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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:25:00 -
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I was thinking about possible ways to deal with the ever growing alliances out there, in terms of political means. Would it be possible for CCP to implement the option to deny sold goods on the market to certain corporations/alliances/individuals, a sort of blacklisting if you would? Moreover, if one could give discounts of x% to Alliance or Corp Y, it would add much more flexibility to the current system.
For example, let us look at these gangraping dominixs in high security space attacking freighters; as it stands, the freighters cannot defend themselves IF someone wants their stuff bad enough, however, if they were able to spread the word to their fellow builders, a general embargo/blacklisting of the people involved could possible deny them access to more dominix's for future ganks. Or, at the very least, make them jump 2 sectors over to get their drones/ships.
I believe this would solve two problems:
1. CCP's desire for their player base to work things out amongst themselves rather than have them step in and spank players to doing something "bad". 2. Allow one to have greater control over their marketed goods, with political leanings in the various alliance wars.
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:26:00 -
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Well call me Mr Devious, but wouldn't the fact that people have alts rather undermine this feature?
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Well call me Mr Devious, but wouldn't the fact that people have alts rather undermine this feature?
Flag accounts rather than players? I doubt thats much more work.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Malcanis Well call me Mr Devious, but wouldn't the fact that people have alts rather undermine this feature?
Flag accounts rather than players? I doubt thats much more work.
And for the people that have alt accounts Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Malcanis Well call me Mr Devious, but wouldn't the fact that people have alts rather undermine this feature?
Flag accounts rather than players? I doubt thats much more work.
And for the people that have alt accounts
Implement the wrath of god to ban all alt accounts .
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Ishma Nelass
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Posted - 2007.05.07 22:52:00 -
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The point of an alt is that it does not have any necessary in game connection with the other alts on an account. Anything 'account-wide' would be, in itelf, a form of metagaming and is not within the spirit of EVE-online.
Frankly, the use of trade alts is in that spirit. At least to a far greater extent than what you are suggesting...
That being said, I do think it is a good idea to implement the basic feature (without the account-wide aspect), if only to make a statement on the market; I would recommend making this standing-related, as otherwise the setting of standing is of rather limited use. So if you set your standing to someone lower than - say - -5.00, they cannot buy or sell from your orders, or bid on any of your auctions, etc.
And circumventing this is really only applicable on larger purchases, as the smaller ones would take to much time to switch to the alt for it to be time efficient. As such the suggestion has some - albeit limited - practical potential.
As such, /signed
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
I was thinking about possible ways to deal with the ever growing alliances out there, in terms of political means. Would it be possible for CCP to implement the option to deny sold goods on the market to certain corporations/alliances/individuals, a sort of blacklisting if you would? Moreover, if one could give discounts of x% to Alliance or Corp Y, it would add much more flexibility to the current system.
For example, let us look at these gangraping dominixs in high security space attacking freighters; as it stands, the freighters cannot defend themselves IF someone wants their stuff bad enough, however, if they were able to spread the word to their fellow builders, a general embargo/blacklisting of the people involved could possible deny them access to more dominix's for future ganks. Or, at the very least, make them jump 2 sectors over to get their drones/ships.
I believe this would solve two problems:
1. CCP's desire for their player base to work things out amongst themselves rather than have them step in and spank players to doing something "bad". 2. Allow one to have greater control over their marketed goods, with political leanings in the various alliance wars.
even if it were implemented things would work much like in the real world
you would put up 3xship A for 300 million
buyer A would buy it and the two other ones would be bought
no theres no more of ship on the market below 310 million
you didnt want to sell to buyer B but buyer A happens to not want this ship anymore/ planned to resell it anyways now he sells it at 305 million and buyer B buys it not even a 2% markup and he could not give a damn....
as well as alts and friendly corps - this would just make headaches and more reselling
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:45:00 -
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no, as it would be open door to more griefing (power abuse), and lot of ppl have lot of stuff in 0.0 (like me) where they used to live, but dont have access anymore coz they lost war or left game for long period and theyre formed alliance lost war or moved For now they can come to nija-trade in cloaked ship, make contract or trading with clone jump if they havce some, if you lock market it would make them leave the game and increase the number (already hight) of spy/thief/saboteur alt char that will Try to be hired by the locking alliance to try to get his stuff out, and eventually at the Same time doing evil things to the said alliance
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Ishma Nelass
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:59:00 -
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...increase the number (already hight) of spy/thief/saboteur alt char that will Try to be hired by the locking alliance to try to get his stuff out, and eventually at the Same time doing evil things to the said alliance
And how is this bad?
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:35:00 -
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how it is bad ?
it's bad only because in eve you can buy a char and then you dont have to assume your behaviour imagine 2 second if in real life you could reincarnate near 'at will'...
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.05.09 07:27:00 -
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That would be an nice option but I think that would make the market too frustrating to use. People that don't want to sell items to the bad guys probably just do a personal transaction than using the market, anyway.
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Wild Rho
Amarr GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.09 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 09/05/2007 07:40:37 Personally I'd like to see 3 "instances" of the market available to players.
First instance is the public market, what we have now.
Second instance is a corporate market where only people in the same corp can view, buy and sell goods. In all other funtions it would behave just like the regular market but with restricted access. It could also make corp logistics a hell of alot easier with less worry about corp hangers being cleared out.
Third instance is an alliance market. Much like the corporate market but working on the alliance scale instead.
Corporate and alliance scale markets can be used anywhere from Jita out to the furthest 0.0 regions but have the same regional boundries the public market does (they are essentially exactly the same as the public market, just with restrictions on who can view and interact with them).
EDIT: Killing the typo goblins.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 09:04:00 -
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Yes Wild Rho idea is Very good, an alliance restricted market would be good, but for a corporate restricted market i'm less sure as it will be very limited and i dont think ppl will use it a lot
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Wild Rho
Amarr GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.09 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 09/05/2007 09:37:43 I just think with a corporate market it would solve a huge amount of logistics work for a corp as you have more control and ability to distribute ships/mods/ammo securely in any location (simply build the items, put them up on the corp market for whatever your corp sells them at - even 0.00isk if needs be).
You could also make much more secure access to higher value items without the dilema of giving too many people access to high value hangers risking theft or too few people creating the problem of having people in the right place at the right time to distribute the goods.
EDIT: more typo goblins!!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.09 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 09/05/2007 07:40:37 Personally I'd like to see 3 "instances" of the market available to players.
First instance is the public market, what we have now.
Second instance is a corporate market where only people in the same corp can view, buy and sell goods. In all other funtions it would behave just like the regular market but with restricted access. It could also make corp logistics a hell of alot easier with less worry about corp hangers being cleared out.
Third instance is an alliance market. Much like the corporate market but working on the alliance scale instead.
Corporate and alliance scale markets can be used anywhere from Jita out to the furthest 0.0 regions but have the same regional boundries the public market does (they are essentially exactly the same as the public market, just with restrictions on who can view and interact with them).
EDIT: Killing the typo goblins.
Awesome idea. That would save so much trouble.
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David Miliband
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Posted - 2007.05.09 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Market Idea
Ok, this idea wins the forums today. Though I'd also add an option to set market order availability by standings - trade wars would then play a more important aspect of the game... would be really easy to implement too (from a UI point of view at any rate, probably be a ***** to code :P) Just add a drop down menu to the market order boxes: Do not limit order; limit order to my corporation; limit order to my alliance; limit order to minimum standing of <standing slide bar>.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 10:56:00 -
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why this sounds good I don'nt think its reasonably possible the amountof overhead on an aleady laggy market system would probably not be possible and if it was implemented andit ever affected anyone they would just use alts anyway.
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