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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:15:00 -
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This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0.
People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this.
I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time)
2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0
3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking.
4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had!
In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!!
Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!!
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:17:00 -
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First!
Wtf are crafters!? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:19:00 -
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Even as a dedicated Carebear I think you are wrong.
You are not "safe" anywhere, but in high sec there are ranmifications to doing something.
Simple: You don't have to sell in Jita. Somehow I think that trying to convince CCP to make the laggiest, overloaded system in the game safer and hence moreso will fail. If you aren't safe enough in Jita, sell in Perimeter or New Caldari or Sobeski.
The potential of danger needs to exist or the game will go stale. <-----------> Keiron: Quote on PvE/PvP
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 17:15:31
Originally by: Fswd First!
Wtf are crafters!?
SiJira, is that you? And to answer your question, manufacturers.
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Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:21:00 -
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C'mon dimmak, post your hauler loss so we can all see what this whine is about.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:21:00 -
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Awwww gosh? -----
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:25:00 -
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Never going to happen. Go ahead and quit Eve, or learn to deal with it like everybody else.
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:26:00 -
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crafters = people who build stuff! sorry man really didnt think thats the 1st thing people would flame goes to show you!!!
Originally by: The potential of danger needs to exist or the game will go stale.[/quote
The potential for danger is there thats the whole point goto 0.5 and below for the danger. nothing would go stale at all. there is more low sec space and 0.0 space than there is empire! go explore i can still go 15 jumps in drone space and not see anyone, cause all the SO called pvpers are ganking in empire!!!
The gank squads can not loose they only hit where there is a profit making the suicide squads more profitable than building ships and moving them to popular trade zones!
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dimmak Long on 06/05/2007 17:25:29
Originally by: Kaar C'mon dimmak, post your hauler loss so we can all see what this whine is about.
ive not lost a hauler kaar i live down in 0-w i pvp only.. ive been fighting cow long enough to your name :-)
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:29:00 -
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No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
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Epicurus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:29:00 -
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I have to agree. CCP pride themselves on Eve being able to emulate aspects of RL.. Player run markets and so on.. In RL would would not walk into a bank that had 10 coppers sat outside and demand ú1million and expect to get away with it. In Eve all thats going to happen is that you lost your ship, and if you have picked the right target then your quids in. The guy in his hauler/freighter will get his isk back from his ship loss but not for his cargo. If you want to gank people in high sec then there should be a penalty to pay other than losing your ship. I know of people that have been lost 3-4 bil worth of BPO's coz thier hauler has not been quick off the mark.
CCP need to re-think "safe space" and concord. Gankers will moan at this coz they dont want the risk but want all the reward.. Privateers, love them or hate them but atleast they take the risk with the reward..
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there
lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!! its a common english word used to mean making items!! Fswd stop before you make your self look even dumber!
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Morrath
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dimmak Long This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0.
People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this.
I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time)
2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0
3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking.
4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had!
In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!!
Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!!
Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
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The Recharger
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:33:00 -
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Players should stop putting hundreds of millions in a single hauler and go afk, last week I made 1 billion isk killing 3 haulers around jita. As long people think they are safe like that, there will be players taking advantages of them.
I'll give you some tips that will actualy prevent you from getting ganked.
Most haulers I gank, are because they dont have any form of a tank. Most haulers have atleast 3 mid slots and 2 low slots. And more mid and high slots on the better type haulers.
A badger II for example has enough mid slots (6) to make for an awesome tank, 3 medium shield extenders pimp your shields to just over 3k. Then there is 3 remaining high slots for heat, kinetic and em shield amplifier. Greatly increasing your survivability against ganks.
An iteron mkV is even better, 3 medium shield extenders, 2 shield amplifiers and take 2 of the low slots of adaptive nano's. Most stupid people fit 5 t2 cargo expanders and 3 cargo optimalisation rigs and forget about tank, well I gladly will attempt to kill those. Now your at it, once you can fly a iteron mkV you can also fly a viator transport ships with an even better tank. Its people cheapness also that gets them killed.
Second most important thing is, never go afk with a couple hundred million stashed in your hauler. Some time ago I had a hauler afking to a gate with gallente encryption methods in his cargo, rougly 150 mill, no tank at around 10km or so away from the gate I gladly took him down and made a nice profit on the item.
I tell you this, most ganks that happen are the fault of the lazzynes or ingorance of the hauler pilot himself not the lameness of the ganker. They just exsist because the possibility for them is there. CCP doesn't need to do anything, people need to stop being lazy.
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heheheh
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:34:00 -
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Quote: 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp
I stopped reading here, you obviously dont know what you are talking about, PVP should and will occur anywhere in space. If you dont like it, This is not the game for you.
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:36:00 -
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Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic!
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Epicurus
CCP need to re-think "safe space" and concord. Gankers will moan at this coz they dont want the risk but want all the reward.. Privateers, love them or hate them but atleast they take the risk with the reward..
So what is "Safe Space" ? CCP have never ever said there is such a thing, its only in your imagination.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dimmak Long
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Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic!
WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in. --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Fswd WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in.
OP, this tool sort of has a point. Sort of.
But anyways, best thing to do right now is to make if harder for the gankers. And there are most likely ways to acheive that without firing a shot and risking sec status.
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Fswd
Originally by: Dimmak Long
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Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic!
WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in.
whats your fixation on WOW i have never played the game never intend to, and you carnt tell me that making 0.5+ safer is making this game like WOW..... Asherons call and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp, with the ganking thats going on that boundry is slipping away fast! getting to the point where the will be no need for concord at all just make the whole game pvp and watch how the economy crashes.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:03:00 -
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Then dont go to jita --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
Morrath
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dimmak Long
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Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic!
Lol, Im just teasing you Dim.
Your argument does have a legitament **** with point #3 of your OP. Especially, when insurance is given out to the gankers from being concorded.
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Kesh McCall
Caldari Malkalen Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dimmak Long
Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there
lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!!
Ultima online anyone ? |
JADE DRAG0NESS
Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:18:00 -
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I love real world anologys applied to a badly designed game like this .
I walk down a street in my home citys shoping centre and i decide i want to murder a child [Newbie]. So i stand next to some policemen and drop a ú10 note and walk a short distance away. A short while later a chile walks bye sees the ú10 and picks it up. Now i can kill him. I do and then i clamly walk by the police laughing while they eat there doenuts.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dimmak Long This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0.
People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this.
I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time)
2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0
3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking.
4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had!
In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!!
Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!!
As so many people before me have told you, you agree to PvP the same second you you log in. This is a PvP game. That is how it have been. That is how it is. And that is how it will stay in the future.
For further reference: PvP does not only mean battle! PvP means anything that is a relation with other players: One player make stuff, sell it on the market. Some People buy it. PvP. Other tries to take up competition, sells product cheaper. PvP. Some others are trying to become owner of the whole market, starts podding the people who make the stuff, making it difficult for them to make stuff, so the looser ends with no product to sell on market. The winner owns the market. PvP. Then ofcource the pirates kills traders at trade hubs. Lot of value there. PvP. SOme other pirates roam low sec. PvP. Miners try to mine and build stuff, but are constantly shot down or outmined by a different corporation/alliance. PvP. Trade scams? PvP. Corp Theft? PvP. Building a deep space home. PvP.
In everything you do in EVE: you find PvP. Why? Because there are no NPC interference, except in Empire. But that you can buy your way around by declaring a war on a corporation. But ofcource, you can always take the hit, and go for a kill anyay. Because as in real life, the police comes after the crime is done.
EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it.
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it.
Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:32:00 -
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PvP, ganking w/e you want to call it is everywhere and I hope it stays that way. Having non PvP space stinks of games like WoW. Being ganked anywhere and not being safe is part of what EVE is about. If you don't like it why are you playing ?
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:42:00 -
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Lets see if I can put it this way.
You spot jewelry in a nearby car. The driver of the car is asleep. Its the middle of the city so there are cops around. You and a few friends decide you like the jewelry and hate the driver so you grab a few AK-47s and blow the car to bits. The police promptly arrive and blow your brains out.
But the car is still dead. A seemingly innocent bystander reaches in and takes the loot and runs off.
This is high sec ganking. Except in eve you can come back to life. Most of the time the police can't stop a murder-suicide and eve is no different.
This is why we have what are called "Sec status hits."
Now to the OP and anyone who sympathizes, eve is as real as it gets. The second you step out of a building onto the street you can be mugged or even shot. Once you undock, you are no longer safe.
Although I do agree its bad they get insurance.
And by the way I have a healthy respect for high sec gankers. They at least think outside the box. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica |
Sergis
Caldari Life Extermination Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:45:00 -
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Where else do we get our money to fight the real PVPers hehe, I'm sorry man but if you can't take it go join WOW or Maple Story. --- http://www.freewebs.com/brodieslife/Gin%20Rummy%20Boondocks.jpg |
Sergis
Caldari Life Extermination Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:47:00 -
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Read the Alliance name --- http://www.freewebs.com/brodieslife/Gin%20Rummy%20Boondocks.jpg |
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