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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:32:00 -
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could we get some real numbers:
not all have acces to all those magic killboards...
so plz do it like this.
bob and co.
130 bs 120 blah blah
The coalition
120 bs 130 blah blah
would this be posible ?
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Radeberger
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:36:00 -
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no
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Karunel
Princeps Corp YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:37:00 -
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Go to bob's killboard? ____
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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BOBHOPE
Black Omega Security GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel Go to bob's killboard?
you will need to consolidate data from all killboards of parties involved.
a momentous task and something of a near impossibility considering some corps do it behind the scenes and are hard to verify......
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:08:00 -
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Its really difficult to tell. The only way would be if someone made an automatic killboard parser that combined the kills from all sides' killboards into a single database.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 06/05/2007 21:07:43 It would also be great, if less people used killboards based on the old eve-killboard.net source code, which unfortunately becomes hideously slow, if too many people are accessing it.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Its really difficult to tell. The only way would be if someone made an automatic killboard parser that combined the kills from all sides' killboards into a single database.
I thought some KB models have that option built in? ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:23:00 -
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Well, if u go to the killboards of the different parties, you will see that BOB have a fantastic kill/death ratio.
Do the same with the AAA kb, and u'll see another fantastic kill/death ratio, same with Red Alliance and many other entities. Both on the Coalition and BOB side.
I mean, LV prolly also had a fantastic kill/death ratio according to their boards and they still lost.
Bottom line is, killboards doesnt create a clear picture of the progress of this war ..so far.
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crudhunch
Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:55:00 -
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Well, a big problem is like this:
Gang of 60 coalition vs. 60 Allies.
6 Alliances on both sides making up the gang.
If IĘd blown up then I show up on 6 different alliances KB as a kill, even if I killed 3 different pilots in 3 different alliances half show a loss for my kill.
So on CORE KB I show 3 kills and one death for the engagement. If members of all six alliances shot at me, then I show up as a kill on all 6 alliances KB while half show a loss to me.
Lol, perhaps someone a little less tiered could explain it better, but if you follow it is really hard to find the real numbers because of so many duplicate KMs on so many different KBs.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:00:00 -
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1) not everyone posts losses 2) in a long fight its hard to get a good overview of size and location of forces 3) objective reports do not exist
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz 1) not everyone posts losses
But everyone posts kills, so you can use that to your advantage when collecting losses/kills
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Well, if u go to the killboards of the different parties, you will see that BOB have a fantastic kill/death ratio.
Do the same with the AAA kb, and u'll see another fantastic kill/death ratio, same with Red Alliance and many other entities. Both on the Coalition and BOB side.
I mean, LV prolly also had a fantastic kill/death ratio according to their boards and they still lost.
Bottom line is, killboards doesnt create a clear picture of the progress of this war ..so far.
Part of the reason for this is that if alliance A, B, C, and D fight together, they get ALL the kills against alliance E, F, G, and H, since they're all on the killmails. Lets say the kill ratio in that battle was 1:1, and each alliance did 1/4 of the kills and losses.
This would mean that Alliance A would appear to have a 4:1 kill ratio, as would B, C, and D, since the kills are duplicated on each board but the losses are not shared.
This built-in distortion ruins the ability of killboards to determine the course of a war when multiple alliances are involved on both sides.
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Kelter Highfire
Caldari AirHawk Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:35:00 -
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The only accurate way to make this happen would be to have everyone post to a central killboard that would keep track of the overall progress in kills/deaths in the war. The fact that both sides are multi-factional would lead to each kill being posted on multiple killboards (which has been explained above). Its kinda unfortunate, but thats the state of the matter when killboards are totally honor-system based for posting your losses.
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Sjoep enLai
Azure Horizon Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:49:00 -
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It could work if the major killboards calculated the points given out for a kill based on the percentage of pilots the killboard owning corp/alliance contributes to the gang in the kill mail. If 4 members of Alliance A and two members of alliance B are in the gang, A would get 0.66 killpoints per kill on it's killboard and Alliance B would get 0.33 killpoints per kill on B's killboard. That way we wouldn't have double counts.
Although this is not 100% accurate because not all involved make it to the killmail, it would give more accurate stats than the current system. It would also make it possible to determine a bit better what alliance in a coalition is performing better than others.
If the Alliances/corps are man/woman enough to show their real accomplishments, that is ;)
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anglo could we get some real numbers:
not all have acces to all those magic killboards...
Are you having an argument with some of your friends or something?
Even if I was to tell you as a spectator the actual ratios...that would still not give you an accurate picture. Territory is more important than a few BS kills. As with territory you can rebuild
Fact is...MC are doing rather well in the north with -Y- alongside them.
That should be of more use to you than killboard stats Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:28:00 -
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The thing to remember when viewing bob's killboards is this: Their killboard summarizes everything based on battleship kills/losses. But bob use mostly t2 cruisers and ceptors. So bob always look like they win against a bs fleet, even though they may have lost as many hac's as the other side lost bs's.
Shamis
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Zrevak Ashek
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.07 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The thing to remember when viewing bob's killboards is this: Their killboard summarizes everything based on battleship kills/losses. But bob use mostly t2 cruisers and ceptors. So bob always look like they win against a bs fleet, even though they may have lost as many hac's as the other side lost bs's.
Shamis
Thats not entirely true. They are very good at keeping their bs's alive. When theres a big fleet battle, their bs's is pretty damned good at speeding up to alignment and warp out if they get targeted. They dont wait around until they take a hit or two when called primary...they instead warp out immideately, then warp back into the fight at t2 sniper range. Enemy Fc's usually dont spot this. The trick to get BOB bs's is to allways change primaries when one of their bs's comes back into battle. Catch it before it gets back into alignment. rince, repeat..
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Well, if u go to the killboards of the different parties, you will see that BOB have a fantastic kill/death ratio.
Do the same with the AAA kb, and u'll see another fantastic kill/death ratio, same with Red Alliance and many other entities. Both on the Coalition and BOB side.
I mean, LV prolly also had a fantastic kill/death ratio according to their boards and they still lost.
Bottom line is, killboards doesnt create a clear picture of the progress of this war ..so far.
It's when you get a fantastic ratio on the enemies killboard that you know you're doing well :E
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SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: SumDum on 07/05/2007 02:59:59 I have never understood why there is not a centralized, CCP in-game killboard. In-game mechanics tracks kills per hour and by day, sends you the killmail with the kill/loss why not just take it one step further and make one giant killboard.
I know some corps and alliances are worried about unintended intel gained from killboard information, some corps don't have public killboards at all. So make it an option either Corp/Alliance or personal to allow Concord to forward killmails to the CCP killboard or not.
People/corps/alliances could turn it on or off, I would say put a 24 hour timer on it or something so it can't be switched off in the heat of a battle that you are getting pwned in just to keep your k/d ratio inflated.
IMHO it would save a lot of people a lot more time to play Eve, than to bother messing with killmail posting, all the work that goes into maintaining one properly or paying someone isk to host one. I've never seen a good reason as to why we shouldn't have a CCP run, centralized killboard. Or is it the playerbase that is massively opposed to being unable to fudge their k/d ratio's.
Oh for the record, I think mine is about 0:120
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Eleese
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The thing to remember when viewing bob's killboards is this: Their killboard summarizes everything based on battleship kills/losses. But bob use mostly t2 cruisers and ceptors. So bob always look like they win against a bs fleet, even though they may have lost as many hac's as the other side lost bs's.
Shamis
But the daily totals breakdown page is kinda cool :)
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Destruct
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:36:00 -
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I believe there is an initiative aiming at collecting all kills in one db.
http://eve-kill.net/
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct I believe there is an initiative aiming at collecting all kills in one db.
http://eve-kill.net/
It'd be nice if CCP could direct all ship killmails to a central database, no need to display mods/locations - names and shiptypes would do it tbh.
Then periodically release it as they did system data, or point it to a webpage.
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Scrutt5
Profiteers of War CUTTHROATS OF THE DARK SKIES
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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:50:00 -
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According to the recorded and published Dev Blog, big changes are happening to killmails and stats will in future be attached to your char sheet in some way.
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schawo
Gallente The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.07 11:32:00 -
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a simple solution would be, if a killboard could show statistics finalblows vs losses
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LancerSix
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:13:00 -
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Ask anyone actually involved in the fight, kills and deaths don't matter. The numbers are totally irrelevant. You can DD an entire GOON fleet and hurt them less than popping one BoB BS. Quality over quantity, KB's never accurately portray how much pilot SKILL you take off the battlefield, thats what really matters.
Plus theres the whole bit about objectives, you could lose 100 ships more than your enemy taking out a POS, but you still won the battle. POSes don't get postable killmails.
If you truly want an accurate look at how things are going, you should be asking who holds what systems. Unless of course your just a trolling alt. Then I just typed all that for no reason. Ohh well.
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Mekova
Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.07 12:23:00 -
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This would be solved if CCP would just add a page to the parts of the eve-o site you have to log in for. All player kills/deaths are logged anyway so it isn't hard to make an overview for all players. However i'm not sure about the extra load on the web-servers & amount of internet traffic
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:40:00 -
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its not hard to figure out that bob isnt the ones losing 50+ bs a day since the war started. --
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 07/05/2007 13:46:54 Looking at the kill/death ratio of single alliances doesn't work anyway, when they are flying together with other alliances in fleets. The kills go into all killboards of your side, if you shoot the same targets, the losses only in your own.
Let's say 2 alliances fly together, a 10 people gang, 5 from each alliance. They get 10 kills, but all die later in a camp. That would be 10 kills, 10 losses for the gang, k/d ratio 1:1. On each alliance killboards, there will appear 10 kills, 5 losses, so k/d ratio for each alliance shows 2:1, which looks a lot better. Add a single pilot from a 3rd alliance to that fleet, who also made a shot on that 10 targets and it scores as a 10:1 k/d ratio for him and his alliance.
Of course, noone really cares about k/d ratios, more about efficency, but it's no different, since I'm quite sure that the whole value of a ship is added to each alliance board, even if it was killed by 5 different alliances. So a 1.5 bil carrier kill for a coalition might add up to 7.5 bil, because it's as 1.5 bil kill on each board and added to each alliance's efficiency statistics.
But this has been discussed already. The killboards needed to multiplicate a kill with your_involved_pilots/all_involved_pilots to get a more accurate picture for corp and alliance statistics. Wouldn't still be perfect, a corp of frig pilots is able to score a lot of big kills at low costs in fleets, leading to high efficiency, although they couldn't have made those kills on their own without the other bigger ships from another corp/alliance.
As long as there are no coalition killboards that extract their data from all boards, forget accurate statistics. Works only as long as an alliance fights on their own.
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Wild Rho
Amarr GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.07 13:51:00 -
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I dunno if it's just me but I find all this obsession with kill stats a little depressing.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho I dunno if it's just me but I find all this obsession with kill stats a little depressing.
A little? More like a lot.
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