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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.02 20:52:00 -
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This seems to be a constant problem/issue with many people saying "you cannot check Escrow BPC sales" - well you can.
Right Click on the Escrow BPC for sale, Choose "Inspect Merchandise" and an info window will pop up; extend that window to see the BPRuns, Me and Pe of the BP/BPC being offered.
Escrow was (partly) designed for selling BPCs - thats why the feature is built in and pulling up the Info Window of the BP/BPC itself doesnt give anything but the size (cargo space) of the package.
Escrow details cannot lie - its a built-in protection for the buyer. So can all those people who keep saying you cant check the legitimacy of BPC sales please take note?
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.01.02 21:57:00 -
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One thing that confuses some people on Escrow bps is the Runs = -1. What does that stand for? How are they labled for original vs unlimited copy? ______________
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Pr1vate Ryan
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Posted - 2004.01.03 00:40:00 -
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Yes you can check all details of a bpc on Escrow as Morkt desribes. A -1 in the number of runs coloum indicated an infinite run. No idea why -1 but hey, we don't make the rules.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.03 01:36:00 -
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Stickify!
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
knifee
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Posted - 2004.01.03 02:35:00 -
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-1 is an original or pre-patch unlimited BP i think... |
RecoilUK
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Posted - 2004.01.03 03:25:00 -
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Hi
You can huh?
Then why, when I look, all it shows is this
Volume = 0.1m3
L8rs
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Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.01.03 03:50:00 -
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Recoil, you have to resize the window, like Morkt said.
Then you should see another 2-3 columns.
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Pr1vate Ryan
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Posted - 2004.01.03 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1vate Ryan on 03/01/2004 05:13:52 Recoil
If you care to read what Morkt actually said you would understand. To see the Me. etc, you choose the tab "Inspect merchandise", this then opens another window, which if you drag open wide enough shows all the relevent info.
Nobody here has ever said to right click and then select "show info" as you are doing, which as you correctly say only shows its volume.
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2004.01.03 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sabahl on 03/01/2004 19:12:07 Lets make it even easier to understand...
This is a 1 run BPC as seen when you click View Merchandise in the Escrow window...
http://www.sff.net/people/fox/eve/Tempest1Run.jpg
As you can see, under the BPRuns column it says 1, indicating the number of runs for this BPC.
The following is an infinite BPC... http://www.sff.net/people/fox/eve/EMPMInfinite.jpg
This has a "-1" in the BPRuns column.
The final BP type is the zero run SCAM! Look very carefully at this one, posted onto escrow by Ganja (he of the small member).
http://www.sff.net/people/fox/eve/ApocalypseScam.jpg
The "-" in the BPRuns column indicates zero runs left and thus no manufacturing capability. It is complete junk and no doubt CCP will remove them shortly but while they can be escrowed you need to make sure you don't accidentally buy one.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2004.01.03 15:39:00 -
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This is absolutely one of the best features with Castor. Escrow pretty much rocks!
Good post Morkt!
I hope people will read and learn.
Also they now can see in info the mineral reqs aso so you don't need to ask the seller all them questions now. Read and buy. |
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2004.01.04 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Grizwold on 04/01/2004 00:13:00 If I had known about this stretch factor....I would have saved 72m due to bogus BP.
Great post...just a little late for me..:(
thanks
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.01.04 02:48:00 -
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I was about to abandon the escrow system as a failure because of scams.....but now I see that it isn't, why didn't I notice this simple thing as to resize the ******* window?
Great tip Morkt
"No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..." |
Jideo
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Posted - 2004.01.04 03:02:00 -
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So a -1 BPRUNS indicate infinite or original? Anyway to tell the difference between the two?
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Pr1vate Ryan
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Posted - 2004.01.04 06:13:00 -
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Not too sure myself either Jideo, I bought an infinite run off the escrow market and it deff showed a -1 in the number of runs coloum.
Don't think i've ever seen an original on escrow, if anyone has, let us know please!!!!
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2004.01.04 07:24:00 -
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I just did a test. Original BPs and infinite run BPCs both say "-1" in the BRUNS column. There appears to beno way to distinguish between them. This will not be a problem if CCP ever carry out their threat of making all infintie BPCs into max run BPCs, but I am not going to hold my breath on that one.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2004.01.04 18:17:00 -
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Quote: The final BP type is the zero run SCAM! Look very carefully at this one, posted onto escrow by Ganja (he of the small member).
harrrr..
Anyway, its good to finally see a sticky or something informing people.
Ty's for the thread morky!
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:14:00 -
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Quote: Not too sure myself either Jideo, I bought an infinite run off the escrow market and it deff showed a -1 in the number of runs coloum.
Don't think i've ever seen an original on escrow, if anyone has, let us know please!!!!
I got my scorp original from BIG through escrow.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:20:00 -
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scorp original, hmmmmmmmm
*dribbles
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.07 15:05:00 -
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Check yourself with an original BP, there is actually no way to distinguish it from a 0 Run BPC, you really need to trust the seller on this or not buy it at all. Originals BPs display a "-" exactly like a 0 Run BP, which is a problem if you want to sell researched originals BPs.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 06:54:00 -
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Quote: Check yourself with an original BP, there is actually no way to distinguish it from a 0 Run BPC, you really need to trust the seller on this or not buy it at all. Originals BPs display a "-" exactly like a 0 Run BP, which is a problem if you want to sell researched originals BPs.
Your information is somewhat incorrect - let me explain:
An unlimited BCP will always display "-1" Runs remaining.
A "used" original BP will always display "-1" runs remaining.
A totally fresh, "unopened", BP will always display "-" for Runs remaining and obviosuly Me and Pe also (it hasnt been used at all and still has the number at the bottom right hand corner)
This is an issue that needs resolving and isnt covered by the current Escrow system - it is possible to scam a Me0 Pe0 0-run BPC as being a totally unreserched "unopened" original BP.
The KEY therefore is only to buy RESEARCHED BPs and BPCs.
Remember though - an unopened "fresh" BP CAN be sold on the market as normal and should NOT be sold via escrow. Any and all such sales are suspect in anycase simply because their sale via the normal market is a far easier method.
Once again , avoiding scams is simply a case of paying attention to the details and clear presentation of exact information.
Falbala thanks for raising this aspect of "fresh" BPs and i hope you dont mind my clarification of the issue and distinguishing between "unused, fresh" BPs and used but unresearched BPs (or BPCs).
For those confused:
If it is Me- Pe- and Runs - then it should be sold via the market. DO NOT trust that any such Escrows are legtitmate. Eve-mail the seller and tell them to palce the item on the normal market, if they cannot then they are scamming you.
If the BP has been used in ANY WAY (used to produce, placed into a research lab and ejected or a factory and ejected, then it will display runs -1).
I hope this helps.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.08 11:22:00 -
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Thank you for clearing that out, I only tried with a fresh BP. However I did buy an unlimited copies Maulus BPC, which displayed a -1 for the number of run, so there is still the possibility that an unlimited BPC is sold for an original.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:05:00 -
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Quote: However I did buy an unlimited copies Maulus BPC, which displayed a -1 for the number of run, so there is still the possibility that an unlimited BPC is sold for an original.
Yup absolutely true.
In my mind though the Escrow serive is ther e to support single run or very limited run sales of BPCs.
I would not use it to buy any other form of BPC, it simply isnt worth the risk, do it by direct trade.
No system is perfect and any system can be scammed - the idea with this thread is so that people can arm themselves with the facts on all different possibly escrow displays for BPCs.
For the sale of limited run BPCs it is an excellent system.
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Freezer
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:54:00 -
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Missing something here. Where do I find this Escrow?
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:40:00 -
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From the Missions button in a station.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.01.12 14:58:00 -
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When ever I try to put something in escrow I cant view it from the escrow screen. Only way I can see it is when I show escrow I made. I do not place a name in the field and I see it is Availble to all. What am I missing? --------------------------
Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Guddah
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Posted - 2004.01.12 15:29:00 -
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Though it is a fine system, I have noticed a few subtle bugs with escrow.
1. Often times you cannot see an escrow left for you by someone else on the "show all" or "show all in region" options, and you must go to the station to see it, using "show all at this station".
The reason, I believe, is though you may choose "show all" you will not see every escrow mission that is out there- the list would be severe now that people are using it more often. For instance, if I want to see whats on escrow at Yulai while I'm in Lonetrek somewherez, I cant just select "show all". The Yulai system escrow alone is HuGe, and it typically doesnt show you Yulai or Luminaire escrows under "show all" unless you are in those systems.
2. After I make one escrow mission, I can't seem to make another one until I either exit the mission panel and re-enter it, or click the show escrow tab- then go back to enter items into escrow. Subtle, workable, but annoying.
*Tips- to enter multiple items into escrow with one mission hold ctrl and click each item you want to place into that single escrow mssion.
When you right click to "inspect merchandise" make sure you click to inspect it, not claim it. The buttons are really close together, and I for one do not want someone's shiny new pod for 100mil. Besides, you'll never be able to admit how stupid you were to anyone else.
Escrow is a great tool to leave a friend items at a station (minerals, guns, ships, whatev), but clarify to them which station they are at (so they can find it) - and make sure you leave it to their exact name - dont want "Tank Ce0" picking up some Battle gear on escrow that was intended to help Tank CEO kill my indy.
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The Vicker
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:48:00 -
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errrm to tell if BP is orig or not.
Step 1, Right Click on BP Select "show info" Step 2, Read it will have a line where it says "Copy" the value will be either "yes" or "no"
To see if its an unlimited copy it will say
Copy Yes Licensed Preoduction Runs Remaining "unlimited"
Hope this helps you
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Siphol Kalarth
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Posted - 2004.02.06 09:58:00 -
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You cannot see this info when checking in an escrow. It simply states that it's volume is 0.01m3
You only see the full info from a trade window or if it's in your hanger/ship.
I keep faith, it's only what I believe in that changes.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.08 22:36:00 -
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Quote: errrm to tell if BP is orig or not.
Step 1, Right Click on BP Select "show info" Step 2, Read it will have a line where it says "Copy" the value will be either "yes" or "no"
To see if its an unlimited copy it will say
Copy Yes Licensed Preoduction Runs Remaining "unlimited"
Hope this helps you
vicker
Quote: You cannot see this info when checking in an escrow. It simply states that it's volume is 0.01m3
You only see the full info from a trade window or if it's in your hanger/ship.
Please both read the thread. You both need to.
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.02.09 21:05:00 -
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Things seemed to have changed now...
Easy to spot runs and exhausted ones dont even show now!!
But unlimited and originals now both show as original..
Nem
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