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Epicurus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:52:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
I love real world anologys applied to a badly designed game like this  .
I walk down a street in my home citys shoping centre and i decide i want to murder a child [Newbie]. .
humm.. bad call mate.. regardless of how your see a newbie, they way you discribe this is out of order buddy.. not cool
The point being made is that you expect a higher degree of safty in 0.5 to 1.0 that is currenlty being deployed. Its all too easy for ganker. No risk, all reward...
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Jubar
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:52:00 -
[32]
ermm, those criminals can't come back alive via clone.
you want it to be like you said, take ouot clones
can't compare it to real life, because you can't come back to life.
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JourneymanDave
devastation mining inc
Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:49:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Epicurus
If you want to gank people in high sec then there should be a penalty to pay other than losing your ship.
Hmm, like a security rating penalty, so that repeat offenders could no longer enter secure space. Oh wait...
Yah, the problem isn't particularly that there's not a suitable penalty, it's moreso that there are ways of easily circumventing it with freely-available alt and trial accounts. The security rating penalty is fine as it is, let's work on the loopholes, shall we?
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:56:00 -
[34]
Insurance people, insurance.
Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void. 
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:13:00 -
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The problem is not the freedom of being able to attack others, or "do as you like" anywhere in EVE, its the lack of reprocussions. Maybe if CONCORD detained suicide gankers for 24 hours after the incident in their station (ie: temporary character ban from the game) people would only use suicide gankings when necessary.
As it stands, the whole "well, you lose your ship, and thats punishment enough" nonsense is not satisfactory for this problem. Maybe CONCORD should pod gankers, or atleast, gank their security to -10. Gankers are the equivalent of terrorists in game, you think the police will just let this person walk out the door and back into another vehicle?
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:22:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sergis
Where else do we get our money to fight the real PVPers hehe, I'm sorry man but if you can't take it go join WOW or Maple Story.
Whats with all the coments about if you carnt take it join wow or quit etc.!!! we can take we are taking and giving it as well :-)
This is what you call a topic of converstation! some of you really do have issues with not been able to just have a simple chat and a point of view!!
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:27:00 -
[37]
Originally by: The Pointless
Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 19:56:39
Insurance people, insurance.
Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void.
(Not my idea)
Excellent and straight forward sollution tehy will still be able to earn however!
i think simple concord jammer turrets at the gates would possibly do it.
you ahve to pay concord to start a war! this should be forced to be used more tehn if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them!
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:29:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Dimmak Long
Originally by: The Pointless
Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 19:56:39
Insurance people, insurance.
Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void.
(Not my idea)
Excellent and straight forward sollution tehy will still be able to earn however!
i think simple concord jammer turrets at the gates would possibly do it.
you ahve to pay concord to start a war! this should be forced to be used more tehn if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them!
Another idea which could go alongside the insurance one would be to make CONCORD spank harder.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:31:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dimmak Long
.....and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp....
Errrr, comparing to SWG while suggesting a fundemental change to some of the things that define Eve at it's core.....is not a way to help your arguement.
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:41:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Siege
Originally by: Dimmak Long
.....and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp....
Errrr, comparing to SWG while suggesting a fundemental change to some of the things that define Eve at it's core.....is not a way to help your arguement.
think your over doing doing it!! ganking freighters in jita is a fundemental thing that defines eve.. i ahve to disagree..... really now dont get carried away there is no possitive thing about cominting suicide and making profit from it!!!! if ccp had set an insurance repayment to high and you could make money from blowing up your ship it would soon get changed!!!
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:28:00 -
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Eve is about pvp. Non consentual if need be. High sec in itself is an aberration to the concept of eve. No pvp zones, no pvp flags. If you undock or leave pos shields, everything is fair game...
Empire was added to be a newbie playing field, and it's implementation is very good. No one wants to waste isk to gank new players, but older players are fair game, as long as you pay the price of losing your ship...
Still, if you only want to trade, try blocade runners, or fitting wcs. There is no way of holding someone down in empire, since bubbles are not deployble in empire...
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Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:07:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dimmak Long
if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them!
You can't wardeck them when they hide in NPC corps! Therefore, they get suicided, because it's the only tactic left.
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Dimmak Long
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:35:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Ash Vincetti
Originally by: Dimmak Long
if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them!
You can't wardeck them when they hide in NPC corps! Therefore, they get suicided, because it's the only tactic left.
Well it has been suggested noob corps should be nerfed as thats where the isk selling miners live........ after 1 month you have to find a real corp etc or make your own.
And no war dec is under used feature!
Also you know fine well there are people been ganked if there in a corp or noob corp they dont care who they hit!
just as i dont if i see some one come through my gate camp if there not friendly they die! or do trying :-)
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Bright New Dawn
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:09:00 -
[44]
I have no problem with being ganked just as long as its avoidable. But i just find the penalty system for high sec ganking with ganking alts a bit wrong.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:20:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it.
Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing.
Nowhere is meant for greifing,
everywhere is meant for PVP.
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Hunlight Faithus
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:35:00 -
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right i seen this a few tiems this time i will comment yes ccp needs ot do soemthing about it but if a perosn wnats to take a risk they can. second would people stop flaming carebears, think about if it wern't for them there would be a lack fo ships and ammo and just about everything, it is damn stupid haing a go at care bears they can pkay how they want and should be allowed so STFU AND GO BACK TO 0.0 ( note i fly in 0.0 sometimes before flaming me about been a carebear)
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Hunlight Faithus
right i seen this a few tiems this time i will comment yes ccp needs ot do soemthing about it but if a perosn wnats to take a risk they can. second would people stop flaming carebears, think about if it wern't for them there would be a lack fo ships and ammo and just about everything, it is damn stupid haing a go at care bears they can pkay how they want and should be allowed so STFU AND GO BACK TO 0.0 ( note i fly in 0.0 sometimes before flaming me about been a carebear)
This post in itself is full justification for carebear flaming.
In fact its SOOO bad i suspect its a spoof
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.07 01:35:00 -
[48]
anyone thinking concord doesnt need to be remade in a new way has their eyes blinded with the isk they get off looting
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SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:45:00 -
[49]
Edited by: SumDum on 07/05/2007 02:42:08
must ... resist ... the urge to ....
Nope, can't do it must post: Last 10 posts by OP
Post with your main about this sort of stuff, that way people can experience in-game the proper amount of greifing for being such a carebear.
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Cipher7
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 03:58:00 -
[50]
Every store has to deal with "shrinkage" (loss.)
You put 50 cans of cookies on the shelf, 48 cans get sold, the shelf is empty.
You calculate the price of the cookies to account for the loss.
Its part of any business.
Also part of business is that other vendors will interdict your shipment of goods, to set their prices higher.
Eve is a PVP game, and that PVP is economic and industrial in addition to military.
And I think carebears should stop calling themselves "crafters."
Where I'm from, everybody mines, everybody builds, everybody fights.
If you ask me, highsec sucks and anybody who is past 1-2 months should get the heck out of highsec.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:05:00 -
[51]
crafters??? imao
mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you
Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe
ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:07:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Cipher7
Where I'm from, everybody mines, everybody builds, everybody fights.
where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place
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Misanth
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:27:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Misanth on 07/05/2007 04:24:55
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it.
Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing.
Because it's incredibly boring pvp in 0.0? Everyone and their mother blobcamp the bottlenecks and the only 1 vs 1's you get is when you jump into your recon.
Best PvP I had the last 2 months was when me and a friend jumped to Jita, bought a destroyer each, insured it at max and warped around - found a single target, nuked him down, lost our ships and after insurance payed off I think we ended up at -100k isk each. Of course we could've looted the guy but we were just after the gank, out of boredom of lousy 0.0 pvp and our high sec standing after millions of dead npc rats.
I understand it's not fun for the traders and manufacturers to lose expensive stuff but why the hell are they not docked for?
I understand it's not fun to be ganked but why the hell do you sit afk in space for when this game allows people to gank you?
I'm not saying it's ok to be a bastard because the game allows you to be one. I'm saying it's ok to be a bastard as this game expects you to (ab)use systems to your favour. In this case I was bored, I knew I would lose my ship but I also knew I would get a funny gank. The AFK'ed guy knew this could happen but he preferred to sit in space rather than docking or having a tank/defence.
Who's to blame? This is the reality of EvE. It's so simple to avoid it.. do not undock if you are trading! Do not AFK in space! Do not fly around without tank or defence (every miner already knows this). Noone forces you to sell stuff in Jita.
There is no safe space. Just more or less dangerous. Don't fly stuff you can't afford to lose.
Ah I repeated myself so much now.. think the point have gone through.
And unless the blobwars are fixed, people will be bored and looking for ganks as there is no real small-gang pvp anymore. Give us freedom and option to roam around with 1-3 ship and fight 1-3 ships and there will most likely be alot less ganking. Simple, isn't it?
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Ava Luvlidai
Antipodean inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:28:00 -
[54]
Yes, let's make highsec even safer until our brains eventually turn into mush.
I haven't been on either side of the high-sec gank before, and while I'm partial to the piratey side of Eve  I think the owness to change is on two parties:
1) The hauler - fit a tank on ship why don't you?
2) CCP - Any illegal ship aggression in highsec (0.5-1.0) should void any insurance on said ship.
Eve should not be about the lowest common denominator in intelligence. Just because someone outsmarted you (which includes using more damage than your tank can sustain before Concord prevails) doesn't mean the rules should be changed.
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Cipher7
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:44:00 -
[55]
Originally by: SiJira
where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place
You're right.
It's much more efficient to get ganked and whine about it.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.07 04:45:00 -
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You carebears posting whines about high sec ganking with your alts make carebears like me look bad.
I stick to high sec. I don't care if you suicide gank me. I think it would be funny.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.07 05:19:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: SiJira
where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place
You're right.
It's much more efficient to get ganked and whine about it.
no - its more efficient to be structured where some are superior at building some are superior at mining and others are superior at missioning
everyone can chip in to pvp with those who are superior at pvping by use of small things like tacklers and such
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tonkin on 07/05/2007 05:19:43
now talking about that about 1.0 - 0.5
1.0 should have a 1 secound delay for concord
0.9 10secounds
0.8 20secounds
0.7 30secounds etc
make actual high sec values mean something, it would stop the pwning in 1.0
but if you delay concord due to the security system or actual decrease the size of the fleet so you can last longer (you still die) will give a new meaning to how risky high sec could be.
i dont understand why the hell frieghters go afk or unescorted around high sec empire, you know the risk ffs, why moan about you got owned end off you lost loads of stuff part of the game mechanics.
unless ccp give in and disable activation guns in high sec, and which will not suprise me if they do that.
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LordChaos
Amarr
Purple Monkey Squadron
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Posted - 2007.05.07 05:23:00 -
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i say all these suicide gankers are a bunch of exploiters of game mechanics. bunch of noobs want the easy way out. "i dont have the balls to pirate in low sec"
as advice for all you producers ....... screw jita go somewhere else or if u have a 2nd a/c scout with it before u jump in, and try not to go afk alot.
i will go back to ganking pirates in low sec alot of fun.............. cant see the fun in ganking frieghters in high sec with 50 domis.
The Master Of Chaos
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 05:27:00 -
[60]
Originally by: LordChaos
i say all these suicide gankers are a bunch of exploiters of game mechanics. bunch of noobs want the easy way out. "i dont have the balls to pirate in low sec"
as advice for all you producers ....... screw jita go somewhere else or if u have a 2nd a/c scout with it before u jump in, and try not to go afk alot.
i will go back to ganking pirates in low sec alot of fun.............. cant see the fun in ganking frieghters in high sec with 50 domis.
dont have the balls to attack in low sec, mate low sec killing is easy less risk compared to high sec ganking.
lol theres a risk that all the good stuff dies with the ship you killed and that insuracne money you have wasted, to be honest in past ive ganked peeps with smartbombs because i felt like it.
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