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Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 02:41:00 -
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TL;DR
- Good friend of mine
- Graduated this December
- Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, Physics
- Needs a job "inside" his major before May 2012 or he will be forcibly removed from the US and returned to a rather unpleasant part of India.
Longer
I know that a lot of EVE players are involved in or know people in the electronics and computing industry. I am posting this plea in the hope that one of you guys or gals can provide a lead, to give my friend a chance to stay in the US.
He is fantastically competent, with an impressive body of knowledge matched only by his ability to grow and apply it. An excellent person with strong character and a talented musician (think concert hall, not garage band).
Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.
Advantages:
- Willing to relocate to ay of the 48 contiguous states
- Starting salary is highly flexible. Willing to work unpaid in "intern" level positions in areas where he has family (A few family members on both the East and West coast)
Restrictions:
- Not yet a US citizen (partially dependent on finding gainful employment) This is only an issue because he is ineligible for a security clearance
- The position must be accepted by the US government as requiring or making use of a degree in Electrical Engineering
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SpaceSquirrels
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Posted - 2011.12.29 03:46:00 -
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Had this happen to a Vietnamese girl at my school with chem engi degree. Turn out US companies have 0 problem hiring foreign workers in other nations...but hire ones with actual useful degrees, and intelligence, not criminals, like the US... here.. eh. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:26:00 -
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I think the best advice I could give is that he go after a masters degree, and then try and get a job, as companies will be much more willing to offer a job to foreign masters recipients.
I can only offer the highest hopes for him also. INS is the greatest **** hole the U.S. has as of right now IMO. Any organization that actively throws out the best and brightest that our universities have to offer, or even just people who are trying to live their lives as normal people, is a worthless pile of crap, and should be completely broken down and done away with. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:40:00 -
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We're having enough problems getting jobs for our own citizens, try Canada maybe? |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:41:00 -
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Tell him to check out N.R.A.O.
I used to work for them and the engineering is top shelf. These people are way ahead of their time. Also, they have a very diverse international employ... Many from all over the world. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 05:06:00 -
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So let me get this straight. Your "friend" didn't have things lined up before before he/she graduated and is now desperate to get a job?
When you stated flexible starting pay I knew this wasn't going to be a good thing for the job market.
Let me make this clear. Things are already skewed very far in favor of employers in the US. The visa program is a dream come true for them of more desperate people willing to work for well under a living wage and by proxy lower the potential earning power of the entire market.
Because the alternative is going back home. Basically its the next thing up from the company store which was a step up from slavery.
We simply don't have the jobs anymore to keep supporting this program. And the desperation just makes it harder and harder on US CItizens to work for a living wage. Not to mention it is very handy for keeping unions away.
I wish your friend the best. But to be frank he isn't helping by willing to work for nothing or peanuts. |
McReaper
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Posted - 2011.12.29 08:54:00 -
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Terri,
Good luck to your friend and also anyone else who is trying to get a job in the current climate because its tough everywhere. Sadly, this issue isnt limited to the USA. I'm from UK, problems here and in Europe too.
At the end of the day, highly skilled people who can contribute to the overall economy is exactly what any country would want. Here in the UK, we complain of "brain drain" because we dont want to lose those qualified and potentially high contributing people.
Here in the UK, the government reports numbers of people coming into the country as a headline catcher, but doesnt bother reporting the number leaving at the same time! Further it doesnt bother telling us how many of those groups are skilled / unskilled etc. So, the headline figures are useless imo.
Good luck to all in need.
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all.
Viva CCG ! <--- Had to get that in, sorry. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.29 09:55:00 -
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Alternatively, he could go back and try to improve the unpleasant state of his country with his new skills.
Just a thought. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2011.12.29 13:17:00 -
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No offense but how "unpleasant" is the environment he came from if he had the resources and financial support to obtain higher education in another country? - |
Citizen20100211442
Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:11:00 -
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Hey what's the matter, does your friend don't likes his homeland? Comparing with US , it looks like India needs more working hands to improve. And think about benefits - living between people just like you, instead of multicultural pot. Enjoying your own ancient aryan culture, instead banal imitations and degeneracy. US will give you nothing apart conditions to consume more junk (stuff they keep calling standart of living) To be, or not to be, that's the question. |
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:11:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:No offense but how "unpleasant" is the environment he came from if he had the resources and financial support to obtain higher education in another country?
Depends which part of India, could be one of the areas being turned into an industrially ravaged and polluted places with a massive over population problem. Maybe they live on the border to Pakistan or Bangladesh living with all the simmering cultural tension.
India has areas that could be unpleasant whatever your financial or social situation. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:01:00 -
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Terri Lam wrote:Graduated this December
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Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.
This confuses me. Does he, or does he not, have a degree? |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:46:00 -
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India is the new Silicon Valley. Israel is also pretty good.
No troll. GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:52:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:India is the new Silicon Valley. Israel is also pretty good.
No troll.
You know that isn't a troll because he pointed the fact out right in the post |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:10:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:AlleyKat wrote:India is the new Silicon Valley. Israel is also pretty good.
No troll. You know that isn't a troll because he pointed the fact out right in the post
It really isn't.
India has a huge growth in technology research and hiring of talent.
Israel is also getting growth in tech firms setting up shop or significant outsourcing of talent to that country.
USA is not the only option.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:51:00 -
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^ that is actually true, however so is the fact that India especially is underusing all that talent.
I can only add this. Dont let your friend allow himself to be forcably removed... if he is in this situation in March then he is best off getting the ticket and riding out because the black marks invlolved in being ejected are going to hassle him forever.
Best of luck to him, but remind him to throw the chips in when theres no other choice and just leave of his own accord. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Shalia Ripper
The Elevens
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:16:00 -
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Your friend prob would have better job prospects in SE Asia or the previously mentioned Israel. In the US he/she will end up taking a job that has nothing to do with his degree and deny me a well deserved gainful employment.
In short, get lost and stop takin our jobs.
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Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:46:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:
It really isn't.
India has a huge growth in technology research and hiring of talent.
Israel is also getting growth in tech firms setting up shop or significant outsourcing of talent to that country.
USA is not the only option.
AK
While this might be true, you failed to mention that the average wealth per person is still in the shitter for India, so a person with the same degree and job would definitely have a much higher standard of living in the U.S. than over in India, on average. |
Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:56:00 -
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Thanks to everyone for their responses, please keep them coming and send your friends this way if they might be able to help.
Thanks, I have just sent him that way.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:So let me get this straight. Your "friend" didn't have things lined up before before he/she graduated and is now desperate to get a job? My real life friend did not have things lined up. Not from lack of trying to get something for the past year, employers have simply had better options than someone who can start ~a year from the hire date.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:When you stated flexible starting pay I knew this wasn't going to be a good thing for the job market. I stated flexible pay, not "unfair" or "exploitative of his situation" pay. In two cities out of the entire country he has the ability to work for less than a "living wage" and is willing to take internship level work which would count as employment with some expected additional restrictions on the amount of time he could keep the low/no-pay position.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I wish your friend the best. But to be frank he isn't helping by willing to work for nothing or peanuts. I don't think most people would expect a single person's desperation to stay in the country to help anyone. |
Terri Lam
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:56:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Terri Lam wrote:Graduated this December ... Unable to get an "official" job without a degree, the search so far had been rather limited. Now he has until May to find and hold onto a job which falls under the umbrella of 'Electrical Engineering'.
This confuses me. Does he, or does he not, have a degree? He does have a degree. Employers are surprisingly unwilling to hire people 6 months before their graduation date (even those at college job fairs)
AlleyKat wrote:India is the new Silicon Valley. Israel is also pretty good.
No troll. An excellent point, however the requirement set is "to stay in the US", not "to get an EE job"
Something Random wrote:Dont let your friend allow himself to be forcably removed... if he is in this situation in March then he is best off getting the ticket and riding out because the black marks invlolved in being ejected are going to hassle him forever. Reasonable advice, I'll pass it along.
Shalia Ripper wrote:Your friend prob would have better job prospects in SE Asia or the previously mentioned Israel. In the US he/she will end up taking a job that has nothing to do with his degree and deny me a well deserved gainful employment.
He would be more than willing to get a job at Taco Bell or something, but it goes against one of the main requirements for the continuation of his visa, which is the job must within reason require him to use the degree he acquired on the student visa.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:27:00 -
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Which is exactly the true goal of the visa program. Force them into a small corner of the job market so they can help to lower wages and benefits in that sector.
Your friend said he is willing to work for taco bell which unless I am mistaken is a near to minimum wage job. Therefore you can't tell me he/she would not do the same in an EE job. Heck I would be surprised if most of those jobs arent already just about starting minimum wage with high turnover.
Your friend needs to understand. We WISH we could have our hands open to everyone in this world would like better opportunity but we can't. The idiots in congress decided that mass outsourcing was a good thing some went on an offensive against the unions and now as a result we are sitting on high unemployment and in the first time in our history are having a "jobless recovery"
This is why we must end these visa types. Because it makes people like your friend desperate and that ruins things for everyone else. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:56:00 -
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Did your friend ever think of starting his own small business in electrical/electronics repair to use his electrical engineering degree? Or is that way out of your friends field?
I am of course assuming immigration would consider self employment use of a degree as something that could extend a visa. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:33:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Which is exactly the true goal of the visa program. Force them into a small corner of the job market so they can help to lower wages and benefits in that sector.
Your friend said he is willing to work for taco bell which unless I am mistaken is a near to minimum wage job. Therefore you can't tell me he/she would not do the same in an EE job. Heck I would be surprised if most of those jobs arent already just about starting minimum wage with high turnover.
Your friend needs to understand. We WISH we could have our hands open to everyone in this world would like better opportunity but we can't. The idiots in congress decided that mass outsourcing was a good thing some went on an offensive against the unions and now as a result we are sitting on high unemployment and in the first time in our history are having a "jobless recovery"
This is why we must end these visa types. Because it makes people like your friend desperate and that ruins things for everyone else.
...You're blaming the job market conditions on immigration visas?
Visas that are already RARELY given out in the first place?
And you think that EE jobs start at minimum wage with high turnover?
WOW you're an idiot. |
Marr Aridia
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:33:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Which is exactly the true goal of the visa program. Force them into a small corner of the job market so they can help to lower wages and benefits in that sector.
Your friend said he is willing to work for taco bell which unless I am mistaken is a near to minimum wage job. Therefore you can't tell me he/she would not do the same in an EE job. Heck I would be surprised if most of those jobs arent already just about starting minimum wage with high turnover.
Your friend needs to understand. We WISH we could have our hands open to everyone in this world would like better opportunity but we can't. The idiots in congress decided that mass outsourcing was a good thing some went on an offensive against the unions and now as a result we are sitting on high unemployment and in the first time in our history are having a "jobless recovery"
This is why we must end these visa types. Because it makes people like your friend desperate and that ruins things for everyone else. ...You're blaming the job market conditions on immigration visas? Visas that are already RARELY given out in the first place? And you think that EE jobs start at minimum wage with high turnover? WOW you're an idiot.
Shhhhh!! Let him beleive that! So he cant realize that the CEOs who pay them selves millions in bonuses derived from how many employees they can lay off to do so. How Wall street spent billions of peoples retirements and money to pay them selves 100 million bonuses even after they received even more money from the tax payers. How the billionaries received tax breaks so they produce jobs but instead they pocketed the cash and lay off more people so they can pay themselves even more.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.30 05:54:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Which is exactly the true goal of the visa program. Force them into a small corner of the job market so they can help to lower wages and benefits in that sector.
Your friend said he is willing to work for taco bell which unless I am mistaken is a near to minimum wage job. Therefore you can't tell me he/she would not do the same in an EE job. Heck I would be surprised if most of those jobs arent already just about starting minimum wage with high turnover.
Your friend needs to understand. We WISH we could have our hands open to everyone in this world would like better opportunity but we can't. The idiots in congress decided that mass outsourcing was a good thing some went on an offensive against the unions and now as a result we are sitting on high unemployment and in the first time in our history are having a "jobless recovery"
This is why we must end these visa types. Because it makes people like your friend desperate and that ruins things for everyone else. ...You're blaming the job market conditions on immigration visas? Visas that are already RARELY given out in the first place? And you think that EE jobs start at minimum wage with high turnover? WOW you're an idiot.
It was half a joke on the EE job tho his friend seems to be willing to work for that little.
And they arent rare. It is over 100k per year. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.30 06:05:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
It was half a joke on the EE job tho his friend seems to be willing to work for that little.
And they arent rare. It is over 100k per year.
Misinformation: The gateway drug to the hard stuff that is American politics. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.12.31 00:09:00 -
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Here's a suggestion:
1) Return to Hellish part of India
2) Get job in nicer area of India and move there.
Name a shrub after me.-á Something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.12.31 21:39:00 -
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Well, if things dont work out in the US for him he can always try Panama.
Lots of people from India here so he would have a feeling of community, lots of new job openings for several big projects, food is cheap and country is not that big and very safe compared to other countries in latinamerica.
Lots and lots of USA expats here too, if he feels more inclined to bond with people from the USA. Local currency is the US$ too so no funny money changing and gas and food is sold in gallons and pounds.
Good luck to him. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.01.01 00:48:00 -
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India has huge growth in the IT industry these days. The US is oversaturated. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.01 01:11:00 -
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Too funny. India is where all the jobs went. I'm speechless at the irony. I hear IHOP is hiring.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
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