a crapton already? I do like the idea of training speed ups
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1388	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:00:37 - [95] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Teros Hakomairos wrote: Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship? You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status? Personally, I'm waiting for a "discounted" Omega subscription option that doesn't allow for skill training. Oh wait, skill extractors are that discount option. Are we further down the slippery slope than we realized? Or is CCP keeping EVE EVE by creatively avoiding the more hated aspects of MTs? Personally, I think MTs will be targeted at the Alpha accounts. Alphas would be a prime candidate for paying MT to exceed Alpha restrictions. Maybe use MTs to allow Alphas to cross train into other race's hulls? How about Skill Tiers for Alphas; e.g. pay a MT fee to allow your Alpha to (barely) skill into and thus use T2 weapons during a sub period? It would be a way to incrementally draw Alphas deeper into the game without overtly "forcing" them to pay the full Omega price. It would also be a way to granularize subs without granularizing sub times. I love this analogy and explaination along with your follow up post. Alphas can buy into omega status incrementally or just buy omega status period. Then there is ZERO power creep nor gold ammo at all. What we have and pay for fully as Omegas IS the best status. This would be a sufficient and valuable tool to do both sub accounts and F2P accounts making ONLY the F2P accounts, Alphas, have to pay extra to get where Omega already is, and more importantly ALWAYS will be. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1388	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:07:49 - [96] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. All ammo already can deal a specific damage type as needed to take advantage of the resist hole(cough cough but hybrid guns). One would just have to know what they are facing and swap ammo. Wrong. Both hybrids and lasers have two set damage types only. Only missiles and Projectiles have variable dps and only missiles have variable dps into the T2 tree, projectiles is limited only to two damage types in T2. That being said. If you had say lasers, Conflag is 50/50 EM/Therm, have ,say for arguments sake, 20 dps, so 10 Em and 10 therm but the new Drifter ammo would be omni dps but instead of 5/5/5/5 EM/TH/KIN/EXP it might be 4/4/4/4 instead. Which means that though you gain the omni damage types it would always be UNDER the full raw dps/HP amount of specialized ammo it wouldnt give a distinct advantage to omni dps types over the regular ammos. Couple that with the KNOWLEDGE you would need to know and find a resist hole and exploit it with the appropriate ammo would give you said advantage then it would NOT be Gold ammo in the slightest and a viable NEW ammo type. And then to make that purchasable, "idiot ammo" if you will, in the NES store WOULD be acceptable to me. Dont think, buy Drifter and shoot. Think a bit more and use the right tool for the job! Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1388	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:17:55 - [97] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it.. Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins. I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play. Right with what? Maybe I just work differently than you, but if a game starts to look more and more like a store front and less like a game I get a bit turned off. The result is that CCP already gets less money from me than they got for years because the product already lost value in my eyes. I rather buy a full game with that money where I get all the content and not just a fraction. Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? Are you playing less accounts these days in Omega status? Because that would be the ONLY way to give them less money. If you switched from subs to PLEX you are giving them more money if it is the same number of accounts. I dont see how you are not buying the full game with any sub type, be it cash, credit or PLEX but thats just me. I must work differently to you, I think you are right. That being said you can value something differently than me, in fact that ISNT being different than me as I have the same ability to value anything at any level just like you. And though it saddens me to see you not valuing the game as much the law of diminishing returns kinda says that over time it should lose value so alright. Btw on a side note, if you are extracting your accounts because you dont need more SP anymore on them, but still plexing them in any way you are actually making CCP MORE isk than you did with just a sub. Subs run 11-15 USD dependent of the package. PLEX runs 20 USD. Extractors cost about 15-22 USD depending on if you take the cheapest bundle or individuals and if you do only 3 or 4 extractors. Which means for every SP farmed account you are paying CCP twice. Someone has had to buy the PLEX AND the extractors. So you are paying CCP 35-42USD per active farmed account. I think this is GOOD for CCP and allows us to play and have fun in a very unique game. So I certainly would give CCP more money for this option TYVM. I love CCP as they are extremely smart.... sometimes.... But like all humans they are fallible and make mistakes. I am entirely okay with this. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Kaybella Hakaari State War Academy Caldari State 60	Posted - 2017.03.22 02:14:47 - [98] - Quote If you set up the right PvP environment and get the right whales, you can get people to spend ludicrous amounts of money trying to fight each other. That's exactly the kind of cliff we need to be afraid of CCP driving over. The kind of game in that article right there is the reason free-to-play makes some of the vets in this game break out in a cold sweat and go crazy whenever someone said "Please make EVE F2P" in the F+I forum. They are right be afraid of a freemium-oriented redesign of EVE, because they'd have to choose to pony up stupid amounts of money, be second-class players, or just leave. If CCP really wanted to, they could make a lot of golden ships, skills, and mods, and let us push the sunk-cost fallacy really hard for ourselves-for a while. Some of us aren't, but doing exactly that is going to make the universe very empty. Our only defense as players against CCP (or any game publisher) doing exactly that is to fill Reddit and the forums with stuff like: "That's not the game I signed up to play! I see what's going on there, it won't work!" even though we know it already did.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2275	Posted - 2017.03.22 08:28:40 - [99] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And then to make that purchasable, "idiot ammo" if you will, in the NES store WOULD be acceptable to me. Dont think, buy Drifter and shoot. Think a bit more and use the right tool for the job! Yeah, I saw that one: Either buy one kind of "spell material" per level of spells you use (max 9) OR buy "omni spell material" from the store and never have that "****, can't cast level 5 spells anymore because I ran out of material" moment. I didn't mind that one much, it was just about not beeing lazy and check your equipment on regular basis. But I hated the "without MT your backpack is soooo tiny" one. That was a kick in the groin.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3792	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:02:07 - [100] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? By literally not giving them money out of my pocket/cc. Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And this is how PLEX works... Yes yes, I know how PLEX works. I don't care how much "more" they earn because I don't pay them money any more... I hope you don't work in accounting or something... The point was that I chose to not spend more money out of my pocket on the game because it lost value in my eyes. The fact that the same feature which devalued the game for me allowed me to keep the accounts subscribed for free is just a coincidence and a rather ironic one. I can understand the shift away from subscriptions and to a micro-transaction model if those are the dominant factors to reach new players today. But EVE has not shifted away from subscriptions and got micro-transactions for non-vanity items in the shop anyway and that is where I have a problem with the direction of the game. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014

Teros Hakomairos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:42:25 - [101] - Quote All those "arguments" here are just a defense line to justify CCP's decision to open the game for MT...... A decision that was wrong way before the first day alphas go live....the injectors were the first kick in the ass of tradition,even unlimited skill que is part of it..... I mean why.....24 hours were good enough..... The "We always have Mt" argument is the best joke of it all.... No we hadn't for 10 years and no change of the game was needed not in the clone status,neither in the skill que nor were injectors "needed"...... All those "flawed updates" were just the preparation for the transformation of a once special game into a norm pay2win ftp crap...... The next steps that will follow can be used as eye opener for those who say "you're exaggerating pal,they will NEVER do this because of tradition and ragequits blablabla" And i BET we will find that some people even will dig out some "arguments" why "this is a good thing"..... As i said some people said this would happen long before and left the game at first sign of ftp......i was hoping ......i was naive..... Those people were right and i found it btw very disturbing to see that some others are willing to go the whole way with ccp in that "destruction of eve" and never seem to have a slight problem with EVERY decision they make..... sad....
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1892	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:47:04 - [102] - Quote Drake Aihaken wrote: With the proposed PLEX changes, it looks like we'll soon be getting more microtransactions. Instead of debating whether not this is a good idea (fairly certain these are here to stay), let's discuss what additions and ideas might be expanded with microtransactions. * More ship SKINs (obviously), but also new Alliance SKINs * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial: * Skill training accelerators (24-hours). * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. * Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls). * Drifter characters and ships. 1. Obviously. 2. Attributes need to be removed completely. They serve little to no purpose other than to confuse players. 3. No. 4. Yes. 5. Already exists in a way, could be interesting to expand upon. 6. Hell fcking no. 7. Hell fcking no. 8. Hell f*cking no. No modules, ships or character types should ever be restricted to micro transactions. Ever. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1390	Posted - 2017.03.22 13:05:51 - [103] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? By literally not giving them money out of my pocket/cc. Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And this is how PLEX works... Yes yes, I know how PLEX works. I don't care how much "more" they earn because I don't pay them money any more... I hope you don't work in accounting or something... The point was that I chose to not spend more money out of my pocket on the game because it lost value in my eyes. The fact that the same feature which devalued the game for me allowed me to keep the accounts subscribed for free is just a coincidence and a rather ironic one. I can understand the shift away from subscriptions and to a micro-transaction model if those are the dominant factors to reach new players today. But EVE has not shifted away from subscriptions and got micro-transactions for non-vanity items in the shop anyway and that is where I have a problem with the direction of the game. Well if I dont work in accounting then you dont work in logic, but then again you are a CODE.r so.... The only way you can give CCP less money isnt just out of your own pocket you know. By PLEXing you are working for someone in game for what they have paid for out of game. Time==money. The difference in peoples minds is that its just a game. I played rugby and got paid $900 for my last season of rugby. Its not much but its not nothing. Yet I was just playing a game correct? I fought MMA I got paid $500 for 2:53 of "work." But remember I was simply playing a game wasnt I? PLEX is like getting that money for your in game time, regardless of who you are and you ARE then giving it to CCP by subbing your account. So regardless of where the cash itself is coming from CCP IS getting paid and any other argument is frankly invalid. So unless you are subbing fewer accounts you arent paying CCP less and like in my original post you are in fact paying them more. I guess in this case the CODE loses? @Gregorius Goldstein Yes that is why I suggested it as a decent alternative simply because it wouldnt be a silly gold ammo aspect and works with the omni tank and dps of drifters anyway. Making it do more dps I would have an issue with. +1 for you. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3793	Posted - 2017.03.22 13:27:03 - [104] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: The only way you can give CCP less money isnt just out of your own pocket you know. By PLEXing you are working for someone in game for what they have paid for out of game. Time==money. The difference in peoples minds is that its just a game. The facts are: - I pay them 30$ less each month because the game lost value in my opinion. Some other scrub pays for my PLEX and the extractors, I really don't care - I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP It is adorable how hard you try to make it look like this is a win for CCP. If you did not notice everyone and his mother know how PLEX works, but that was never the point. Just because I use PLEX instead of a subscription does not magically increase the PLEX supply on the market. It will probably if the price rises because there is more incentive to sell PLEX for those who want ISK for $. But on the other hand it could also discourage someone who grinds for the PLEX because it got too expensive from playing the game. I don't have that problem because I don't have to grind and SP is pretty much coupled to the PLEX price. But thank god you don't work in accounting. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Brian Paone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 13:52:24 - [105] - Quote Drake Aihaken wrote: * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. Since I'm on a character limit, I don't really have all the space necessary to break down why this can't ever happen, so I'll just try to stick to a few main points: * Given that the premise of the game is centered largely around blowing each other up, anything that makes it impossible to do (or even significantly raises the bar) is inherently problematic as it goes directly against the theme of the game. * A cooldown of any kind in this case can be easily mitigated simply by logging into another account. * I'm really not sure how this mechanic would work in a fleet setting. Would the fleet have to be invulnerable? Can a fleet be unstoppable if certain components go invulnerable for even a limited time? It'd take quite a bit of QA and bugtesting to find out, which can draw resources from development of new content. There's a lot more that weighs on my mind, but those three points, honestly, are enough to give me insurmountable reservations personally.
Teros Hakomairos Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2017.03.25 11:00:31 - [106] - Quote Instead of discussing WHAT MT shall be come we should discuss how we get rid of them completely(yes also those we alrady have like injectors).... It's time for a new monocle rebellion........
Salvos Rhoska 2556	Posted - 2017.03.25 14:23:01 - [107] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: - I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP. Explain please. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3800	Posted - 2017.03.25 19:07:41 - [108] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: - I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP. Explain please. Why? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Josef Djugashvilis 3540	Posted - 2017.03.25 22:28:49 - [109] - Quote Barbie items are fine. That's it. This is not a signature.
Terminal Insanity Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1011	Posted - 2017.03.25 23:55:31 - [110] - Quote so if i have 1000 aurum how many plex will i get from that when it gets converted? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

ApexDynamo Hazardous Wormhole Rebels 14	Posted - 2017.03.26 01:27:36 - [111] - Quote 5th race be nice 4 gets boring super quick -New ship skins like the ones you see that serenity gets -new class of ships that can be bought with plex only, kinda like premium ships that you would see on world of tanks or world of warships with bonuses to ratting ticks or armor/shield resists etc -player built stargates, 3-4 years still waiting, -Proximity bombs that can be put on gates or outside of station kinda like the old anaconda mines -new clothse be nice. I want all my miner alts to have farmer outfits :)
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 171	Posted - 2017.03.26 01:55:50 - [112] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: so if i have 1000 aurum how many plex will i get from that when it gets converted? 0. you get nothing


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