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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.04.01 09:42:39 -
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I used to run a poorly shield tanked orca back when I first started, back before my unavoidable vacation from Eve a couple years back. I have recently came back to eve and I finally understood proper tanking... more or less.
It's better to have a thinner shield made of bricks(lots of resist) than a thick shield made of lots of wet cardboard(shield expanders no resist boost). And I was been trying a few different combinations to see what I was comfortable with.
[Orca, Fleet Orca] Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II
Mining Foreman Burst I, Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge Mining Foreman Burst I, Medium Remote Armor Repairer I Medium Remote Armor Repairer I Salvager I
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Cargohold Optimization II
Dose this look good for a good mining fleet boost orca? I been going back and forth between dropping a Adapt resist for an expander, but I like it the way it is.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
744
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Posted - 2017.04.01 10:35:55 -
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Quote: Role Bonus: 400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range
you want remote shield boosters up there in the highs
then you need to specificy the environment in which you're gonna use it. afterwards have you checked the cap on that fit? it doesn't last much.
rigs: you don't need the cargohold optimization |
Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.04.01 11:55:06 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Quote: Role Bonus: 400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range
you want remote shield boosters up there in the highs then you need to specificy the environment in which you're gonna use it. afterwards have you checked the cap on that fit? it doesn't last much. rigs: you don't need the cargohold optimization Thanks forgot about that
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2017.04.01 14:32:31 -
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Kathern Aurilen wrote: [Orca, Fleet Orca] Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II
Mining Foreman Burst I, Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge Mining Foreman Burst I, Medium Remote Armor Repairer I Medium Remote Armor Repairer I Salvager I
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Cargohold Optimization II
Overall, you've got the right ideas. Strong local tank, plus fleet support capability. I would tweak a few things though:
1. I'd drop an invul field for a survey scanner. That massive range bonus is very handy at actually directing your other mining ships, and the extra resists you get after 2x stacking penalties aren't all that great.
2. I'd drop the salvager unless you can run a T2; you can salvage with drones if need be. I'd consider replacing it with a tractor beam, which you get huge bonuses for, or any other utility high (probe launcher, another command burst, etc.).
3. I concur with Soel: drop the cargo rig and replace those remote armor reppers with remote shield boosters. For the rig, I'd consider replacing it with another shield extender rig, or maybe an agility rig. Alternatively, you could slap on a command processor rig and run a fourth command burst in that extra high slot you freed up in #2.
4. Get rid of that shield power relay. Your shield recharge rate isn't going to be any significant part of your tank, it's mostly going to be buffer, plus you're killing your cap. I'd consider replacing it with either a PDS to boost your shield and your cap, or an iStab to help with your agility. Alternatively, if you're still hurting for cap (you shouldn't be though), consider a cap relay.
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1692
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Posted - 2017.04.01 14:38:42 -
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Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing?
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
747
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:27:25 -
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elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing?
that he is using it to boost a fleet :) and orca > porpoise in boosting sector |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:28:54 -
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Okay then all is good.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
747
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:31:27 -
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elitatwo wrote:Okay then all is good.
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Luthor Ikkala
Skullwing productions
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:40:40 -
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elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing?
Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
747
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:52:21 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing? Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?
he is noob... go easy on him pls |
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:15:37 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote: Overall, you've got the right ideas. Strong local tank, plus fleet support capability. I would tweak a few things though:
1. I'd drop an invul field for a survey scanner. That massive range bonus is very handy at actually directing your other mining ships, and the extra resists you get after 2x stacking penalties aren't all that great.!
i like every bit of tank I can get. The fleet mods might not get a whole lot of use, I don't really have a whole lot in my corp, but I do sometimes hang with a few in my home system to mine with. I plan on mining a lot all by myself, so I can either pull out my Mack or skiff(little slower than both) or mine with this alone and just screw off a while, so I can deal with no scanner. As far as the adapt shield... Am I better off just going with 4 flavors or just sticking with what I have?
Quote:2. I'd drop the salvager unless you can run a T2; you can salvage with drones if need be. I'd consider replacing it with a tractor beam, which you get huge bonuses for, or any other utility high (probe launcher, another command burst, etc.).! I was planning on packing a mobile tractor unit. If I'm going to use salvage drones, if I don't forget, if I think ahead I can pack a full set of ice or mining drones. Where as with the salvage drone and not planning ahead, I can only pack 5 light attack, 4 miners, 3 ice drones.
Quote:3. I concur with Soel: drop the cargo rig and replace those remote armor reppers with remote shield boosters. For the rig, I'd consider replacing it with another shield extender rig, or maybe an agility rig. Alternatively, you could slap on a command processor rig and run a fourth command burst in that extra high slot you freed up in #2.! I kinda thought a shield extender too, when I put on the cargo rig. I thought about another command burst too...Meh, I'll still be by myself most times so skip it. I forgot about a probe launcher....maybe later.
Quote:4. Get rid of that shield power relay. Your shield recharge rate isn't going to be any significant part of your tank, it's mostly going to be buffer, plus you're killing your cap. I'd consider replacing it with either a PDS to boost your shield and your cap, or an iStab to help with your agility. Alternatively, if you're still hurting for cap (you shouldn't be though), consider a cap relay.! No not bad at all for caps, I can run a lil short if I run my reps and everything but I have a 6min buffer on it, so in good shape.
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:05:04 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:....Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?
Sorry my bad.
You must be right then. Flying a high-speed Orca at 10m/s would be much better than a t1 battlecruiser with 100% insurance going 1500m/s.
All this kiting must have gone in my head. Sitting still is the way to go.
I can see this now.
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:23:11 -
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[Orca, Fleet Orca] v2 Damage Control II Warp Core Stabilizer I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II. (Will the penalties still stack in this setup?) EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Kinetic Deflection Field II
Mining Foreman Burst I, Mining Laser Optimization Charge Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge Mining Foreman Burst I, Mining Laser Optimization Charge Medium Remote Shield Booster I. (One of each should be able to help a fleet) Medium Remote Armor Repairer I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Federation Navy Hobgoblin x5 Mining Drone II x5. (Change mining drones to ice as needed) Salvage Drone I x1.
And mobile tractor unit.
I think this a do almost everything setup. Wth full skills this is 380k to 495k tank(depending on damage type)
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:42:51 -
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elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing? there isn't anything wrong at all with a porpoise at all, but the orca has better burst mining drone bonuses. And bigger ore holds.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
752
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:43:58 -
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Kathern Aurilen wrote:elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing? there isn't anything wrong at all with a porpoise at all, but the orca has better burst mining drone bonuses. And bigger ore holds.
bigger is better ikr? every woman say that |
Kathern Aurilen
223
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:50:24 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Kathern Aurilen wrote:elitatwo wrote:Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?
I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?
What am I missing? there isn't anything wrong at all with a porpoise at all, but the orca has better burst mining drone bonuses. And bigger ore holds. bigger is better ikr? every woman say that Heeyyy there space man.... Wanna dock in my station
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Luthor Ikkala
Skullwing productions
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Posted - 2017.04.02 04:19:21 -
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elitatwo wrote:Luthor Ikkala wrote:....Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons? Sorry my bad. You must be right then. Flying a high-speed Orca at 10m/s would be much better than a t1 battlecruiser with 100% insurance going 1500m/s. All this kiting must have gone in my head. Sitting still is the way to go. I can see this now.
Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone? If i go to a belt with orca i dont want to move at all until ive cleared all the rocks near me.
as for the fit.
If you are planning to mine alone change the rigs.
go with large mining drone augmentors.
For the tank i cant give good options im still learning the game aswell!
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
thats what i'd use. |
Kathern Aurilen
223
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Posted - 2017.04.02 04:39:07 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:
Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone? If i go to a belt with orca i dont want to move at all until ive cleared all the rocks near me.
as for the fit.
If you are planning to mine alone change the rigs.
go with large mining drone augmentors.
For the tank i cant give good options im still learning the game aswell!
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
thats what i'd use.
I'm thinking that too but its just going to have to be a all in one. I would nothing more than an all drone setup. But I have to keep it set for fleets... As rare as they are.
I'm not the best at armor buffering and gardeners. But I finally figured out how to Shield tank and shield buffer at https://o.smium.org
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.03 23:51:19 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:...Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?...
Porpoise - Industrial Command ship (battlecruiser class)
- rig size: medium - mass 4.5 mega tons (small ship class wormhole size 5 mega tons and below) - estimates cost: 55m - align time: < 8s
Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship)
- rig size: large - mass: Jupiter - estimates price: 1b - align time: 5d5h55m
Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?
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FootyMD
Death From The Grave Rate My Ticks
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Posted - 2017.04.04 00:13:36 -
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elitatwo wrote:Luthor Ikkala wrote:...Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?... Porpoise - Industrial Command ship (battlecruiser class) - rig size: medium - mass 4.5 mega tons (small ship class wormhole size 5 mega tons and below) - estimates cost: 55m - align time: < 8s Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship) - rig size: large - mass: Jupiter - estimates price: 1b - align time: 5d5h55m Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?
I get your making a joke here but you should try using the actual stats if you are going to try and make a comparison. Not to mention the orca can hold a ton more ore requiring less hulling |
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
770
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Posted - 2017.04.04 06:57:47 -
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elitatwo wrote: Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship)
- rig size: large - mass: Jupiter - estimates price: 1b - align time: 5d5h55m
Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?
i can kite with a "jupiter mass" LEGIT 1337 kiting
Kathern Aurilen wrote:With an Adapt shield and each a diffent flavor of hardener, do the stacking penalties still apply to each resist?
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
anyway the best combo is: 2 adaptive invuln EM Thermal Kinetic
if you want using 4 slot drop the kinetic. did i already suggest you to learn to use pyfa? |
elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.04 07:23:08 -
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FootyMD wrote:....I get your making a joke here but you should try using the actual stats if you are going to try and make a comparison. Not to mention the orca can hold a ton more ore requiring less hulling
Okay the Orca stats may be exaggerated a little but the Porpoise and Orca are two very different ships and ship classes.
The Porpoise was designed to mine with drones in dangerous places and the Orca was designed to spit out links to your barge buddies. The drone mining on the Orca is just some additional topping on the cake so you don't fall asleep while you spit out links every two minutes or so.
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Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
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Posted - 2017.04.04 07:58:54 -
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elitatwo wrote:Luthor Ikkala wrote:...Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?... Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship) - rig size: large - mass: Jupiter - estimates price: 1b - align time: 5d5h55m Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?
Well with a 500MN MWD you can align an Orca in 10 seconds which is 2 seconds slower than a Porpoise so not a big deal. It Mines more, holds 3X more and boosts better.
If you are in HS and have the ISK use an Orca, they are very hard to kill so why not. WH and LS/NS is another issue altogether.
As for the OP.
The Empty Low can be a Bulk Head for more Tank or a Power Diag so you can fit Shield reps. Mid Slot can be a Drone Nav for Solo Mining or a Survey Scanner or a fleet. Rigs, Drone Mining Rigs for Solo or Shield Extenders (Or Cargo expanders because Lol you have 320K EHP anyway) for Fleet High for Remote Reps or Whatever, not really very important unless yoy plan or Reping Hulks getting Ganked (At which point drop the MWD and add large Shield transfers).
[Orca, Mining Boosts]
Damage Control II [Empty Low slot]
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II [Empty Med slot]
Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Field Enhancement Charge Mining Foreman Burst II, Mining Laser Optimization Charge Shield Command Burst II, Shield Harmonizing Charge Small Tractor Beam II [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] |
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