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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:20:17 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Eve is the only game where thread number 100,000 on "I was ganked, wat do" doesn't lead people to think "hmm, maybe there is some recurring problem or something", instead you guys just blame the player.. Because the player is the problem. He has all the tools necessary to survive the gank attempt, but simply doesn't use them. This means either the player simply can't be bothered to defend himself or doesn't know about the tools at his disposal. CCP can't do anything about the former, but they might be able to help with the latter. The solution isn't to remove challenge from the game, just to encourage players to adapt and learn.
Ok, good luck on that crusade.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
540
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:48:37 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Eve is the only game where thread number 100,000 on "I was ganked, wat do" doesn't lead people to think "hmm, maybe there is some recurring problem or something", instead you guys just blame the player.. Because the player is the problem. He has all the tools necessary to survive the gank attempt, but simply doesn't use them. This means either the player simply can't be bothered to defend himself or doesn't know about the tools at his disposal. CCP can't do anything about the former, but they might be able to help with the latter. The solution isn't to remove challenge from the game, just to encourage players to adapt and learn. Ok, good luck on that crusade. I didn't say it was easy, just that it was the solution. Wrecking the game because a subset of players simply can't be bothered to play isn't exactly an acceptable alternative.
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:12:45 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Eve is the only game where thread number 100,000 on "I was ganked, wat do" doesn't lead people to think "hmm, maybe there is some recurring problem or something", instead you guys just blame the player.. Because the player is the problem. He has all the tools necessary to survive the gank attempt, but simply doesn't use them. This means either the player simply can't be bothered to defend himself or doesn't know about the tools at his disposal. CCP can't do anything about the former, but they might be able to help with the latter. The solution isn't to remove challenge from the game, just to encourage players to adapt and learn.
stop being a victim blaming POS. Suicide ganking works because its so unexpected. Not only that but the aggressor pays negligible cost, the only thing they are risking for a potentially tremendous reward or just to cause grief. Because of that it has become all too commonplace. High sec has become a haven for risk-averse grief monkeys.
You have to be an idiot to not see the issue here.
Already CCP have taken away the ability to loot plex but that still probably too little to deter them.
Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
540
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:24:38 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:stop being a victim blaming POS. Suicide ganking works because its so unexpected. Space ships shooting space ships in a space ships shooting game should not be unexpected.
Quote:Not only that but the aggressor pays negligible cost, the only thing they are risking for a potentially tremendous reward or just to cause grief. Those two statements are mutually exclusive. Which is it?
Also, the topic of "tremendous reward" has been discussed to death. The conclusion: It's not a balance issue, it's a learn-to-play issue.
Quote:Because of that it has become all too commonplace. High sec has become a haven for risk-averse grief monkeys. You mean carebears.
Quote:Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it. HiSec is by far the most dangerous area of space for a pirate to live. They live in HiSec because it's a target rich environment. You'll get them to leave when the profitable targets leave.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
519
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:42:27 -
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Isn't it clear by this thread that highsec in general could do with a rework, with a clear direction of what it wants to offer players. Null offers Megacorp scale and territory war. Low offers more of a grudge match environment where it's harder to kick people out but there's also less reason to take more space. WH offers endless variety in what connections you might have. What does HS offer for a player looking for none of the above.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
540
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:44:21 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Isn't it clear by this thread that highsec in general could do with a rework, with a clear direction of what it wants to offer players. Null offers Megacorp scale and territory war. Low offers more of a grudge match environment where it's harder to kick people out but there's also less reason to take more space. WH offers endless variety in what connections you might have. What does HS offer for a player looking for none of the above. Newbie-friendly area and safe(ish) area of space to make money and/or recuperate from heavy losses in more dangerous space. It serves that purpose pretty darn well, possibly slightly too well.
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Zander Moreau
Poor Fellow-Soldiers of James 315 and of Hek.
73
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:48:17 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it.
What do you mean by "IF"? You try flying around with a -5 security rating and see how safe YOU feel. Even worse when you have a -10 where you basically laugh at kill rights when anyone with a civvie Gatling gun can take a shot at you and not worry about being CONCORDed.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
520
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:48:36 -
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Definitely too much money in highsec I've thought that for a long time.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1355
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Posted - 2017.04.01 19:55:44 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Isn't it clear by this thread that highsec in general could do with a rework, with a clear direction of what it wants to offer players. Null offers Megacorp scale and territory war. Low offers more of a grudge match environment where it's harder to kick people out but there's also less reason to take more space. WH offers endless variety in what connections you might have. What does HS offer for a player looking for none of the above.
I used to think highsec needs a change and maybe it takes some sort of nerf to the incentives of living there. But the trouble is that highsec is by far and away the heaviest in subscribers so maybe it's best to not make such a change and highsec is best for casual play - not all of us have the time that both wormholes and null require. The space that maybe needs the most thought and attention imo is lowsec.
This thread lol
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1133
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:10:12 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:highsec is best for casual play EVE is not for casuals it never was, it never will
All spaces but highsec had some major changes since I started this toon, I guess it's time for a rework *cough" *cough* crimewatch *cough* *cough*
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Chris Ishar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:34:55 -
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Dear forum dwellers,
The following is the guiding principle on which my gameplay in EVE Online is based. I say this because if I can't find it within myself to stand up and tell the truth about what I have experienced, I don't deserve to play this game!
"High Sec - The Waiting Game" The only ship of every EVE Online player is the friendship. It doesn't matter wether you are mining, hauling, marketing, missioning of any type, doing Planetary Interaction, chatting in one of the many nice chatrooms, randomly helping out starting players or players that have a difficulty in a mission. Even creating and running corps, stations. Once you have trained up some skills understood the fitting of ships and made some sort of choice what career you are going you are ready to embark further in the game. This is where your journey really starts to change. You have been mostly in High Sec, a part of the game dominated by PVE... then you can plow further into the sandbox.
"Low Sec - The Dank Zone" At the outer limits of High Sec you will stumble into a dank area filled with evil pirates, griefers they call them, who cultivate evil for the sake of evil and nothing else. They express themselves in darkness for darkness, without leavening motive. This ardent purity has allowed them to access a secret place of great power, where the cultivation of evil proceeds in exponential fashion. And with it, the furtherance of evil's resulting power. These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion. The griefers have many names for it, but chief among them is "Low Sec"... But you don't believe me, do you? You think I'm mad... Overworked... Burnt out... but one day you'll either stumble in there or if you did many crimes concord drives you in there. And once you get there you become, as I call it, 'The Dweller on the Threshold' ...it is said, if you confront the Low Sec with imperfect courage, it will utterly annihilate your soul. And you will be seen emerging from it with rage, hatred and envy towards those lucky highsec capsuleers. And they will be doing unspeakable things like spamming scamms, gatecamping, suicide ganking or even things I am afraid to mention but which set Jita on fire. No goody twoshoes dare enter this frightful maw, for doomed capsuleers there care not for good deeds or friendly implications. They are likely to rip the hull from your ship then greet you with a happy "good fight" while destroying your capsule. And of the highest, these griefers in this horrible space of unmuffled screams, salty tears and broken dreams offer up a power so vast that it draws in the hardcore PVPers. But I'm happy to point out that our story does not end in this sutured place of sadness and failure. For there is another place, its opposite. A place of almost unimaginable richness, chock full of organised forces and vicious secrets. Now this place is called Sovereign Nullsec... and you are supposed to find it.
"Sovereign Nullsec and Wormhole Space, The space of the free and the home of the brave" Once upon a time, there was a place of great goodness called the Great Wildlands. Gentle explorers gathered there amongst laughing, happy spirits. The sounds of innocence and joy filled the air. When we mined, we mined sweet nectar that infused one's heart to live life with true beauty. Generally speaking, a beutifull place of virtue in a truly desolate space, engorged with the whispering prayers of kneeling capsuleers, mewling explorers, and fools, both young and old compelled to do good without reason.
Those are just my understandings of the game and I did not mention wormhole space nor NPC Nullsec. Mostly because I have not enough experience to draw my conclusions. And yes, people should take care to understand why things happen and in the case of wardecs, at least a page with information should be sent. As no one in their right mind wardecs without a reason. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1355
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:35:43 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:highsec is best for casual play EVE is not for casuals it never was, it never will All spaces but highsec had some major changes since I started this toon, I guess it's time for a rework *cough" *cough* crimewatch *cough* *cough*
Casual Eve is in highsec lol
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
2983
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:10:13 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:highsec is best for casual play EVE is not for casuals it never was, it never will All spaces but highsec had some major changes since I started this toon, I guess it's time for a rework *cough" *cough* crimewatch *cough* *cough* Casual Eve is in highsec lol
And casual Eve is not well served...
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1356
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:20:07 -
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Is casual one of those trigger words?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20894
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:21:26 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Is casual one of those trigger words? Yup
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
752
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:45:18 -
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pls don't mind me just CASUALLY waiting the #500 post to make it mine |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
520
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:48:37 -
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Soel Reit wrote:pls don't mind me just CASUALLY waiting the #500 post to make it mine
The forum pvp begins...
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
645
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:58:44 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Eve is the only game where thread number 100,000 on "I was ganked, wat do" doesn't lead people to think "hmm, maybe there is some recurring problem or something", instead you guys just blame the player.. Because the player is the problem. He has all the tools necessary to survive the gank attempt, but simply doesn't use them. This means either the player simply can't be bothered to defend himself or doesn't know about the tools at his disposal. CCP can't do anything about the former, but they might be able to help with the latter. The solution isn't to remove challenge from the game, just to encourage players to adapt and learn. stop being a victim blaming POS. Suicide ganking works because its so unexpected. Not only that but the aggressor pays negligible cost, the only thing they are risking for a potentially tremendous reward or just to cause grief. Because of that it has become all too commonplace. High sec has become a haven for risk-averse grief monkeys. You have to be an idiot to not see the issue here. Already CCP have taken away the ability to loot plex but that still probably too little to deter them. Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it.
You have never been -5 to -10 have you? Because you talk bullpoo.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1621
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Posted - 2017.04.01 22:11:49 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Isn't it clear by this thread that highsec in general could do with a rework, with a clear direction of what it wants to offer players. Null offers Megacorp scale and territory war. Low offers more of a grudge match environment where it's harder to kick people out but there's also less reason to take more space. WH offers endless variety in what connections you might have. What does HS offer for a player looking for none of the above. EVE has somewhere between 200,000 - 400,000 subscribers.
A very small percent (much less than 1 percent) of the active player base whining on any issue does not mean whole areas of space need to be reworked, when the rest of the player base has no issue with it.
No need to tick everyone off just to respond to a minority of extreme views from players that may never stop whining anyway.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1621
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Posted - 2017.04.01 22:16:46 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:stop being a victim blaming POS. Suicide ganking works because its so unexpected. Not only that but the aggressor pays negligible cost, the only thing they are risking for a potentially tremendous reward or just to cause grief. Because of that it has become all too commonplace. High sec has become a haven for risk-averse grief monkeys.
You have to be an idiot to not see the issue here.
Already CCP have taken away the ability to loot plex but that still probably too little to deter them.
Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it. You have never been -5 to -10 have you? Because you talk bullpoo. Just ignore that idiot.
It's just a mock Jen character created by Herzog, Dracvlad or one of the other vocal AG forum regulars (there aren't many, so most likely is Herzog).
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goudaMob
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
19
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:08:44 -
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Whole lot of bullying going on in this thread now. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
752
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:09:30 -
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Soel Reit wrote:pls don't mind me just CASUALLY waiting the #500 post to make it mine
we did it now that i won eve, fc what do? |
goudaMob
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
19
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:09:30 -
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Soel Reit wrote:pls don't mind me just CASUALLY waiting the #500 post to make it mine
I tried to beat you to it. Well played. Edited.
#501 |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
752
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:10:17 -
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goudaMob wrote:Soel Reit wrote:pls don't mind me just CASUALLY waiting the #500 post to make it mine get rekt casual scrub. #500
legit you are a noob. GET GUD |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2659
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:10:36 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The sec buff alone saves you around 2 weeks of grinding NPCs in null per gank session. Just a small point, Infinity Ziona. The majority of New Order gankers sport a sec status of well below 0. This status is maintained, and not repaired. The reason is that we have gank alts/mains, specifically used for the purpose. Our other alts/mains (with higher sec status) do the work which requires them to maintain those higher levels. The only gankers you're likely to find using tags to improve their status are those with perhaps a single account, or other constraints. I don't know of any, but you may have encountered one or two in your fact-gathering tours of Atlantis... Lowsec inhabitants also benefited from that new feature, as did anyone in New Eden needing a quick solution to an urgent problem. Yeah recycling alts is another problem, so is the ability to gank so easily with low level characters, as are some of the other changes which reduced sec loss. No one said the ease of ganking was only because of tags. The only people claiming ganking is easy are people who've never done it. Except I have done it. Its easy.
I've done every form of PvP including ganking. its easier than all of them. Only thing that comes close to ease of ganking is hotdropping a ratter with a fleet of blops but that still requires hunting, being counter dropped and tackling. Ganking is as easy as gate camping but without the requirement of tackling, being scouted out or using expensive ships and without the risk of being jumped yourself.
Its easy mode carebearism dressed up by most as PvP however its actually PvE since its designed to remove counterplay meaning you're really interacting with a ingame object that has no player skill input. Somewhat similar to the 2003 spawn camping in which you appeared uncloaked before loading and where killed without being able to react.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
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goudaMob
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
19
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:13:18 -
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
563
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:41:46 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:stop being a victim blaming POS. Suicide ganking works because its so unexpected. Not only that but the aggressor pays negligible cost, the only thing they are risking for a potentially tremendous reward or just to cause grief. Because of that it has become all too commonplace. High sec has become a haven for risk-averse grief monkeys.
You have to be an idiot to not see the issue here.
Already CCP have taken away the ability to loot plex but that still probably too little to deter them.
Imagine if suicide gankers didn't feel so safe in high sec and didn't have so much incentive not to leave it. You have never been -5 to -10 have you? Because you talk bullpoo. Just ignore that idiot. It's just a mock Jen character created by Herzog, Dracvlad or one of the other vocal AG forum regulars (there aren't many, so most likely is Herzog).
LOL, this is funny.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
563
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:02:46 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:So you're giving up at this too. Huge surprise.
Just concede that AG is fail and try to distance yourself from them, good strategy bro. Actually the reason why we "gave up" and did not adapt is that once it was demonstrated that CCP coddles you guys, the feeling was "why bother?". Besides, that CCP had to change your diapers was victory enough. Your success became meaningless at that point, so there was no further point in playing with you and trying to stop you. Until Brad Neece started bumping your targets and you had to resort to bombers.... Well said Herzog, that was totally what I felt. It became meaningless as a war because CCP have made it too easy for them and were protecting them, that is why I thought nope, no reason to continue. Also I love their comments about AG failing, because why do gankers use bombers, that was due to the wonderful Brad Neece who you mention who is still there doing his stuff, but his freighter bumping omen knocking the freighter out of Catalyst optimal cost those gankers a lot, so Mr Pig they fail do they? In a game where people were actually fair about their oppoenents the gankers would acknowledge that, and this is again showing the weakness of the gankers and their having to over do the meta on the forums.
Some people will never understand that everything is rigged, in this case it is CCP's right to rig their game however they like. Just like a lottery scratchcard. I don't care what anyone says or how much what I say annoys you but there are ways to avoid being ganked and it is our way of thinking that can get us into a gank situation. By nature people rush and want to move all their investments in one go. People are obsessed with having the best of everything there are lots of shiny ships waiting to be ganked.
Eve is a game that can punish you severely if you make the wrong choice. I'm afraid its the players that make it easy for the gankers.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28089
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Posted - 2017.04.02 01:14:26 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Just ignore that idiot.
It's just a mock Jen character created by Herzog, Dracvlad or one of the other vocal AG forum regulars (there aren't many, so most likely is Herzog). It's Fabulous Rod AFAIK; it's not his first rodeo with similarly named alts for sending poison emails and parodying people.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20894
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Posted - 2017.04.02 01:49:36 -
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it is. if he starts mailing any of ye report him, if memory serves , he does a good impression of a vile sack of shite and was rightly ... forum rule #11
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