for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.

Your KB show 30 - 12 and every kill you've had was part of a 10+ gang almost all of those kills were 2017 so I would say prior to then you did little if any PVP

LOL... was World of Warcraft your first MMO?

Ina sandbox game when you attack a weaker player who has no chance to really beat you it is called PKilling, because it is not PvP.

Never claimed to be a pvper.
The thread wasn't about pvp. But the supposed danger of HS carebears who are (according to the number of salt posts)
Under a constant unending torrent of assault and ganking to the point that the game is unplayable

When I read the forum, everything is broken, needs changing and is exploited by a community of sociopaths who only care for themselves.

When I play th game, everything works, is fun and is made even better by playing with a community of people I wouldn't know from Arthur or Martha in real life, but who I always find are just regular ordinary people enjoying their hobby.

I much prefer the experience in game.

Been there, but chin up , it can get better, just gotta meet the right one

My ex hated EVE, that's not why she's the ex but I do laugh when i think EVE is still here while she is gone. My current wife has her own hobby she like s(she builds and sells custom dollhouses) and loves how EVE keeps me out of her hair for a couple hours every night even though she is in the same room I am. But she chuckles in my general direction when i get all excited over mumble about something. The running joke in my house is "did you get bombed again, or were you able to warp out this time?" lol.

Never claimed to be a pvper.
The thread wasn't about pvp. But the supposed danger of HS carebears who are (according to the number of salt posts)
Under a constant unending torrent of assault and ganking to the point that the game is unplayable

I had a thought. CCP Earn 50m to 100m per year I'm sure they have assets so why have they not hired actual people to be NPC agents? Somebody could role-play a war hardened vet as if it was an acting career and enthusiastically set up stuff for noobs to do and be onhand to answer questions.

I know how some people think and they would like this people would find it cool to be associated with human NPC agents. I know CCP have done it a couple of times where CCP staff were controlling ships and interacting with the community.

CCP, sign me up as an employee on a 3 year contract for -ú25,000 per year and I will quit my regular job and play Eve for 50 hours a week. I will create content for new pilots and ensure that people have exciting times and ensure their continued subscription to Eve.

it was a better time, a golden time for RP in Eve

i find it most amuseing in movies freighters can tank and have actual defence systems you play eve and its like you get 3 low slots no defence get rekt

which movies are you talking about?

also 3 lows is plenty enough for defense if you actually bother to pack for tank rather than cargo space.

so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game"

about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked.

tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up.

how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7

so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game???

I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month.

I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day.

I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul.

and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine.

so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it?

for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.

I'm making a new style of gameplay in Eve. I fly and make money. I don't haul. I don't always explore. I don't strictly need to be good at PvP, though I enjoy the rush. I repeat: I fly and make money.

The best place to go for rich economic play is null sec. I want to show people. I want them to succeed and freely zip all over the map and do what they do, but do it in null. I can take you on a tour. I can help you make your first null ISK.

I've begun offering to take pilots on a tour of nullsec in whatever ship they have (I can probably get them through) because I've realized a surprising number of those focused on economics never leave highsec.

The best economics are in nullsec. If you want to make things work when they do not work, the real wild wild west, then the rewards are there for the taking. If you really think you're interested in economic meta game or whatever, I guarantee you that nullsec is the place. I've been teaching someone on the public channel. Unsurprisingly they are killing it.

I see huge amounts of crazy assumptions about what is needed to trade in nullsec successfully.

• You don't need an alliance!
• You don't need a jump freighter!
• The only thing you need to ever haul is ass!
• No POS's or sov
• No pirates
• No permission
• No 0.1-upping at the station

99% of null is just peaceful space and I spend a good amount of time watching alliance operations or hacking cans out of curiosity and to play cat & mouse games.

If you want to make more money than you make in highsec and have a lot more fun doing it while having so much free time not spent at the helm of a slow-ass freighter getting bumped every three months by CODE, please, accept my invitation to come fly around in nullsec and taste the freedom and profits yourself!

Find me in game or the corp that I've formed to encapsulate this push, the Liberal Universalists.

FYI I'm also into faction warfare and would be happy to gang with you while we dumpster pirates in lowsec, but this invite is all about just convincing people to get comfortable flying through gate camps and managing null rather than avoiding it.

^ this was me in 2010

What was your experience?

so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game"

1. about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked.

2. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up.

3. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7

4. so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game???

5. I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month.

6. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day.

7. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul.

8. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine.

9. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it?

for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.

That most people are bears (even the PVPers) who want a nice predictable outcome that they can figure out in advance on a calculator and anything they can't min-max they are averse to.