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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15488
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:13:31 -
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Verlyn wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. Bullshit. They first victimised by themseves wanting that 100% comfy carebear space so bad in a space that cannot, and WILL NOT, provide it to them. Sorry. Door's that way.
+1
How can someone be 'victimized' by a consensual experience THEY consented to.
I mean, unless someone forced them to D/L EVE Online at gun point and told them "you will be a defenseless carebear in a game that lets you shoot anyone you want, or I'll shoot you", they aren't a victim of anything.
It just goes to show you that in rich Western countries (where most EVE players come from), victims are born, not made. |
Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:15:49 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:So....have people finished having the exact same argument thats been going back and forth for over a decade yet?
At its heart this argument is and always has been about two opposing viewpoints, some people think they shouldn't have to have what they perceive as limits placed on their game play by other players and some people think they should be able to play the game in the way they feel it has been put forward by the developers without having to care about what anyone else thinks.
Personally I come down more on the pro ganking side, simply because I agree with the argument that what the developers have always said they intended the game to be is more important than a few players slightly bruised feelings, however I can understand the reasoning behind the other sides arguments even if i dont agree with it.
Of course the situation isnt helped when theres a substantial part of both sides that arent interested in actually having a discussion and just prefer to troll threads by spouting hyperbole, arguing in bad faith and refusing to even try and understand the opposing viewpoints. I'm also going to reserve a special hell for those idiots who play the 'If you act badly in a game then you're a bad person in real life' card, because not only is it a bullshit argument in the first place but its chronically missing the point.
I know this post isn't going to change anything and likely as not I'll be reading a whole new iteration of the same damn thing in a few weeks anyway but i felt it had to be said.
While a kiddies point of view is all well and understood, it still don't make one fart of difference inside Eve. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
750
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:16:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:
At its heart this argument is and always has been about two opposing viewpoints, some people think they shouldn't have to have what they perceive as limits placed on their game play by other players and some people think they should be able to play the game in the way they feel it has been put forward by the developers without having to care about what anyone else thinks.
That sums it up well. The problem is that one side in demonstrably right and the other on lives in a world of fantasy and unreasonable personal preferences. One side adapted to how EVE is on day one and has been mostly happy since then, and the other side has complained about how EVE is since day one and been very unhappy (rather than just stopping themselves from playing a game they fundamentally don't like.. Why should people who are right (and sane) "try to understand" people are provably wrong (and could probably use some mental health care services to help them stop torturing themselves with video games they hate)?
Because it then makes it easier to convince them of that, assuming of course they are arguing in good faith in the first place which is where the troll issue comes in again. Perhaps I'm giving people too much credit here but I also think its simple good manners to show that you can understand someones viewpoint even if you disagree with it and are going to try and convince them to take up yours instead.
Im not blaming you specifically for this or saying you shouldnt argue your case but polarising the discussion by not caring about the other side simply results in the same back and forth bullshit where people pay zero attention to what the other person is saying unless they can use it to score some petty 'gotcha' point. It achieves nothing and to be honest we've seen it for far too damn long now.
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Chris Ishar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:22:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:No they decide to victimise themselves.
It's spelled victimize. Like in "No, raped women decide to victimize themselves".
The posts are way out of line and don't bring anything useful to the discussion. How many people decided to leave EVE Online because the toxic posts? No idea. But a lot read about 20 posts an understand the futility of posting and leave the forums to the twenty to thirty people of around 30k active online 'players'. None of this comes close to representing the problems arising for new players.
The game is divided in different area types (PVE with consensual PVP, PVE with non consensual PVP and true PVP zones). If people can't even grasp that and believe it's a PVP game like "Counter strike" they just explained to new players that the conversational level here is that of the average 12 year old yelling through his Xbox headset. And that is killing the game. People hear about "the game for intellectuals" and find a bunch of annoying kids posting nonsense in the forums. Sad and unappealing.
Anyways, git gut and troll hard on the forums. Get new players to like dumb e-peen conversations. Watch how they read this tread and find the solutions against the bullying.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2722
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:23:11 -
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Verlyn wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. Bullshit. They first victimised by themseves wanting that 100% comfy carebear space so bad in a space that cannot, and WILL NOT, provide it to them. Sorry. Door's that way. Id rather see the game burning itself down to the ground as is than becoming yet another kiddie's playground. Actually the majority didn't. The majority of them read a review or signed up for a free trial found out the games full of little bitches too afraid of PvP who decided to stay in the baby pond with a bunch of other lil bitchrs nd shoot ships that have no hope of retaliating. They then decided not to sign up.
Ironically you are burning it down. CCP misses out on cash and that cash isn't being used to make nice new toys or buy new hardware.
There are 8000 systems where you can fight actual players, not 20 second fights where you burn down a helpless ship before dying to invulnerable NPCs, fights that make your hands shake and fights that when you win give you a big sense of satisfaction and enjoyment.
Should try that out one day I can assure you its fun.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15488
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:25:51 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:
At its heart this argument is and always has been about two opposing viewpoints, some people think they shouldn't have to have what they perceive as limits placed on their game play by other players and some people think they should be able to play the game in the way they feel it has been put forward by the developers without having to care about what anyone else thinks.
That sums it up well. The problem is that one side in demonstrably right and the other on lives in a world of fantasy and unreasonable personal preferences. One side adapted to how EVE is on day one and has been mostly happy since then, and the other side has complained about how EVE is since day one and been very unhappy (rather than just stopping themselves from playing a game they fundamentally don't like.. Why should people who are right (and sane) "try to understand" people are provably wrong (and could probably use some mental health care services to help them stop torturing themselves with video games they hate)? Because it then makes it easier to convince them of that, assuming of course they are arguing in good faith in the first place which is where the troll issue comes in again. Perhaps I'm giving people too much credit here but I also think its simple good manners to show that you can understand someones viewpoint even if you disagree with it and are going to try and convince them to take up yours instead. Im not blaming you specifically for this or saying you shouldnt argue your case but polarising the discussion by not caring about the other side simply results in the same back and forth bullshit where people pay zero attention to what the other person is saying unless they can use it to score some petty 'gotcha' point. It achieves nothing and to be honest we've seen it for far too damn long now.
You are giving way too much credit, in thinking that it can ever be different.
It can't, as soon as anyone presents any kind of evidence of something, no matter how well presented, the human mind will rebel and even backfire.
I gave up trying to convince people of anything years ago. The simple fact is that I know that the truth does actually penetrate into people's skulls even when they cannot acknowledge it publicly for fear of losing face. When you see these kinds of people (whether online or in person) start to stutter, grasp for stupid ideas and basically start to lose their ****, you know you are hitting home and their reactions are a pain response. Responding to a pain of their own making because they don't want to acknowledge something they deep down know is true.
In other words , I get no satisfaction at all from seeing innocent or well meaning people suffer (this is why I'm not a gank type in EVE, nothing wrong with it as it's within rules of the game but I don't gain any joy from the reaction), but I live to watch liars and selfish people squirm and lose their minds, and that happens every day on this forum. Telling a liar the truth is like locking a vampire in a tanning booth.
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15488
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:26:56 -
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Chris Ishar wrote:baltec1 wrote:No they decide to victimise themselves. It's spelled victimize. Like in "No, raped women decide to victimize themselves". The posts are way out of line and don't bring anything useful to the discussion. How many people decided to leave EVE Online because the toxic posts? No idea. But a lot read about 20 posts an understand the futility of posting and leave the forums to the twenty to thirty people of around 30k active online 'players'. None of this comes close to representing the problems arising for new players. The game is divided in different area types (PVE with consensual PVP, PVE with non consensual PVP and true PVP zones). If people can't even grasp that and believe it's a PVP game like "Counter strike" they just explained to new players that the conversational level here is that of the average 12 year old yelling through his Xbox headset. And that is killing the game. People hear about "the game for intellectuals" and find a bunch of annoying kids posting nonsense in the forums. Sad and unappealing. Anyways, git gut and troll hard on the forums. Get new players to like dumb e-peen conversations. Watch how they read this tread and find the solutions against the bullying.
What freaking planet if this guy from?
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Chris Ishar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:28:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:What freaking planet if this guy from? Earth.
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15488
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:32:17 -
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Chris Ishar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:What freaking planet if this guy from? Earth.
Confirmation that Earth is screwed then.
There is no consensual only pvp zone in EVE. That is why people are on here complaining. If CCP wanted consensual only pvp, WHY do they let you shoot at people in high sec? Why not just make guns shut off or not shoot real players in high sec? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10697
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:33:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It just goes to show you that in rich Western countries (where most EVE players come from), victims are born, not made.
Wishful thinking or alternate facts?
Either way, you have no data to support that. The last demographics by country that I can remember were compiled by Akita T back in 2008. They put western players at about a third of the population.
Just sayin'
Mr Epeen
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1149
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:38:07 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Chris Ishar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:What freaking planet if this guy from? Earth. Confirmation that Earth is screwed then. There is no consensual only pvp zone in EVE. That is why people are on here complaining. If CCP wanted consensual only pvp, WHY do they let you shoot at people in high sec? Why not just make guns shut off or not shoot real players in high sec? Confirming that the Earth is screwed and that the only zone in EVE is the Surprise Buttsecks zone :D
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2724
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:38:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:baltec1 wrote:The people that pvp are not the ones the have and still do demand the removal of other people's gameplay and content. That's your opinion man, I say that at times the gameplay / content I want IS removed by gankers. Whenever someone says "I just want to be left in peace" is an example of their content being removed by someone else. It's all viewpoints. There is a very real difference between you choosing to not do something because you fear other players and people not being able to do something because the mechanics were changed to make it impossible. This is another valid point.
The fact is you're painting one side with your tarry brush and ignoring your own whining.
When I created the biggest war dec alliance in EvE who was it that whined and moaned for a year or more to get it nerfed because highsec was "too dangerous"? Null alliances.
When Goons found out about mobile siphon units who was it that whined and moaned to have mechanics changed.
When people started to blow up gank wrecks who was it that whined and moaned to have them buffed?
In my experience the whining and moaning from null, especially from your old alliancr s dear leader made any complaining from high like white noise in comparison.
Everyone, regardless of their supposed status whined and moaned from 2003 until now. They will continue to whine and moan so let's do away with the hypocrisy.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15490
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:41:01 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It just goes to show you that in rich Western countries (where most EVE players come from), victims are born, not made.
Wishful thinking or alternate facts? Either way, you have no data to support that. The last demographics by country that I can remember were compiled by Akita T back in 2008. They put western players at about a third of the population.Just sayin' Mr Epeen
You must be getting old and having the fuzzy memory then:
https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=782711
Most players are from the West. Meaning Western Europe and North America. If you're going to nitpick, at least get it right perhaps? |
Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:43:47 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Verlyn wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. Bullshit. They first victimised by themseves wanting that 100% comfy carebear space so bad in a space that cannot, and WILL NOT, provide it to them. Sorry. Door's that way. Id rather see the game burning itself down to the ground as is than becoming yet another kiddie's playground. Actually the majority didn't. The majority of them read a review or signed up for a free trial found out the games full of little bitches too afraid of PvP who decided to stay in the baby pond with a bunch of other lil bitchrs nd shoot ships that have no hope of retaliating. They then decided not to sign up. Ironically you are burning it down. CCP misses out on cash and that cash isn't being used to make nice new toys or buy new hardware. There are 8000 systems where you can fight actual players, not 20 second fights where you burn down a helpless ship before dying to invulnerable NPCs, fights that make your hands shake and fights that when you win give you a big sense of satisfaction and enjoyment. Should try that out one day I can assure you its fun.
Lol, yea, like a handful of butthurt "victims" were really going to affect CCP's finances and business model on the long run, or ever did hurt it for more than 10 years...
Cry me a river.
And also, before assuming ****, might I invite you to:
Zkillboard
You might actually learn so many wonderous things about yourself there. |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2724
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:45:34 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It just goes to show you that in rich Western countries (where most EVE players come from), victims are born, not made.
Wishful thinking or alternate facts? Either way, you have no data to support that. The last demographics by country that I can remember were compiled by Akita T back in 2008. They put western players at about a third of the population. Just sayin' Mr Epeen For Jenn alternative facts are facts and everyone else's facts are alternative.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10697
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:47:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It just goes to show you that in rich Western countries (where most EVE players come from), victims are born, not made.
Wishful thinking or alternate facts? Either way, you have no data to support that. The last demographics by country that I can remember were compiled by Akita T back in 2008. They put western players at about a third of the population.Just sayin' Mr Epeen You must be getting old and having the fuzzy memory then: https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=782711 Most players are from the West. Meaning Western Europe and North America. If you're going to nitpick, at least get it right perhaps? I guess I shouldn't have opened that can of worms. Western countries/culture is so ambiguous and has so many definitions and differing contexts that it is essentially meaningless as a generic term.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Alexander Bor
Polaris Global
15
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:47:46 -
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I support the topic-starter.
But it could be like CCP want all this sh*t going on. For many players game have became borring. If CCP wants industrialists and non-PVP corporations to lose their ships then why don't they introduce ships aging or smth like that but not making all this sh*t that they've brought into gameplay. |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:48:56 -
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Dare to say no to buttsecks.
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Live or die, YOUR choice.
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Alysse TheRouge
TheRouge Corp
0
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:49:33 -
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Are we talking about the red pill vs the blue one...? Just asking. |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2724
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:50:19 -
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Verlyn wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Verlyn wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. Bullshit. They first victimised by themseves wanting that 100% comfy carebear space so bad in a space that cannot, and WILL NOT, provide it to them. Sorry. Door's that way. Id rather see the game burning itself down to the ground as is than becoming yet another kiddie's playground. Actually the majority didn't. The majority of them read a review or signed up for a free trial found out the games full of little bitches too afraid of PvP who decided to stay in the baby pond with a bunch of other lil bitchrs nd shoot ships that have no hope of retaliating. They then decided not to sign up. Ironically you are burning it down. CCP misses out on cash and that cash isn't being used to make nice new toys or buy new hardware. There are 8000 systems where you can fight actual players, not 20 second fights where you burn down a helpless ship before dying to invulnerable NPCs, fights that make your hands shake and fights that when you win give you a big sense of satisfaction and enjoyment. Should try that out one day I can assure you its fun. Lol, yea, like a handful of butthurt "victims" were really going to affect CCP's finances and business model on the long run, or ever did hurt it for more than 10 years... Cry me a river. And also, before assuming ****, might I invite you to: Zkillboard You might actually learn so many wonderous things about yourself there. By handful Im assuming you mean the tens of millions playing PvE only games because they don't like PvP. Based on other games with both PvP and PvE there's about 1/10 ratio so given the 200,000 who play EvE that's potentially 2,000,000 or so.
I don't do killboards they give away too much Intel.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:52:21 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:baltec1 wrote:The people that pvp are not the ones the have and still do demand the removal of other people's gameplay and content. That's your opinion man, I say that at times the gameplay / content I want IS removed by gankers. Whenever someone says "I just want to be left in peace" is an example of their content being removed by someone else. It's all viewpoints. There is a very real difference between you choosing to not do something because you fear other players and people not being able to do something because the mechanics were changed to make it impossible. This is another valid point. The fact is you're painting one side with your tarry brush and ignoring your own whining. When I created the biggest war dec alliance in EvE who was it that whined and moaned for a year or more to get it nerfed because highsec was "too dangerous"? Null alliances. When Goons found out about mobile siphon units who was it that whined and moaned to have mechanics changed. When people started to blow up gank wrecks who was it that whined and moaned to have them buffed? In my experience the whining and moaning from null, especially from your old alliancr s dear leader made any complaining from high like white noise in comparison. Everyone, regardless of their supposed status whined and moaned from 2003 until now. They will continue to whine and moan so let's do away with the hypocrisy.
And to the point, high sec "victims" were only ever the minority, and hardly the core of CCP's current cashflow.
So why even bother listening ? They'll learn eventually and move on, like we all did once. |
Jacques d'Orleans
3071
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:55:26 -
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Chris Ishar wrote:baltec1 wrote:No they decide to victimise themselves. It's spelled victimize. Like in "No, raped women decide to victimize themselves". The posts are way out of line and don't bring anything useful to the discussion. How many people decided to leave EVE Online because the toxic posts? No idea. But a lot read about 20 posts an understand the futility of posting and leave the forums to the twenty to thirty people of around 30k active online 'players'. None of this comes close to representing the problems arising for new players. The game is divided in different area types (PVE with consensual PVP, PVE with non consensual PVP and true PVP zones). If people can't even grasp that and believe it's a PVP game like "Counter strike" they just explained to new players that the conversational level here is that of the average 12 year old yelling through his Xbox headset. And that is killing the game. People hear about "the game for intellectuals" and find a bunch of annoying kids posting nonsense in the forums. Sad and unappealing. Anyways, git gut and troll hard on the forums. Get new players to like dumb e-peen conversations. Watch how they read this tread and find the solutions against the bullying.
It's spelled victimize and also victimise, not everybody speaks 'murrica here in the forums, some of us speak english.
The rest of your post, well... or in plain english: bollocks!
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
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Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:58:01 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Verlyn wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Verlyn wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:Highsec players with no intent to pvp are victimised by eves mechanics. Bullshit. They first victimised by themseves wanting that 100% comfy carebear space so bad in a space that cannot, and WILL NOT, provide it to them. Sorry. Door's that way. Id rather see the game burning itself down to the ground as is than becoming yet another kiddie's playground. Actually the majority didn't. The majority of them read a review or signed up for a free trial found out the games full of little bitches too afraid of PvP who decided to stay in the baby pond with a bunch of other lil bitchrs nd shoot ships that have no hope of retaliating. They then decided not to sign up. Ironically you are burning it down. CCP misses out on cash and that cash isn't being used to make nice new toys or buy new hardware. There are 8000 systems where you can fight actual players, not 20 second fights where you burn down a helpless ship before dying to invulnerable NPCs, fights that make your hands shake and fights that when you win give you a big sense of satisfaction and enjoyment. Should try that out one day I can assure you its fun. Lol, yea, like a handful of butthurt "victims" were really going to affect CCP's finances and business model on the long run, or ever did hurt it for more than 10 years... Cry me a river. And also, before assuming ****, might I invite you to: Zkillboard You might actually learn so many wonderous things about yourself there. By handful Im assuming you mean the tens of millions playing PvE only games because they don't like PvP. Based on other games with both PvP and PvE there's about 1/10 ratio so given the 200,000 who play EvE that's potentially 2,000,000 or so. I don't do killboards they give away too much Intel.
All times in gaming history where a company began to ditch its core play in favor of attracting the ADD kiddies numbers in, the game eventually descended into a shitstorm of fail, and died.
If Eve had to go, I along most of its current core playerbase would rather see it go down as the monster it's always been, rather than some faked up version just to please the spoiled-to-****-freebee-generation.
If Eve along with its public interest goes away, or even due to lack of funds, it will just go, and **** it, but I'll be damned if Eve ever gets saved by the ******* PVE crowd.
Lmao in your dreams. |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15494
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:11:17 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: By handful Im assuming you mean the tens of millions playing PvE only games because they don't like PvP. Based on other games with both PvP and PvE there's about 1/10 ratio so given the 200,000 who play EvE that's potentially 2,000,000 or so.
I don't do killboards they give away too much Intel.
There it is, that BORG mentality. EVE should be like those other games, because all games must conform. No no no you can't have one be different. |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15494
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:14:22 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Chris Ishar wrote:baltec1 wrote:No they decide to victimise themselves. It's spelled victimize. Like in "No, raped women decide to victimize themselves". The posts are way out of line and don't bring anything useful to the discussion. How many people decided to leave EVE Online because the toxic posts? No idea. But a lot read about 20 posts an understand the futility of posting and leave the forums to the twenty to thirty people of around 30k active online 'players'. None of this comes close to representing the problems arising for new players. The game is divided in different area types (PVE with consensual PVP, PVE with non consensual PVP and true PVP zones). If people can't even grasp that and believe it's a PVP game like "Counter strike" they just explained to new players that the conversational level here is that of the average 12 year old yelling through his Xbox headset. And that is killing the game. People hear about "the game for intellectuals" and find a bunch of annoying kids posting nonsense in the forums. Sad and unappealing. Anyways, git gut and troll hard on the forums. Get new players to like dumb e-peen conversations. Watch how they read this tread and find the solutions against the bullying. It's spelled victimize and also victimise, not everybody speaks 'murrica here in the forums, some of us speak english. The rest of your post, well... or in plain english: bollocks!
Notice how when they know they are wrong they start grasping at things like spelling, or mentioning the populations of non-EVE games, or even debating what the term "the West" means (when it's clear how most people in Western countries use the term).
And they say you can never win an argument on the internet They must have never been here lol.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2724
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:20:01 -
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Verlyn wrote:
All times in gaming history where a company began to ditch its core play in favor of attracting the ADD kiddies numbers in, the game eventually descended into a shitstorm of fail, and died.
If Eve had to go, I along most of its current core playerbase would rather see it go down as the monster it's always been, rather than some faked up version just to please the spoiled-to-****-freebee-generation.
If interest goes away, due to lack of funds, it will just go, **** it, but I'll be damned if Eve ever gets saved by the ******* PVE crowd.
Lmao in your dreams.
That's true regarding the core player base. You see I started in 2003 and we were by necessity PvErs. I mined my first battleship in a Thorax because it was the best mining cruiser and there were no battleships. In fact the game was only a success because it had both PvPrs and PvErs. Then CCP ditched its core player base and its been stagnant ever since.
I don't PvE because its boring to me now. I'd rather purchase Plex if I needed isk even though I disagree with Plex. In fact I don't engage in any of the activities that I usually defend on these forums.
I don't go to highsec except to get things not available in null.
But I do believe your type are stupid - you care too much about what carebears are doing in the tiny bit of EvE they get to do it in. We have 7000 systems, 8000 if we use wardecs, that's 7 times more than high. Yet people such as yourselves are so pathetic you become obsessed that someone is not playing the way you demand they do.
I find that amusing, I find you amusing. I checked your killboard and find it amusing. Thank you.
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Keno Skir
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Chris Ishar wrote:baltec1 wrote:No they decide to victimise themselves. It's spelled victimize. Like in "No, raped women decide to victimize themselves".
No actually it's spelled with an S. After a while of being unable to spell, Americans changed most "ise" words to "ize" to make themselves feel better about their inadequate education system. None the less "ize" is not the way. There is history of the use of "ize" before "ise" was eventually settled on, but it was during a time that people weren't really bothered about spelling things wrong.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1150
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:30:08 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I started in 2003
I find that amusing, I find you amusing. I checked your killboard and find it amusing. Thank you.
Lol
I find both of these statements hilarious
Since when does a killboard represent a player? Everyone but a few has alts, so yeah.. kb isn't worth **** if you don't know what you're looking at XD
The fact that a player as old as you (I even doubt you're the original owner) resorts to that retort only points out how bad you are at arguments and forum pvp
Thank
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15494
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:33:33 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I started in 2003
I find that amusing, I find you amusing. I checked your killboard and find it amusing. Thank you.
Lol I find both of these statements hilarious Since when does a killboard represent a player? Everyone but a few has alts, so yeah.. kb isn't worth **** if you don't know what you're looking at XD The fact that a player as old as you (I even doubt you're the original owner) resorts to that retort only points out how bad you are at arguments and forum pvp Thank
Add that to the list. In the last 2 pages we've had
-"Whats the defintion of "the West"?
-"How do you spell victimise"?
-Killboards
- The PVe populations of games that are not EVE
It's (almost) painful to see the power of the truth as it burns it's way into people's fantasies...
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3286
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:42:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I started in 2003
I find that amusing, I find you amusing. I checked your killboard and find it amusing. Thank you.
Lol I find both of these statements hilarious Since when does a killboard represent a player? Everyone but a few has alts, so yeah.. kb isn't worth **** if you don't know what you're looking at XD The fact that a player as old as you (I even doubt you're the original owner) resorts to that retort only points out how bad you are at arguments and forum pvp Thank Add that to the list. In the last 2 pages we've had -"Whats the defintion of "the West"? -"How do you spell victimise"? -Killboards - The PVe populations of games that are not EVE It's (almost) painful to see the power of the truth as it burns it's way into people's fantasies...
If Ziona had the same will to do what he said as he has to shitpost, we'd have a different character to reply to. |
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