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Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:53:00 -
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I'm only on my 2nd day playing EVE, but ive already subbed for a month via CC as i'm pretty impressed with it so far.
I played for a couple of months back in 07, didnt stick with it due to ( i think ) playing solo.
Anyway, i figured id give it another go so here i am.
Story so far? I did the combat tutorial, followed by the advanced combat tutorial which i just finished up so had 3/4 ships in my hangar and 1.5m isks which is ok for free i guess. Anyway after finishing it up i decided to go into the astroid belts and see if anyone wanted to fight, they didnt. I picked a fight anyway in my new shiney thrasher i was just given by the tutorial agent.
Turns out shooting people is bad
Got a warning flash up when i was orbiting at 500m and i activated my web on this guy, said i was commiting a criminal act, ok fair enough i thought considering i was about to violence this guys ship for no reason. So, web on, grouped gatling guns on and quickly removing this strangers shield, then armour and probably 60% of his hull strength when all my own shields, armour and hull suddenly went red and i promptly found myself in my pod with some 15min countdown along with a lot of angry ( yet really quite amusing ) shouting and name calling in the local channel lol
Also recieved a security status hit, so now im at -.14 whatever that means.
WTF?!
I thought EVE was all about PVP?
After reading these forums for the last hour ive since discovered being a bad person in any space from .5 upwards is punishable by the super op gods of carebear.
My questions are, i presume doing bad things in .4 and below space is ok and wont be met with aforementioned demi gods of space?
What about the systems that have a negative sec status? the ones such a -.3 or -6 ect, what is the difference between those and the systems upto .4?
Lastly, this time round playing EVE i want to play with other people like me, by that i mean people who like fighting other players instead of fighting NPC's, having a reason to or not. After reading the forums ive discovered such places are called coporations, but on looking into the recruitement section, it seems i'm no use to anybody until i get at least 10 million skill points, which i would guess is going to take a few months
So basically, is my next step just a matter of finding something to pass the time while my skills train up to an acceptable level to be deemed usefull to corps?
The thing is, i dont fancy shooting NPC's for a few months, but then again, the 1.5m isks i had is now down to 600k isks after replacing my shiney ( now dead ) thrasher and guns, so fighting people all the time isnt a financially possible without earning it elsewhere, namely shooting NPC's. Catch 22.
Is their any corps out there that take new players with less than 10m SP? I dont want hand holding, i would welcome some guidence from experienced players with regards to ships and fittings along with isk making possibilites to fund any PVP that im involved with ect.
Thanks for any advice
Rox |
Velicitia
Open Designs
285
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:17:00 -
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OK, in 1.0 to 0.5 (hisec) if you shoot someone, you will get a sec status hit, and CONCORD will spank you for being bad for up to 15 minutes (while your GCC counter is active). They're not to protect anyone, they're just there to punish people for shooting at each other without a good reason. Now if you flipped the miner's can (DO NOT do this in the starter systems, as it's considered "griefing"), he would be allowed to shoot you without CONCORD intervention. Assuming he decided to shoot at you for stealing his ore, you would then be allowed to shoot him without CONCORD intervention -- for up to 15 minutes (standard aggro timer).
In 0.4 to 0.1 (lowsec) you can shoot at anyone you want, and will receive a sec status hit and GCC flag. NOTHING will happen to you in lowsec for having a GCC. If you jump into hisec with the GCC, CONCORD will say hi.
In 0.0 to -1.0, you will not get GCC or a sec status hit.
Piracy is a viable way to make isk -- you just have to be smart about it (e.g. flip a can then ransom the miner if he shoots at you in hisec, or catching a hauler in lowsec doing PI or something). |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:25:00 -
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EVE is a competitive sandbox. There's PVP in damn near everything that goes on, but not always randomly run-up-shoot-random-person PVP.
You started out in high security space. You cannot shoot randoms without getting CONCORDed unless you have kill rights on them for some reason, or you're in a corporation war against them.
In lowsec, CONCORD doesn't exist, but sentry guns are around gates/stations. These can be tanked, but its' hard and not really doable in a small ship, but there's plenty of combat away from these areas.
In nullsec (security status <= 0), there are no protections, no limits aside from what players create for themselves.
Quote:Lastly, this time round playing EVE i want to play with other people like me, by that i mean people who like fighting other players instead of fighting NPC's, having a reason to or not. After reading the forums ive discovered such places are called coporations, but on looking into the recruitement section, it seems i'm no use to anybody until i get at least 10 million skill points, which i would guess is going to take a few months
This is true for many corps, but certainly not all. It's not that you're useless until you have 10M SP..It's that they don't want to teach people very basic game mechanics. You don't need SP to be useful, though - There are plenty of corps around that accept newer players, and a few that exist primarily to teach newbies.
There are a few good ways to jump into cheap PVP. The first is faction warfare - you can either sign up with one faction's militia directly or join a corp involved in it. Any ships in opposing factions' militias are now fair game anywhere, even in hisec (though if you enter their hisec you will be chased by the faction navy). No CONCORD, no sentry fire to deal with. It's like a corporation war. My own corp is involved in this with the Minmatar side.
If you join the militia (the NPC corp for faction warfare), things will be rather disorganized and there won't be a lot of trust due to the wide presence of spies. For more organized work you'd want to get into one of the faction warfare corps. I'd personally recommend this.
there's also Red vs Blue - two alliances in a permanent war in hisec that pretty much just exists as an easy way to shoot at things.
Quote:The thing is, i dont fancy shooting NPC's for a few months, but then again, the 1.5m isks i had is now down to 600k isks after replacing my shiney ( now dead ) thrasher and guns, so fighting people all the time isnt a financially possible without earning it elsewhere, namely shooting NPC's. Catch 22.
You are correct that fighting people all the time isn't really financially possible. PVP is not a moneymaker. There's a fair few ways to make decent money, though, and things like rifters and thrashers are pretty damn cheap. |
Easy Target
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:34:00 -
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Criminal Flagging is rather complicated, there is an eve-wiki thread on it here which should help.
If PvP is what you want then have a look on Battleclinic for some new player friendly PvP frigate setups and dive into low security and have a go.
You will lose a lot, but approach it logically and you will learn a lot too. Avoid combat on gates and stations as the sentry guns will very quickly obliterate you in a frigate
Also be aware that as your security status drops you will be locked out of higher security systems. So going to -5.0 which means you are classed as criminal and can be shot anywhere by anyone with no reprocussions for the agressor may not be a good idea on your first / only charactor. yes an alt with a days training for a bestower hauler will supply frigates to low sec for you, but think before you dive in. It is a lot easier to lose sec status than gain it. :) |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:32:00 -
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Thanks for the replys guys, very helpfull and encouraging!
I think im going to have to bite the NPC bullet to earn some isks until i have enough to cover the losses i'll no doubt rack up.
Regarding fighting in low and null sec ( as that comes with zero penalties excluding a countdown and gate guns ) are there many fights to be had for the smaller ships? Obviously im only going to be able to fly frig/dest/cruiser for the foreseable future so would i have a fighting chance or will i just be free kills to more experienced players? |
Leid Menmarke
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:13:00 -
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Greifer tears, best tears. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:28:00 -
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There is no GCC or gate guns in 0.0 / wh space :) All these silly timers are annoying, I'm glad not to have to deal with them, good luck finding a corp that does low sp pvp though, You can get into a tackler very quickly though and you seem to have the right attitude, often that's a good way to get into a good corp and have free ships for life ;) +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:59:00 -
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Good attitude for PVP. :)
What may have not been mentioned is to try to force others into PvP (even in high sec carebear land), or just tell them you going to zap them, is by declaring a war on a corporation. Then you can (try) to kill anyone in the war declared corp without any penalties, except getting shot back, of course. :)
You need a bit of money tough and a corporation (which you can set up your self) to do so.
Good luck and don't forget to have fun.
Ugh, edit 2 forgot the link: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/War_Declaration -- This is not even a damage control blog. This is just right-click > self-destruct. (Abdiel Kavash) |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:20:00 -
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Thanks again folks and for the links too :)
Having read a little more on these forums, im at the conclusion the fastest way of funding any fun is to buy a pilot license and sell it on the market for isks to use on ships and fittings, im right in saying that yes?
While im here, is shattered crystal the prefered seller for the licenses or is their a better ( read cheaper ) site that sells them?
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Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:04:00 -
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Shattered Crystal are indeed awesome. PLEX is fastest, but ISK doesn't buy skill or skillpoints, take care :P
Honestly if you're willing and able to get around in low-sec, even belt rats will give a nice chunk of isk for new frigates n cruisers. And you can get lucky kills/anomalies for nice items too. +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
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Leid Menmarke
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:29:00 -
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Spend as little money on EVE as possible. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:59:00 -
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Quote:Having read a little more on these forums, im at the conclusion the fastest way of funding any fun is to buy a pilot license and sell it on the market for isks to use on ships and fittings, im right in saying that yes?
If you want to not worry about money and you find any sort of moneymaking activity dreadfully boring (though I would encourage you to explore your options) then selling a PLEX is a good way to fund your PVP. I would, however, encourage you to stick to cheap and expendable ships lest you lose your investment while you learn. |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:47:00 -
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Yeah i'll be sticking to rifters and thrashers for a good few weeks while i get the hang of everything.
But its not that i'd find making isk boring, i just dont relish the thought of missions via agents as i think i'd lose interest incredibly quickly, that said i am open to other suggestions as to making isk.
I dont intend to spend much real money on EVE, but being able to earn enough isks each month to buy my own PLEX from the market is a long way off, at least this way i can have some fun, learn from my losses and hopefully come away the victor before now and again while my skills tick away in the background.
Thinking out loud here, i'm presuming purchasing ships and fittings out in low/null is not as cheap nor easy as it is in high, so would my best bet be to have my med clone in or near jita to account for the innevitable loss of my pod, just to make it easier to re buy a ship, fit it out and head back into low null? Or does that sound too much hassle and i'd be better off buying as many rifters and fittings as possible, moving them to a high sec system that borders low?
Only asking as im not familiar with the sytems and regions within EVE yet so not sure how easy/hard it is to get into low/null.
Sorry for all the questions but your answers are really helpfull!
Rox |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:43:00 -
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Red vs Blue noob friendly pvp
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=23921#post23921 |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
187
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:37:00 -
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PVP in highsec where war declarations aren't involved largely consists doing things that enable other people to shoot at you without being exploded by concord. Once that person has shot at you then you're allowed to shoot back and destroy their ship. That pretty much means you find containers belonging to people and steal from them (container means literally any type of thing that contains items, it can be a cargo container, a wreck or a secure container). When you steal from someone you will get an Aggression Countdown which will allow that person and anyone in his corporation (but not alliance, and not other members of an NPC corporation either) to shoot at your spaceship without consequence for the next 15 minutes. As soon as they shoot you, you can shoot back and destroy their ship.
Here are some other points about aggression countdowns:
- Using any kind of attack module gives both the target and the aggressor an aggression countdown against eachother every time the module cycles, this means that as long as you are shooting or warp disrupting someone you will remain able to continue attacking them indefinitely. - Corp and alliance aggression timers are handled seperately from individual timers. When someone shoots you because you stole something that belongs to their corp it gives you a NEW timer against that individual and the origional timer against the corporation will continue to count down seperately. So if someone shoots you 10 minutes after you stole from his corp 5 minutes later you will still be able to shoot at him and he will be able to shoot at you but the other members of his corporation will not be able to attack you without being destroyed by concord. - Remote assistance conveys aggression. If you remotely assist someone with a shield transporter, remote armor repairer or similar module you will gain 15 minute aggression countdowns from every person they had an aggression timer from or are at war with.
Alternatively go to nullsec or declare war on people or something. Or join RVB if you want to play space paintball.
You should find a corp to hang with though, that would help you alot, lots of PVP corps will accept new people and everyone is always eager to blood their newbies. |
Lapsang Souchong Grey
Molden Heath Armaments LLC
13
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Posted - 2011.12.30 05:32:00 -
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Ransom stuff, that's a good way to make money.
If they're mining into a jet can, steal the contents and see if they attack you. If they do, violence their boat. If they don't say you'll give the ore back for a price. If they still don't, grab a hauler and steal the ore and sell it.
If they do engage, don't blow them up right away - get them to low armour and then ransom the crap out of them. Take their cash, let them go free (ie, honour your ransoms otherwise it's bad for business).
It's a viable way to make isk. Not the quickest, but if you enjoy PVP and want to fund it there's a way to do it. When you're a bit more experienced go to low sec and ransom barges, mission runners and plebs ratting in belts.
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Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:54:00 -
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Somebody in local suggested heading to Amamake for a fight so im on my way up there now. I dont expect to win any fights i might find, but im sure going have fun getting killed and hopefully learn something from it so i get that little bit better each time i do
Thanks for all the suggestions folks!
Rox |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
873
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Posted - 2011.12.30 19:46:00 -
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Hi Roxwar,
It looks like you already good pretty good advice here in this thread and that you don't shy away from some good pvp. As already mentioned, most of EVE is about pvp, but not all pvp includes shooting down ships! When you trade on the market, you are doing pvp, competing with other seller and buyers - and the EVE market is huge! When you mine, you compete with other miners and the ore prices in general. When you do exploration or inventions, you are in competition with other players. Running Incursions can be competitive as well.
Blowing up ships makes pretty explosions and who doesn't like to watch pretty fireworks (except the poor person getting blown up)? You don't need to wait until you have zillions of skillpoints, until you can fly battleships and use advanced large weapons. You can be efficient and important in a frigate as tackler for example, making sure that the opponents cannot warp away and are nicely held in place. This is a role that is important but also doable for the beginner as it doesn't need many in-game skills. Another advantage is that frigates are cheap and easy to replace - at least for a corp or alliance.
I have often experienced that the skillspoints are not as important as the keen interest in pvp, the willingness to learn from mistakes and to not back away from some shiplosses if that means to have good fun.
So, I think you will find many corporations waiting eagerly for you! CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:25:00 -
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Hope so Phantom!
My venture into Amamake ended as expected, but brought with it a few suprises too.
First of all, i learned from it - always look up a pilot before piling in. 2 day old Vs 2005 pilot was never going to end well. But afterwards a convo as struck up in local between about 6 of us, many giving advice which is welcome and 2 of them even said they admired my man danglies for coming into low sec at 2 days old and having a good attitude to losing. So good infact that i recieved 2 lots of 10million isks from 2 other players, one of them being the 2005 player in the Buzzard that i tried shooting!
Dispelled the generalised myth i got from the forums that low sec players were all asshats, they all seemed friendly enough to me.
So, another Thrasher down but 20m isks up! Result!
Back in a rifter this time and heading back out that general direction to see what i learn next |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.30 22:17:00 -
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Quote:First of all, i learned from it - always look up a pilot before piling in. 2 day old Vs 2005 pilot was never going to end well. But afterwards a convo as struck up in local between about 6 of us, many giving advice which is welcome and 2 of them even said they admired my man danglies for coming into low sec at 2 days old and having a good attitude to losing. So good infact that i recieved 2 lots of 10million isks from 2 other players, one of them being the 2005 player in the Buzzard that i tried shooting!
well, it depends. Certainly a 2005 player will generally have an advantage in skills and t2 fittings. However, situation means a lot more - an autocannon thrasher, even with low skills, will always crap all over an autocannon rifter, a vagabond will pretty much always kill a pilgrim. Three rifters will virtually always kill one rifter, even if the solo rifter has 100m SP and t2 fittings.
Quote:Dispelled the generalised myth i got from the forums that low sec players were all asshats, they all seemed friendly enough to me.
There are those who cannot differentiate EVE and real life, and take personal offense when someone shoots them. There are lots of them, even on the forums.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
40
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Posted - 2011.12.31 12:45:00 -
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I am pretty sure that with an attitude like this, you will soon end up in an appropriate corp, skillpoints or not... Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Sun'Mar Raholan
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:40:00 -
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Indeed. This is the sort of pilot wanted in many many lowsec/0.0 corps.
I've a feeling you will soon be on your way... |
Leid Menmarke
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:53:00 -
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Sun'Mar Raholan wrote:Indeed. This is the sort of pilot wanted in many many lowsec/0.0 corps.
Yeah. Corpsl ike Goons and TEST need the disposable cannon fodder. Too bad they don't recruit from the actual EVE playerbase, huh?
Best part about Perpetuum-Online.com? No goons.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
296
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Posted - 2011.12.31 15:55:00 -
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Leid Menmarke wrote:Sun'Mar Raholan wrote:Indeed. This is the sort of pilot wanted in many many lowsec/0.0 corps. Yeah. Corpsl ike Goons and TEST need the disposable cannon fodder. Too bad they don't recruit from the actual EVE playerbase, huh? Best part about Perpetuum-Online.com? No goons.
oh, how naive you are... |
Yaddablabla
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.31 21:51:00 -
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Sun'Mar Raholan wrote:Indeed. This is the sort of pilot wanted in many many lowsec/0.0 corps.
I've a feeling you will soon be on your way...
Yeah Goonswarm needs disposable cannon fodder to lag up the node. |
Torin Corax
Zebra Corp
94
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Posted - 2012.01.01 17:15:00 -
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Roxwar wrote: Thinking out loud here, i'm presuming purchasing ships and fittings out in low/null is not as cheap nor easy as it is in high, so would my best bet be to have my med clone in or near jita to account for the innevitable loss of my pod, just to make it easier to re buy a ship, fit it out and head back into low null? Or does that sound too much hassle and i'd be better off buying as many rifters and fittings as possible, moving them to a high sec system that borders low?
Rox
As regards to this, somebody touched on it earlier....As your sec standing decreases you will be locked out of Higher sec systems. You will be able to fly your pod through, but any ship you pilot can/ will be shot at by gate guards. There are a few ways to deal with this.
- Manage your sec through ratting (boring, but you will make isk while doing it). - Check the low/ null sec area you operate in and see what the market is like for the ships+fittings you will be needing. - Train an alt to fly the ships you want in order to buy in a market hub and move it to you. Note: you don't need to train for the mods unless you want to, just put them in the hold (being able to use speed/ tank mods may help you to get into low however). - Most corps that operate in low/ null will have some form of logistics set up to resupply their pilots, worth checking this during the application process.
Other than that, with your attitude I foresee great things in your future If I had an inappropriate signature, it would be removed from here By. Spitfire |
Yaddablabla
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.01 17:32:00 -
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Notice that the OP isn't crying that he can't shoot innocent miners in hi-sec space.
He's crying about the fact that there's consequences to shooting innocent miners in hi-sec space. |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.01 23:02:00 -
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I wasnt crying as such about the consequences, as expressing my surprise that they existed at all, keep in mind my view of EVE prior to me trying it out via a friends reccomendation, were that is was PVP based, basically i was a victim of my own ignorance, but still, its another lesson :)
Decided to leave off giving away kills to random strangers for a day or two just so i can get a couple of skills i think will help me last longer, being able to fit rigs being one of them
Still having fun though, almost ( and i mean i was reeeeally close to getting my first kill yesterday ) managed to kill a rifter but he killed me when i had him down to about 15% hull. Heart was thumping in my chest and i was yes yes yes c'mon, then i was like, ****, off i go to buy another rifter, plus rigs this time lol
I'll get there soon enough ( i hope )
Rox
P.S. Thanks for all the positive comments guys, appreciated :) |
Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:50:00 -
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So, today i managed to get my first kill! Woop
Read up a little about the agression mechanics and what people call 'can flipping'
Tried it out on a lone frigate in a belt today, they shot at me after i stole some rocks so i was free to fight back, which turned out well so im pretty chuffed with that. Afterwards i set off back to Amamake looking for a fight against another frig, used my D-scanner to find a merlin in a belt which i warped to, but he must have seen me coming, or maybe just coincidence but he warped off as i warped in. Unfortunately for me, another frig warped on top of me and immediately proceeded to pummel me with such ease it was frightening, it was over in a matter of seconds :(
Note to self - train for T2 drones.
Still, the guy did speak in local and admitted it wasnt much of a fight considering he was a 4yr old char and he was a complete ******* of a player - his words - and better luck next time ect ect..
My next question is, does anybody have any suggestions as to good systems for 1 vs 1 frig fights as Amamake is obviously not the right place for a noob to be flying while trying to learn. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
897
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Posted - 2012.01.03 11:28:00 -
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It's most encouraging to see your progress so far
Roxwar wrote:My next question is, does anybody have any suggestions as to good systems for 1 vs 1 frig fights as Amamake is obviously not the right place for a noob to be flying while trying to learn.
While you're a "noob" pilot, you might find RvB or Faction Warfare to be a better option. Safety in numbers, and you can bring skills and modules to the fight that will help everyone else even if you have very low gunnery skills. A tanky frigate carrying nothing more offensive than a webifier and target painter can work wonders.
In terms of ISK income, check out the Making ISK guide in the EVElopedia. |
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