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Drake Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.03.17 06:49:42 -
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With the proposed PLEX changes, it looks like we'll soon be getting more microtransactions. Instead of debating whether not this is a good idea (fairly certain these are here to stay), let's discuss what additions and ideas might be expanded with microtransactions.
* More ship SKINs (obviously), but also new Alliance SKINs * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few
Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Skill training accelerators (24-hours). * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. * Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls). * Drifter characters and ships. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1241
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Posted - 2017.03.17 07:12:21 -
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>New
lol, we all knew this was coming the moment they started selling hats.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
312
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Posted - 2017.03.17 07:14:12 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:With the proposed PLEX changes, it looks like we'll soon be getting more microtransactions. Instead of debating whether not this is a good idea (fairly certain these are here to stay), let's discuss what additions and ideas might be expanded with microtransactions.
* More ship SKINs (obviously), but also new Alliance SKINs * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few
Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Skill training accelerators (24-hours). * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. * Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls). * Drifter characters and ships.
Yes No No Yes
Maybe **** no **** no! **** no. |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
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Posted - 2017.03.17 07:38:16 -
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drifter ammo that does omni damage and improve tracking. also has a chance to break the target's lock - 100 per uplex/ 1000 ammo slot bonus upgrade, adds a slot of your choice (low, med, high, rig) to a ship - 150 uplex for 1 day/15 plexes permanent resistant skins, special ship skins that gives resists - 100 uplex 1 day/10 plexes permanent
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.17 07:50:04 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:drifter ammo that does omni damage and improve tracking. also has a chance to break the target's lock - 100 per uplex/ 1000 ammo slot bonus upgrade, adds a slot of your choice (low, med, high, rig) to a ship - 150 uplex for 1 day/15 plexes permanent resistant skins, special ship skins that gives resists - 100 uplex 1 day/10 plexes permanent
here we go make it golden ammo and its a deal
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
903
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Posted - 2017.03.17 08:00:40 -
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As long as the items you buy are cosmetic or need to be combined with something only available in-game to work (i.e. skill extractors), I don't have a problem and I doubt there will be much push back from the community.
If the NES starts selling things that confer an in-game advantage - i.e. implants or skins that provide a bonus, I think we'll have a problem. It will largely be a perceptual problem - we've been able to turn cash into PLEX and use it to buy things in-game for a long time but people will still perceive it as pay-to-win and object.
Otherwise, more granular PLEX is a good thing. Having 3 virtual currencies never made any sense. 2 are necessary - PLEX to real world currency exchange rate is constant. PLEX to ISK exchange rate floats.
I do think it will result in more business for the NES and provide a useful ISK sink for the game. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2017.03.17 08:28:00 -
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Incarna is back.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2017.03.17 08:59:51 -
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Zinfandel rises once again, we need our $1000 jeans. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2103
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Posted - 2017.03.17 09:07:32 -
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The real question is: why new char to post?
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4015
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Posted - 2017.03.17 09:19:36 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Skill training accelerators (24-hours). * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. * Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls). * Drifter characters and ships.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4015
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Posted - 2017.03.17 09:20:27 -
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I WANT FEDORAS AND NAMECHANGES
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2017.03.17 09:38:02 -
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Money and time are both virtual items, and relate to each other.
Paying more means more done in the time. That's the simplified version.
So, what are things that take time that could be put into a fast queue, if you pay.
Training has been done.
Perhaps industrial building?
Perhaps Citadel building time?
Perhaps a faster industrial ship?
Faster auto-pilot?
A whole new universe of faster action beckons.
Some spoilsports might argue that it's pay to win.
But there is no win in EVE.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 10:12:55 -
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Monocles and gold ammo, all over again.
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 11:40:02 -
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GUYS!!!
This is the curse of FTP.
I't now like it is and all the complaining is useless....
That this will come was clear the moment they called out FTP....
It's also clear that we will soon welcome "beta,gamma,delta and so on clones wihich hve "slight advantages" over alphas,but cost less than omegas....
Get used to it or cry in anger...it does not matter...no monocle riot this time like it was last time....the game has changed.players have changed......
They see no "problem" in those kind of microtransations like we did....
They know it from other games and find those kind of things "normal".
So no....no riots like a couple of years ago over the monocle....
Opinions against MT are outdated....they are a relict of better times.....
THIS is reality today....MT are "normal"..... |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.17 11:42:08 -
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keep calm and carry on shooting red crosses (but dont violate the geneva convention) looks like theyre gonna have to be green crosses now |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:11:21 -
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GOLD AMMO Instant ship repair instant teleportation between systems apply 100 plex to reduce production time by 25% and other similar stuff.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:32:27 -
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The really funny thing, is they seem to think the PLEX tycoons and EVE rich will buy any of these.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:34:17 -
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Item Shop SoonGäó
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:36:19 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The really funny thing, is they seem to think the PLEX tycoons and EVE rich will buy any of these. The problem, for the rest of us, is some of them will. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.17 12:38:24 -
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Kaybella Hakaari wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:The really funny thing, is they seem to think the PLEX tycoons and EVE rich will buy any of these. The problem, for the rest of us, is some of them will.
obviously they will! seen it happening in so many games!
just a matter of time sadly. |
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2017.03.17 13:42:48 -
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CCP is so desperate for cash..
I wonder if they'll begin selling seagull's or mimic's used ........................socks! |
roberts dragon
Beak Enterprises TRUE VINE
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Posted - 2017.03.17 13:50:53 -
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does this mean we get like premium fully fitted out ships , santa hat would love a santa hat , go faster stripes , fluffy dice , and of course the nodding dog .
maybe officers walkin home with all the mods cons , drone maids well have to have them and with designer outfits .and with the wallet warriors just buy it , what ever station you are in .
well since many games have this as a buisness model and brings in the cash its a no-brainer to what will happen or time .
gets the popcorn out , pity cant make tin foil hats how much isk i make , sorry but do see the funny side at least gave me a chuckle . |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.17 13:54:30 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:CCP is so desperate for cash..
I wonder if they'll begin selling seagull's or mimic's used ........................socks! any null whale would happily pay $100k for seaguls socks
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:12:36 -
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This is again one of those things that shows "slippery slope" is real.
As a Finn, I am an expert on slippery icy slopes.
One single misstep, and your ass is snowballing downhill thereafter. You can forget about conveniently stopping when you want, to have a cup of tea, mid-slope. This ride doesnt stop till you reach the bottom.
And you can forget about climbing back up afterwards. Not possible. Not even one step.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:29:41 -
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JC Mieyli wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:CCP is so desperate for cash..
I wonder if they'll begin selling seagull's or mimic's used ........................socks! any null whale would happily pay $100k for seaguls socks
$200k FOR MIMIC'S TOOTHBRUSH! |
Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:35:41 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote: slot bonus upgrade, adds a slot of your choice (low, med, high, rig) to a ship - 150 uplex for 1 day/15 plexes permanent resistant skins, special ship skins that gives resists - 100 uplex 1 day/10 plexes permanent
here we go
i want a cape that flaps behind my ship as I speed up. That should be worth 30 mini plex
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Yorrick Kayne
Kosmische Kollegen
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:38:15 -
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Make the Mini-PLEX drop and I am a happy Pilot. |
Jacques d'Orleans
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:40:15 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:
I wonder if they'll begin selling seagull's or mimic's used ........................socks!
Could be a way to earn some serious money in Japan
Have you seen Robocop? Many people don't know that it's actually a documentary.
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:43:30 -
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Yorrick Kayne wrote:Make the Mini-PLEX drop and I am a happy Pilot. this would actually help a lot more but they dont need a plex drop pvp no longer exists pve does no money to be made in destroyed plex anymore |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:45:41 -
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what i mean is you cant drive up prices of plex by destroying plex because pvp no longer exists only way to drive up plex value is to cause isk inflation and that is done with power creep pve boats |
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:49:32 -
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Yorrick Kayne wrote:Make the Mini-PLEX drop and I am a happy Pilot.
Id be happy too, but it would annihilate CCPs income.
Mini-PLEX serves just to make the EVE/PLEX rich even richer, cos they can compete on the market with 1/500th of a PLEX, and down 0.1isk it, 500 times.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:49:39 -
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I...I would pay for a drifter character...
I know my own weakness...
*sob* I hate myself
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
237
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:55:22 -
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JC Mieyli wrote:make it golden ammo and its a deal A kinetic damage type projectile with the core made of pure gold. Because of gold's density it bypasses shields with zero damageGǪ and because of gold's malleability it splats on armor dealing zero damage. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:02:39 -
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CCP can i have a pink teddy bear to stick on the spike at the front of my caracal?
That would be worth RL money!
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:38:43 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:drifter ammo that does omni damage and improve tracking. also has a chance to break the target's lock - 100 per uplex/ 1000 ammo slot bonus upgrade, adds a slot of your choice (low, med, high, rig) to a ship - 150 uplex for 1 day/15 plexes permanent resistant skins, special ship skins that gives resists - 100 uplex 1 day/10 plexes permanent
here we go Yup what about ammo that cloaks me? |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:50:18 -
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Great!
This concept has proven very profitable for WoT.
PAY 2 WIN! Finally in a galaxy near you!
That slope is supersteep, bring your "J+ñ+ñnaskalit"
El Asso Wuppo.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:53:12 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Great!
This concept has proven very profitable for WoT.
PAY 2 WIN! Finally in a galaxy near you! New eden: you have to give us this much money to win this fight |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:56:53 -
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Lets start with camo-skins, makes you a little bit harder to lock target.
Can you start feeling the steepness?
El Asso Wuppo.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
574
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:58:12 -
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CCP how much to bring PL and NC down? |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:35:08 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:That slope is supersteep, bring your "J+ñ+ñnaskalit" Touche, veli.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:55:30 -
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This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.17 21:25:29 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation.
In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items.
Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game.
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:00:38 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions
Now its free 2 play. If you want advantages you need to pay.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:05:16 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation. In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items. Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game. DMC I'm a hypocrite for saying it because im an alpha and i wouldn't be able too play without the alpha clones but it's stupid to expect people to pay for a game than go into a game and pay more money to unlock content they've already paid for.
No different than disc locked dlc, it's completely reprehensible. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:09:45 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Now its free 2 play. If you want advantages you need to pay. No it's not. Microtransactions in this game dont provide any advantages unless your specifically talking about buying and selling plex for instantaneous disposable idk. If you want all the content in this game you still have to pay in some form. Why would you voluntarily pay for the same service twice without die sort of serious mental defect.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
411
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:41:19 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Now its free 2 play. If you want advantages you need to pay. No it's not. Microtransactions in this game dont provide any advantages unless your specifically talking about buying and selling plex for instantaneous disposable idk. If you want all the content in this game you still have to pay in some form. Why would you voluntarily pay for the same service twice without die sort of serious mental defect.
not yet they don't. they are having to make up for the numbers we used to have. I used to log on at any time and see 40-50k online years ago. saw those numbers again with alpha but they went back down and they are looking for other ways of funding. it also doesn't help when they design other games and quit like the vampire mmorpg they were making or scrapping dust514 because "programming is hard".
reading their bits of dev blogs where they change things or take things completely out shows they aren't the brightest over there at hq.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.18 13:18:13 -
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Let me predict what comes next ... subscriptions for money will be phased out, Omega time is then only available via PLEX. This could be combined with a small reduction in PLEX prices to compensate, but would make CCP probably more money in the long run.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.03.18 13:47:22 -
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DLC Pack: Walking in Spaces
You can now walk in a mutherfracking station |O| In addition to this, you can also purchase different interior station skins. Have you ever dreamed of the inside of an EVE station looking like Earth Spacedock? Well now it can! Wait that isn't all :O Now you can also walk in your ships *Mind Blown*. Do you want the interior of your ship to look like the famous Battlestar Galactica? Well now it can! You can even customize the interior look of your Captain's Quarters. All of these options will allow you to customize the look and layout of the interior spaces of your choice.
For an additional cost you can buy a wide selection of NPC's to interact with so you can pretend you actually have friends. Chose from a variety of strippers, slaves, and more to walk around in your spaces when you aren't. You can even buy maids that will simulate cleaning your dirty ass stations and ships! And if that isn't enough you can even buy mounts to help you get around faster, cause these stations (and ships) are pretty HUGE.
DLC Pack: Pets in Space
Now you can buy pets that will follow you around loyally and help you confuse the living **** out of your enemies. Want a Titan for a pet? It might not be able to shoot back, but it will simulate a fake doomsday attack. How about having a pet carrier? Have this bad girl follow you around and it will on command simulate a fake but convincing cyno field. Ever get bored in space while waiting for a fleet to get ready? Well now in addition to owning these amazing new pets you can also queue up automagically and fight against other capsuleers pets! Don't like their pets? Put a bounty on a capsuleers pets to get revenge for destroying your precious loyal friend. |
Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.18 14:58:43 -
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subscriptins have to stay WAY over every possible MT regarding benefit and possibilities.....
why?
Because this stays a sub based game and every further step towards a ftp madness ccp will have to fight and will have to take out of our dead hands....
the line is drawn here...... |
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Posted - 2017.03.18 15:48:07 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Incarna is back. How bad was incarna. What did they try to do. I was here before that but fell off due to computer issues and just coming back.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.03.18 17:04:16 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Let me predict what comes next ... subscriptions for money will be phased out, Omega time is then only available via PLEX. This could be combined with a small reduction in PLEX prices to compensate, but would make CCP probably more money in the long run. They better not |
Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.20 10:09:27 -
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Welcome to 2017 where the announcement of Microtransaction in Eve don't cause a 50 side shitstrom in forum anymore.....
If there really was a proof necessary that the brainwash of the community regarding this has worked and "the players have changed since than" well....here it is...micro transaction are,beside for a couple of people that are "stuck in the past"....completely "normal"
This is so sad.....
eve once was special in fact the community was so annoyed by the simple announcement of the monocle that they rebelled and forced ccp to take it back...and today? nothing.......
MT are "normal"...... |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.20 10:16:13 -
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We are resigned to our fate.
And the powers that be stand to benefit from 1/500 PLEX, as it effectively multiples their PLEX stockpiles by 500%. And also from the wiping of < 1000 Aurum player capital, against their own stockpiles which ARE converted to PLEX units.
Now that PLEX is in 1/500 units, they can more readily compete against incidental PLEX introduction.
GJ on an other successful CCP AWOX. Im legit impressed.
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Aves Asio
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Posted - 2017.03.20 10:42:24 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Welcome to 2017 where the announcement of Microtransaction in Eve don't cause a 50 side shitstrom in forum anymore.....
If there really was a proof necessary that the brainwash of the community regarding this has worked and "the players have changed since than" well....here it is...micro transaction are,beside for a couple of people that are "stuck in the past"....completely "normal"
This is so sad.....
eve once was special in fact the community was so annoyed by the simple announcement of the monocle that they rebelled and forced ccp to take it back...and today? nothing.......
MT are "normal"......
Most of those old ppl left and the new kids that came think that this is normal because they have grown up with mt and p2w. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.20 10:51:14 -
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Aves Asio wrote:Most of those old ppl left and the new kids that came think that this is normal because they have grown up with mt and p2w.
Majority of players dont even known this is happening. Majority of readers, are on reddit. Reddit is filled with threads about an FCs butthole pictures.
This change is in the interest of the "old ppl" left with huge PLEX stockpiles.
New kids have no idea this is happening, nor of its implications. It aint their fault.
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Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.20 12:48:12 -
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Kathern Aurilen wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Incarna is back. How bad was incarna. What did they try to do. I was here before that but fell off due to computer issues and just coming back.
Here's a tldr I've copypasted in the past.
>CCP hypes the poop out of its latest expansion >Expansion is generally ass, melts CPUs >Cash shop is introduced with expansion >Monocles for 80 dollars >Internal CCP newsletter is leaked which talks about how great PayToWin microtransactions are >CCP remains quiet >CCP cracks, finally says "oh god please give us a chance to explain in a dev blog" >Dev blog is released >Dev blog says in effect "OUR EXPANSION IS GREAT OUR PRICES ARE GREAT WE'RE GREAT F*** YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR MONEY" >The players get pissed >An internal e-mail is leaked >The CEO basically says "f*** the customers we want money" >The players are MAD AS HELL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE >Jita statue gets shot at
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stoicfaux
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Drake Aihaken wrote: * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few
Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls).
Attribute remaps would be interesting. There are times when I really wanted an extra bit of PG (and was willing to sacrifice CPU to do it.) But that could fall under "Premium Empire ships" or just obnoxious min-maxing if it wasn't balanced correctly (e.g. +1 PG should require -2 CPU attribute change or something.)
Name changes are already free. I would be annoyed if CCP started charging to set our ship names.
Hats, capes, beards, etc., would be interesting. I would be worried about hats and capes making it easier to get hung up on large collidable objects though.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.03.20 19:37:32 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Drake Aihaken wrote: * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few
Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls).
Attribute remaps would be interesting. There are times when I really wanted an extra bit of PG (and was willing to sacrifice CPU to do it.) But that could fall under "Premium Empire ships" or just obnoxious min-maxing if it wasn't balanced correctly (e.g. +1 PG should require -2 CPU attribute change or something.) Name changes are already free. I would be annoyed if CCP started charging to set our ship names. Hats, capes, beards, etc., would be interesting. I would be worried about hats and capes making it easier to get hung up on large collidable objects though.
Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?
Because this is just the next step....
What do you all think ccp will do? Getting MT live and not squeezing 100 % juice out of it....?
Wishful thinking in my eyes and extremely naive.... |
Othran
Route One
767
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:08:12 -
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Aves Asio wrote: Most of those old ppl left and the new kids that came think that this is normal because they have grown up with mt and p2w.
Spot on the money.
I can only think of two people I know who are still actively playing (I'm not) who participated in the Jita Riots/cancel your sub stuff back in 2011. That's out of a couple of dozen I knew then.
CCP is not what it was, but neither is the playerbase.
Times change whether we wish them to or not. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3236
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:19:06 -
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Othran wrote:Aves Asio wrote: Most of those old ppl left and the new kids that came think that this is normal because they have grown up with mt and p2w.
Spot on the money. I can only think of two people I know who are still actively playing (I'm not) who participated in the Jita Riots/cancel your sub stuff back in 2011. That's out of a couple of dozen I knew then. CCP is not what it was, but neither is the playerbase. Times change whether we wish them to or not.
People also kinda need to be honest and accept the market changed as a whole. Video games aren't what they used to be 10 years ago. |
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Othran
Route One
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Frostys Virpio wrote: People also kinda need to be honest and accept the market changed as a whole. Video games aren't what they used to be 10 years ago.
Of course they do.
People also need to be honest & accept that Eve is unlikely to survive a transition to meaningful MTs. ie game changing MTs.
Rock and a hard place for CCP really. Shame they blew all that cash on crap FPS/vampire/facebookgoggles stuff really but they've never had much of a clue about anything other than Eve.
We'll see what we see.
Like I said, times change whether we wish them to or not. |
Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2017.03.21 01:04:01 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:subscriptins have to stay WAY over every possible MT regarding benefit and possibilities.....
why?
Because this stays a sub based game and every further step towards a ftp madness ccp will have to fight and will have to take out of our dead hands....
the line is drawn here...... And here, and over here too.
That's the thing about individual consumers. Most of us don't like blatantly greedy P2W mechanics, but we won't all say goodbye over exactly the same one. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1147
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Posted - 2017.03.21 04:00:40 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation. In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items. Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game. DMC
This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
60209
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Posted - 2017.03.21 04:14:10 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:This is a subscription based game. There should be no microtransactions Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation. In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items. Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game. DMC This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna. Oh that's right, thanks for reminding me.
I forgot to include that all MT items will only be Vanity items.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
449
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:03:44 -
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How much to let me fly a capital in High Sec? I wanna be the first clone on my block to gank a Venture with a Dreadnaught. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
627
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:10:37 -
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20 plex: permit to fly caps in HS Acquired |
Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:53:10 -
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I doubt CCP would be stupid enough to release micro-transactions that provide in-game advantages. It would kill EVE because the majority of the player-base would quit in disgust. Any game that offers pay-to-win is a cancer in the gaming industry and should be boycotted without question.
That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
627
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:59:02 -
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Pixel Piracy wrote:I doubt CCP would be stupid enough to release micro-transactions that provide in-game advantages. It would kill EVE because the majority of the player-base would quit in disgust. Any game that offers pay-to-win is a cancer in the gaming industry and should be boycotted without question.
That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?
becouse plex aren't P2W they don't do nothing, spend IRL money and get ingame goods
when they wouldn't get anything in game becouse people would arrass their alliances etc that's what the game has lost!
if you want a thing in eve you must be ready to fight for it! not just plex and voil+á, illimited ships ready to undock
NotPay2Win yet right?
there are people that plex and undock only to pvp without farming anything. and don't give me the crap: but someone else earn it! yea indeed, SOMEONE ELSE. the guy that plexed wouldn't have earned anything.
don't mind me, just a simple subber. Please Ignore |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2017.03.21 07:05:29 -
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Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.21 07:09:21 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA.
jesus i've just seen a forum veteran |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.21 07:48:07 -
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Sorry, but you are a bit late OP. The whole thing already started over a year ago with SP extractors in the shops. I always predicted they will go further down that road, it was obvious from the start.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.21 07:54:44 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna. How are SP extractors not golden ammo? They either are or they can get away with everything just because they let you resell it for ISK on the market. It is already too late.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2017.03.21 09:01:13 -
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I've been accused of being many things during my EVE career, but a forum vet is a first. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2017.03.21 09:07:24 -
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The difference with Eve NOT being P2W is that someone in game has made the isk or items that most of what the store sells. Hence you are only buying someone elses goods for an exchange through CCP, be it SP or isk which can buy other items in game. And for that right you have paid CCP directly, in the case of extractors, or a premium over a regular sub for plex and CCP regularly tosses in some extra swag as bonuses from time to time.
Regular P2W shops just let you buy in game items directly for cash that could be made or produced in game as well or better items that cannot be acquired any other way.
As long as CCP doesnt go the exclusivity route Eve isnt P2W nor ever will be. Its paying a premium to trade items, through isk, between people. And it nets CCP real life cash which keeps our game afloat and developing. So Im more than happy to support it with some reservations of course. Namely the exorbitant prices of goods vs the cash outlay, aka the jeans and monocles fiasco. That they want to make a buck doesnt bother me its just blatant greed that does. Value. Its something that this world seems to be doing away with as I get older. Eve has given me the most value for the money Ive put into it than anything else in my life. So I hope they continue down that pathway instead of the cash cow Zynga/Facebook games route.
That being said the Drifter omni damage ammo is actually a cool idea. Like the geckos really. Just make it do slightly less hps due to the omni nature and give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. To pay cash for this convenience might work then. But never be clearly "better" on all fronts.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.21 09:47:33 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The difference with Eve NOT being P2W is that someone in game has made the isk or items that most of what the store sells. Hence you are only buying someone elses goods for an exchange through CCP, be it SP or isk which can buy other items in game. And for that right you have paid CCP directly, in the case of extractors, or a premium over a regular sub for plex and CCP regularly tosses in some extra swag as bonuses from time to time.
Regular P2W shops just let you buy in game items directly for cash that could be made or produced in game as well or better items that cannot be acquired any other way.
As long as CCP doesnt go the exclusivity route Eve isnt P2W nor ever will be. Its paying a premium to trade items, through isk, between people. And it nets CCP real life cash which keeps our game afloat and developing. So Im more than happy to support it with some reservations of course. Namely the exorbitant prices of goods vs the cash outlay, aka the jeans and monocles fiasco. That they want to make a buck doesnt bother me its just blatant greed that does. Value. Its something that this world seems to be doing away with as I get older. Eve has given me the most value for the money Ive put into it than anything else in my life. So I hope they continue down that pathway instead of the cash cow Zynga/Facebook games route.
That being said the Drifter omni damage ammo is actually a cool idea. Like the geckos really. Just make it do slightly less hps due to the omni nature and give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. To pay cash for this convenience might work then. But never be clearly "better" on all fronts. So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Vayen Kukkus
9
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Posted - 2017.03.21 10:01:31 -
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Monocle riots wen?!
DUST 514 FOREVER!!!!
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1386
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Posted - 2017.03.21 10:04:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.
No they arent washing anything, though you could look at it like laundering. Though laundering is generally between yourself and yourself while this is between players so its more of a willing trade. CCP couldnt sell PLEX if noone bought it from them nor bought it on market for isk. People do so because its to their advantage. I do it because my CAN$ was at parity for a few years with the USD and so I gained a distinct advantage paying in dollars, now I am at high 70s so I work a bit extra in game and PLEX. If real world conditions improved Id return to paid subs. Its just easier. It doesnt mean I cant afford to sub I just like doing it as a psuedo currency exchange value.
I cant really argue about the validity of your statement regarding extractors, but I would argue with the definition of "greedy" there. Yet that argument is purely perspective and semantics and better avoided imo. I dont mind extractors tbh. I have always horded value in SP anyway so it was to my real advantage and doubled my characters relative isk worth when it happened. My theory was that any plex was worth 2mil SP roughly and the worth of the SP was worth more than the relative price increase of plex in isk amounts. This theory proved to be a valuable investment in the long run and insulated me from plex price movements over the years as an SP hedge. Think gold or property, where gold is PLEX and SP was property or land. It had the distinct advantage of not being able to be stolen, lost or even hacked. So that was a real boon.
I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
29560
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Posted - 2017.03.21 10:09:29 -
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I think they should add more things that could expand your experience in CQ. Additional rooms, multiplayer lobbies, bars, animation packages, pets, dance halls, corporation offices, additional balcony with different view, game tables..
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2258
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Posted - 2017.03.21 10:19:11 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
I didn't get that logic either. It's like that "EVE has no PayToWin because you can't buy experience and practice" legend. (While true in some caes, you can buy a ton of advantages in others.) |
Kathern Aurilen
193
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Posted - 2017.03.21 11:24:00 -
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Pixel Piracy wrote:.That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation? I don't think I have used the captains quarters since the second day in game 3years ago. It's kinda neat but useless, and so much quicker to just use the buttons.
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.03.21 11:45:30 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. All ammo already can deal a specific damage type as needed to take advantage of the resist hole(cough cough but hybrid guns). One would just have to know what they are facing and swap ammo.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
29563
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Posted - 2017.03.21 11:49:03 -
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We have SKINs. I think, when it comes to changing spaceship looks its fairly developed technology. SKINS could be expanded more into alliance SKIN creator where you could design your own and pay heaps of PLEX to then make it available to alliance members. Logos of alliance or corporation on spaceships would be nice too. Maybe unlocking the option for that could be bought with PLEX too, for all spaceships on characters in account?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3777
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Posted - 2017.03.21 16:25:27 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
I didn't get that logic either. It's like that "EVE has no PayToWin because you can't buy experience and practice" legend. (While true in some caes, you can buy a ton of advantages in others.) Yeah, that is really a wonderful excuse in all p2w discussions that is basically their last line of defence. Even CCP Falcon used that to justify their ongoing monetization efforts. If you think about it, there is NO game where you can buy experience and practice, because that is just impossible, so the argument is basically just an admission that there is no real argument left.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3778
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Posted - 2017.03.21 16:51:21 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.
I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play. Right with what? Maybe I just work differently than you, but if a game starts to look more and more like a store front and less like a game I get a bit turned off. The result is that CCP already gets less money from me than they got for years because the product already lost value in my eyes. I rather buy a full game with that money where I get all the content and not just a fraction.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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stoicfaux
6276
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Posted - 2017.03.21 17:11:17 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote: Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?
You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status?
Personally, I'm waiting for a "discounted" Omega subscription option that doesn't allow for skill training. Oh wait, skill extractors are that discount option.
Are we further down the slippery slope than we realized? Or is CCP keeping EVE EVE by creatively avoiding the more hated aspects of MTs?
Personally, I think MTs will be targeted at the Alpha accounts. Alphas would be a prime candidate for paying MT to exceed Alpha restrictions. Maybe use MTs to allow Alphas to cross train into other race's hulls? How about Skill Tiers for Alphas; e.g. pay a MT fee to allow your Alpha to (barely) skill into and thus use T2 weapons during a sub period?
It would be a way to incrementally draw Alphas deeper into the game without overtly "forcing" them to pay the full Omega price. It would also be a way to granularize subs without granularizing sub times.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.03.21 17:30:26 -
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I find it really funny what an naive approach some people have here....
Just because it was so for 13 years CCP will NEVER sell "double dps packets" in the shop? Just it was always so CCP will NEVER sell ingame influencing advantages in the shop?
so.....they opend this microtransaction door just to sell more skins and woman skirts?
really?
so CCP "knew that 70% of the playerbase would ragequit if they do".....
Do they?
Or does the money count more in this case and the "old subscription system is outdated and will be obsolet in a short time"?
Well maybe i'm way to suspiciously.maybe i'm to old and experienced to get fooled the way some people seemed to be.....
But i doubt that they,once they opend the MT door,will only sell "blinky skirty tools"....
They will also sell "shiny ingame advantage tools"......
Some here saw that coming months ago and were laughed over....
Some were right...... |
Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.03.21 17:35:11 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?
You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status?
No i mean like a with PLEX buyable package in the shop that gives you double damage on all your weapons ingame.....
And calling THAT a "no problem" would lead to a more serious problem with your approach of the game... :-) |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2017.03.21 18:03:38 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?
You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status? No i mean like a via PLEX buyable package in the shop that gives you double damage on all your weapons ingame..... And calling THAT a "no problem" would lead to a more serious problem with your approach of the game... :-) Allow me to twist to your perspective around. You're assuming that "gold ammo" would make Omegas more powerful.
What I'm saying is that Omega status is "gold ammo." Omega is "gold" because an Omega can do anything and can max out anything.
An alpha could double their firepower by buying up to Omega status, but they can't double their DPS immediately due to training times. Potentially, really long training times.
However, by breaking up PLEX into MTs, instead of paying full price to upgrade to Omega, an Alpha could pay a smaller sub fee to get a smaller DPS boost with shorter training times. Say allow weapon training to V.
Instead of paying for 100% Omega gold status that they cannot take fully advantage of until they take the time to skill up, an Alpha can buy Omega-Lite (or Beta status) to train T1 weapons to V. Or to train into and use larger/varied ship hulls. Then they could pay MT for Gamma status and train/use T2 weapons/ships.
To put it another way, instead of buying the "gold ammo" Unlimited Buffet that is Omega, we can use MTs to allow Alphas to simply "super-size" their beer or their fish or their chips and work their way up to the Omega smorgasbord (once they have the skillpoints to make Omega worthwhile.)
Ergo, "gold ammo" already exists in the form of Omegas. Thus there's no need for CCP to add "gold ammo" because the whole point of MTs is to (eventually) get everyone to purchase Omega (aka Gold Ammo) status. "Gold ammo" is already in the game and the goal is to get everyone to buy it. Thus the "damage" has already been done without anyone realizing it.
So I ask you, has EVE been damaged by gold ammo?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Kathern Aurilen
193
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Posted - 2017.03.21 18:49:34 -
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Vayen Kukkus wrote:Monocle riots wen?! In 2011, they were selling things in the Eve store like a gun metal grey monocle then they decided to sell a gold one for 80$ worth of aur.
In protest, there was riots in jita. They were blasting monuments, no damage just attacking it so as not to trigger concord.
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Kathern Aurilen
193
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Posted - 2017.03.21 19:17:27 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:We have SKINs. I think, when it comes to changing spaceship looks its fairly developed technology. SKINS could be expanded more into alliance SKIN creator where you could design your own and pay heaps of PLEX to then make it available to alliance members. Logos of alliance or corporation on spaceships would be nice too. Maybe unlocking the option for that could be bought with PLEX too, for all spaceships on characters in account?
i thought about too when I heard they were introducing skins, but all the skins are loaded from the install files. If there were custom skins for every Person, corp, or alliance, there would be updates everyday and the install files would ballon to 50 gigs or more before very long.
New skins aren't really downloaded on the fly. It's all set in the install files.
I would love to make a awesome ship skins https://goo.gl/images/3bRMnk
Or something goofy https://goo.gl/images/kLPzFB
Or something poorly skinned, makes Eve look bad. Every stupid idea that can spring forth from the immature just for the lulz. Imaging a titian... Skinned like pean...
No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2274
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Posted - 2017.03.21 19:49:59 -
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Vayen Kukkus wrote:Monocle riots when?!
When they do Monocles again? Now you may form some "where is mu Aurum" riots. Or wait if they post a new solution.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2729
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Posted - 2017.03.21 19:54:12 -
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Vayen Kukkus wrote:Monocle riots wen?!
Never, I think.
The ship has already sailed and the crew is different now anyway.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2274
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Posted - 2017.03.21 19:56:37 -
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Copy pasting your stuff to different places does not make it more valid. While I am used to a certain amount of "the sky is falling" I would like to know if you have any actual clues that led to your grim prophecies or just assuming the worst possible case.
Teros Hakomairos wrote:I find it really funny what an naive approach some people have here....
so.....they opend this microtransaction door just to sell more skins and woman skirts?
really?
so CCP "knew that 70% of the playerbase would ragequit if they do".....
Do they?
Or does the money count more in this case and the "old subscription system is outdated and will be obsolet in a short time"?
Well maybe i'm way to suspiciously.maybe i'm to old and experienced to get fooled the way some people seemed to be.....
But i doubt that they,once they opend the MT door,will only sell "blinky skirty tools"....
They will also sell "shiny ingame advantage tools"......
Some here saw that coming months ago and were laughed over....
Some were right......
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Trevorr Stjohnsmythe
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.03.21 20:31:43 -
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Huge stickers for ships, you know the bads ones people have on their cars now
More clothes. Lots more. Why the hell don't we have a crapton already?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1388
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Posted - 2017.03.22 00:00:37 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?
You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status? Personally, I'm waiting for a "discounted" Omega subscription option that doesn't allow for skill training. Oh wait, skill extractors are that discount option. Are we further down the slippery slope than we realized? Or is CCP keeping EVE EVE by creatively avoiding the more hated aspects of MTs? Personally, I think MTs will be targeted at the Alpha accounts. Alphas would be a prime candidate for paying MT to exceed Alpha restrictions. Maybe use MTs to allow Alphas to cross train into other race's hulls? How about Skill Tiers for Alphas; e.g. pay a MT fee to allow your Alpha to (barely) skill into and thus use T2 weapons during a sub period? It would be a way to incrementally draw Alphas deeper into the game without overtly "forcing" them to pay the full Omega price. It would also be a way to granularize subs without granularizing sub times. I love this analogy and explaination along with your follow up post.
Alphas can buy into omega status incrementally or just buy omega status period. Then there is ZERO power creep nor gold ammo at all. What we have and pay for fully as Omegas IS the best status. This would be a sufficient and valuable tool to do both sub accounts and F2P accounts making ONLY the F2P accounts, Alphas, have to pay extra to get where Omega already is, and more importantly ALWAYS will be.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1388
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Posted - 2017.03.22 00:07:49 -
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Kathern Aurilen wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. All ammo already can deal a specific damage type as needed to take advantage of the resist hole(cough cough but hybrid guns). One would just have to know what they are facing and swap ammo. Wrong. Both hybrids and lasers have two set damage types only. Only missiles and Projectiles have variable dps and only missiles have variable dps into the T2 tree, projectiles is limited only to two damage types in T2.
That being said. If you had say lasers, Conflag is 50/50 EM/Therm, have ,say for arguments sake, 20 dps, so 10 Em and 10 therm but the new Drifter ammo would be omni dps but instead of 5/5/5/5 EM/TH/KIN/EXP it might be 4/4/4/4 instead. Which means that though you gain the omni damage types it would always be UNDER the full raw dps/HP amount of specialized ammo it wouldnt give a distinct advantage to omni dps types over the regular ammos. Couple that with the KNOWLEDGE you would need to know and find a resist hole and exploit it with the appropriate ammo would give you said advantage then it would NOT be Gold ammo in the slightest and a viable NEW ammo type.
And then to make that purchasable, "idiot ammo" if you will, in the NES store WOULD be acceptable to me.
Dont think, buy Drifter and shoot.
Think a bit more and use the right tool for the job!
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1388
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Posted - 2017.03.22 00:17:55 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..
Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.
I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play. Right with what? Maybe I just work differently than you, but if a game starts to look more and more like a store front and less like a game I get a bit turned off. The result is that CCP already gets less money from me than they got for years because the product already lost value in my eyes. I rather buy a full game with that money where I get all the content and not just a fraction. Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? Are you playing less accounts these days in Omega status? Because that would be the ONLY way to give them less money. If you switched from subs to PLEX you are giving them more money if it is the same number of accounts. I dont see how you are not buying the full game with any sub type, be it cash, credit or PLEX but thats just me. I must work differently to you, I think you are right.
That being said you can value something differently than me, in fact that ISNT being different than me as I have the same ability to value anything at any level just like you. And though it saddens me to see you not valuing the game as much the law of diminishing returns kinda says that over time it should lose value so alright.
Btw on a side note, if you are extracting your accounts because you dont need more SP anymore on them, but still plexing them in any way you are actually making CCP MORE isk than you did with just a sub. Subs run 11-15 USD dependent of the package. PLEX runs 20 USD. Extractors cost about 15-22 USD depending on if you take the cheapest bundle or individuals and if you do only 3 or 4 extractors. Which means for every SP farmed account you are paying CCP twice. Someone has had to buy the PLEX AND the extractors. So you are paying CCP 35-42USD per active farmed account. I think this is GOOD for CCP and allows us to play and have fun in a very unique game. So I certainly would give CCP more money for this option TYVM.
I love CCP as they are extremely smart.... sometimes.... But like all humans they are fallible and make mistakes. I am entirely okay with this.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2017.03.22 02:14:47 -
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If you set up the right PvP environment and get the right whales, you can get people to spend ludicrous amounts of money trying to fight each other.
That's exactly the kind of cliff we need to be afraid of CCP driving over. The kind of game in that article right there is the reason free-to-play makes some of the vets in this game break out in a cold sweat and go crazy whenever someone said "Please make EVE F2P" in the F+I forum. They are right be afraid of a freemium-oriented redesign of EVE, because they'd have to choose to pony up stupid amounts of money, be second-class players, or just leave. If CCP really wanted to, they could make a lot of golden ships, skills, and mods, and let us push the sunk-cost fallacy really hard for ourselves-for a while. Some of us aren't, but doing exactly that is going to make the universe very empty.
Our only defense as players against CCP (or any game publisher) doing exactly that is to fill Reddit and the forums with stuff like: "That's not the game I signed up to play! I see what's going on there, it won't work!" even though we know it already did. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2275
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Posted - 2017.03.22 08:28:40 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And then to make that purchasable, "idiot ammo" if you will, in the NES store WOULD be acceptable to me. Dont think, buy Drifter and shoot. Think a bit more and use the right tool for the job!
Yeah, I saw that one: Either buy one kind of "spell material" per level of spells you use (max 9) OR buy "omni spell material" from the store and never have that "****, can't cast level 5 spells anymore because I ran out of material" moment. I didn't mind that one much, it was just about not beeing lazy and check your equipment on regular basis. But I hated the "without MT your backpack is soooo tiny" one. That was a kick in the groin. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3792
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Posted - 2017.03.22 12:02:07 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? By literally not giving them money out of my pocket/cc.
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And this is how PLEX works... Yes yes, I know how PLEX works. I don't care how much "more" they earn because I don't pay them money any more... I hope you don't work in accounting or something... The point was that I chose to not spend more money out of my pocket on the game because it lost value in my eyes. The fact that the same feature which devalued the game for me allowed me to keep the accounts subscribed for free is just a coincidence and a rather ironic one.
I can understand the shift away from subscriptions and to a micro-transaction model if those are the dominant factors to reach new players today. But EVE has not shifted away from subscriptions and got micro-transactions for non-vanity items in the shop anyway and that is where I have a problem with the direction of the game.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.03.22 12:42:25 -
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All those "arguments" here are just a defense line to justify CCP's decision to open the game for MT...... A decision that was wrong way before the first day alphas go live....the injectors were the first kick in the ass of tradition,even unlimited skill que is part of it..... I mean why.....24 hours were good enough.....
The "We always have Mt" argument is the best joke of it all....
No we hadn't for 10 years and no change of the game was needed not in the clone status,neither in the skill que nor were injectors "needed"......
All those "flawed updates" were just the preparation for the transformation of a once special game into a norm pay2win ftp crap......
The next steps that will follow can be used as eye opener for those who say "you're exaggerating pal,they will NEVER do this because of tradition and ragequits blablabla" And i BET we will find that some people even will dig out some "arguments" why "this is a good thing".....
As i said some people said this would happen long before and left the game at first sign of ftp......i was hoping ......i was naive.....
Those people were right and i found it btw very disturbing to see that some others are willing to go the whole way with ccp in that "destruction of eve" and never seem to have a slight problem with EVERY decision they make.....
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1892
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Posted - 2017.03.22 12:47:04 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:With the proposed PLEX changes, it looks like we'll soon be getting more microtransactions. Instead of debating whether not this is a good idea (fairly certain these are here to stay), let's discuss what additions and ideas might be expanded with microtransactions.
* More ship SKINs (obviously), but also new Alliance SKINs * Attribute remaps (take effect immediately) * Name changes (not sure if this is practicle or not) * Vanity items: Hats, capes and beards (including neck variant) just to name a few
Some ideas that are bound to be more controversial:
* Skill training accelerators (24-hours). * Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours. * Premium Empire ships (the specs for these would fall somewhere between AT and Pirate Faction hulls). * Drifter characters and ships.
1. Obviously. 2. Attributes need to be removed completely. They serve little to no purpose other than to confuse players. 3. No. 4. Yes.
5. Already exists in a way, could be interesting to expand upon. 6. Hell f*cking no. 7. Hell f*cking no. 8. Hell f*cking no.
No modules, ships or character types should ever be restricted to micro transactions. Ever.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1390
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Posted - 2017.03.22 13:05:51 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Let me ask you how you are giving CCP less money? By literally not giving them money out of my pocket/cc. Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: And this is how PLEX works... Yes yes, I know how PLEX works. I don't care how much "more" they earn because I don't pay them money any more... I hope you don't work in accounting or something... The point was that I chose to not spend more money out of my pocket on the game because it lost value in my eyes. The fact that the same feature which devalued the game for me allowed me to keep the accounts subscribed for free is just a coincidence and a rather ironic one. I can understand the shift away from subscriptions and to a micro-transaction model if those are the dominant factors to reach new players today. But EVE has not shifted away from subscriptions and got micro-transactions for non-vanity items in the shop anyway and that is where I have a problem with the direction of the game. Well if I dont work in accounting then you dont work in logic, but then again you are a CODE.r so....
The only way you can give CCP less money isnt just out of your own pocket you know. By PLEXing you are working for someone in game for what they have paid for out of game. Time==money. The difference in peoples minds is that its just a game.
I played rugby and got paid $900 for my last season of rugby. Its not much but its not nothing. Yet I was just playing a game correct? I fought MMA I got paid $500 for 2:53 of "work." But remember I was simply playing a game wasnt I?
PLEX is like getting that money for your in game time, regardless of who you are and you ARE then giving it to CCP by subbing your account. So regardless of where the cash itself is coming from CCP IS getting paid and any other argument is frankly invalid. So unless you are subbing fewer accounts you arent paying CCP less and like in my original post you are in fact paying them more.
I guess in this case the CODE loses?
@Gregorius Goldstein Yes that is why I suggested it as a decent alternative simply because it wouldnt be a silly gold ammo aspect and works with the omni tank and dps of drifters anyway. Making it do more dps I would have an issue with. +1 for you.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3793
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Posted - 2017.03.22 13:27:03 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:The only way you can give CCP less money isnt just out of your own pocket you know. By PLEXing you are working for someone in game for what they have paid for out of game. Time==money. The difference in peoples minds is that its just a game. The facts are: - I pay them 30$ less each month because the game lost value in my opinion. Some other scrub pays for my PLEX and the extractors, I really don't care - I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP
It is adorable how hard you try to make it look like this is a win for CCP. If you did not notice everyone and his mother know how PLEX works, but that was never the point.
Just because I use PLEX instead of a subscription does not magically increase the PLEX supply on the market. It will probably if the price rises because there is more incentive to sell PLEX for those who want ISK for $. But on the other hand it could also discourage someone who grinds for the PLEX because it got too expensive from playing the game. I don't have that problem because I don't have to grind and SP is pretty much coupled to the PLEX price.
But thank god you don't work in accounting.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Brian Paone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.22 13:52:24 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:* Crime immunity (triggers a 30-second invulnerability/warp core bonus when the victim of a criminal attack; not applicable in null-sec or wormhole space). Can only be used once every 72 hours.
Since I'm on a character limit, I don't really have all the space necessary to break down why this can't ever happen, so I'll just try to stick to a few main points:
* Given that the premise of the game is centered largely around blowing each other up, anything that makes it impossible to do (or even significantly raises the bar) is inherently problematic as it goes directly against the theme of the game.
* A cooldown of any kind in this case can be easily mitigated simply by logging into another account.
* I'm really not sure how this mechanic would work in a fleet setting. Would the fleet have to be invulnerable? Can a fleet be unstoppable if certain components go invulnerable for even a limited time? It'd take quite a bit of QA and bugtesting to find out, which can draw resources from development of new content.
There's a lot more that weighs on my mind, but those three points, honestly, are enough to give me insurmountable reservations personally.
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2017.03.25 11:00:31 -
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Instead of discussing WHAT MT shall be come we should discuss how we get rid of them completely(yes also those we alrady have like injectors)....
It's time for a new monocle rebellion........ |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.25 14:23:01 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:- I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP.
Explain please.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:07:41 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:- I don't invest time grinding ISK since I extract SP. Explain please. Why?
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Josef Djugashvilis
3540
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Posted - 2017.03.25 22:28:49 -
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Barbie items are fine.
That's it.
This is not a signature.
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1011
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Posted - 2017.03.25 23:55:31 -
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so if i have 1000 aurum how many plex will i get from that when it gets converted?
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ApexDynamo
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
14
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:27:36 -
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5th race be nice 4 gets boring super quick
-New ship skins like the ones you see that serenity gets
-new class of ships that can be bought with plex only, kinda like premium ships that you would see on world of tanks or world of warships with bonuses to ratting ticks or armor/shield resists etc
-player built stargates, 3-4 years still waiting,
-Proximity bombs that can be put on gates or outside of station kinda like the old anaconda mines
-new clothse be nice. I want all my miner alts to have farmer outfits :)
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
171
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:55:50 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:so if i have 1000 aurum how many plex will i get from that when it gets converted? 0. you get nothing |
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