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![CCP Wrangler CCP Wrangler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/160127350/portrait?size=64)
CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:05:00 -
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The topic of the second Live Dev Blog will be the backstory of EVE. We will have Gnauton - the boss of everything storyline related, Abraxas - writer extraordinaire of EVE Chronicles, Ginger - events expert and of course the lovely Eris Discordia - ruler of everything that is pink. These four will sit down and discuss the dark tone and gritty style of the backstory, the future of events and fiction and of course they will answer your questions!
Whether you're a role-player, non role-player or simply a big Eris Discordia fan, we promise that this is a Live Dev Blog you don't want to miss! Get something to drink, make yourself comfortable, make sure you have EVE Voice switched on and join the "Live Dev Chat" channel in game for a magical evening of backstory and pink in general!
To listen in you will need to be in the "Live Dev Blog" channel in-game and have EVE Voice activated on your account. Please head over to the Live Dev Blog - Rules and Guidelines thread on the forums to read more about the Live Dev Blogs.
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![Evelgrivion Evelgrivion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/927891398/portrait?size=64)
Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 08/05/2007 09:07:07 Hoorah for the pink!
And first ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif) ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for. |
![Lord Matrix Lord Matrix](https://images.evetech.net/characters/596122571/portrait?size=64)
Lord Matrix
PBA Corporation The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:05:00 -
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Sounds great ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Will there still be a Vivox concurrent user limit?
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![Elise Masutra Elise Masutra](https://images.evetech.net/characters/823367724/portrait?size=64)
Elise Masutra
The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Elise Masutra on 08/05/2007 10:21:46 Although it is nice to listen to you folks it is very important that you provide a transcript for everyone else who got no access, due to limit, no time to listen, sleeps, doesn't like your voices or whatever reason. An please don't just wait for a player to do it.
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![Helison Helison](https://images.evetech.net/characters/149658172/portrait?size=64)
Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:27:00 -
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Please bring back the great devchats on IRC! I really loved them, and I always tried to join them. Even if I missed one, I could have been sure, that a log was available within 1-3 hours (provided by the community). With Eve-Voice this is much more complicated (user limits, technical problems, ...) and as I donŠt have English as mother tongue it is much more difficult for me to understand it.
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![FireFoxx80 FireFoxx80](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1045747895/portrait?size=64)
FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:38:00 -
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No offence, but I thought this sort of thing was meant to be a one-off?
Vivox is inaccessible. Not only to those with hearing impairments, but also to those behind restrictive firewalls, and those who do not have sound enabled computers.
The Live Dev Blog in-game channel during the first trial, as far as I understand from reports, was full of people spamming. The only way to get around this was to mute, warn, or ban people from participating.
Due to the above, and due to a limit not being placed on the channel in the first place. A lot of people who had waited a long time to get into the chat, were booted from it when the discussion started (late).
The audio quality isn't all that. It took me 2-3 attempts at listening through all the "erm"'s and muffled voices, in order to actually work out what was going on.
A transcript of the first Live Dev Blog was only made available to users a few days later; and only because a player was kind-hearted enough to spend a few hours writing one.
I can see that Devs get more information out there, as they are not having to spend time typing and all that. But why not continue to use IRC? As they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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![Shadowsword Shadowsword](https://images.evetech.net/characters/765655996/portrait?size=64)
Shadowsword
Kermit Space Industies
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Helison Please bring back the great devchats on IRC! I really loved them, and I always tried to join them. Even if I missed one, I could have been sure, that a log was available within 1-3 hours (provided by the community). With Eve-Voice this is much more complicated (user limits, technical problems, ...) and as I donŠt have English as mother tongue it is much more difficult for me to understand it.
I second that, for the same reasons.
How do you recognize a good dev chat? A good one makes forums alive with discussions about it the day after it happened. This hasn't been the case of the last one...
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![CCP Wrangler CCP Wrangler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/160127350/portrait?size=64)
CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:55:00 -
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Ok, I'll try to answer all questions here.
Currently we don't have any plans to provide transcripts of the Live Dev Blog, we do provide a downloadable version the following week for those who couldn't make it.
Live Dev Blogs are not a replacement for Dev chats in IRC. The Dev chats are hosted by a fansite, not by CCP, usually just before some big event like an expansion or similar. For example, we have Revelations 2 coming in the near future. If a fansite wishes to host a Dev chat, they are more than welcome to contact us and discuss it.
If you read the rules, which I linked to in the OP, you'll see that spamming will result in a 3 day in game ban.
Live Dev Blogs are not here to replace anything, they're here to add to what we already have.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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![Helison Helison](https://images.evetech.net/characters/149658172/portrait?size=64)
Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Helison on 08/05/2007 11:21:54 Well these Live Dev Blogs are very similar to the old devchats. So I donŠt think, that the developers will have time to do both, or is it really the fault of the fansites, that we havnŠt seen any devchats in the last time? The only really difference is that the Live Dev Blogs is using Eve Voice (which is only useable for parts of the userbase) and the devchats is using IRC (which is useable on each PC). I really hope that there will be transcripts, otherwise big parts of the community will have problems.
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![FireFoxx80 FireFoxx80](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1045747895/portrait?size=64)
FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:49:00 -
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So will this be something that is going to become a regular feature then?
If it does, and I am assuming that Vivox won't be free forever, then it's going to be something only available to those who are willing to pay a premium.
It's very difficult to get feedback from your player base when you are excluding a tiny minority on the grounds of accessibility, and a much larger majority who won't want to pay for Vivox.
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![CCP Wrangler CCP Wrangler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/160127350/portrait?size=64)
CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Helison Edited by: Helison on 08/05/2007 11:21:54 Well these Live Dev Blogs are very similar to the old devchats. So I donŠt think, that the developers will have time to do both, or is it really the fault of the fansites, that we havnŠt seen any devchats in the last time?
Well, I'm sure we can get some developers to do devchats. It's not the fansites fault there hasn't been any devchats lately, I would guess we haven't been as good at informaing them as we should have been. But then we are informing them now, so I'll keep an eye on my inbox. ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
Originally by: FireFoxx80 So will this be something that is going to become a regular feature then?
If it does, and I am assuming that Vivox won't be free forever, then it's going to be something only available to those who are willing to pay a premium.
It's very difficult to get feedback from your player base when you are excluding a tiny minority on the grounds of accessibility, and a much larger majority who won't want to pay for Vivox.
This was planned as a regular feature from the beginning, and yes we will continue doing it.
EVE Voice (Vivox is the name of the company, not the feature) will be "free" until we can get a corporation wide EVE Voice program of some kind. After that, you will have to pay to use EVE Voice, though I believe there will still be a trial for new accounts. You can still ask questions, since the topic will be announced before the Live Dev Blog, and you will be able to submit questions in advance. We will continue providing a downloadable version, so even without EVE Voice you will be able to listen to the Live Dev Blog.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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![Xenofur Xenofur](https://images.evetech.net/characters/110149073/portrait?size=64)
Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Currently we don't have any plans to provide transcripts of the Live Dev Blog, we do provide a downloadable version the following week for those who couldn't make it.
with all due respect, f*** that, uploading recordings is only wasting your time needlessly if you can't be bothered to provide a written form. go code/design something instead or help resolve some player tickets. you should honestly have different priorities.
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![Barbarellas Daughter Barbarellas Daughter](https://images.evetech.net/characters/132603768/portrait?size=64)
Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:12:00 -
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Why would i listen to a "Second Life" Dev Blog?
nvm, its a "v" ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![General Xerxes General Xerxes](https://images.evetech.net/characters/116565226/portrait?size=64)
General Xerxes
Delta Omega Iota Inc. Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.05.08 15:59:00 -
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Quote: Spamming is not tolerated and any typing in the chat channel of anything other than a question is considered spam. The penalty for spamming is a three day game ban for the player in question.
Yay and I hope you will actually go through with this if theres a repeat of the spamming from last time.
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![CCP Ginger CCP Ginger](https://images.evetech.net/characters/604034698/portrait?size=64)
CCP Ginger
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:10:00 -
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After you here me talk, your going to wish it was text based. Trust me on this.
Ispeakveryfastsometimesandnoonecanunderstandmesoitsallcoolandthat.
I am currently taking questions on the topics of the following:
Who is the most sexy member of the team?
Is that person Ginger?
Really? Are you sure?
Can I have Ginger babies?
A wide range of topics im sure you will agree :)
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![Erotic Irony Erotic Irony](https://images.evetech.net/characters/281011440/portrait?size=64)
Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler The topic of the second Live Dev Blog will be the backstory of EVE.
Irrelevant--insight into substantive gameplay please. ___
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![Ecid Q'Wulf Ecid Q'Wulf](https://images.evetech.net/characters/128034111/portrait?size=64)
Ecid Q'Wulf
Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate G.U.A.R.D.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:24:00 -
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Wasn't there supposed to be a transcript for them last EVE-Live-Devblog, that those, like me, beeing unable to listen in, where able to inform themselfes ?
if yes, can anyone point me into the right direction ?
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![Kaiso Ohad Kaiso Ohad](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1159279129/portrait?size=64)
Kaiso Ohad
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:56:00 -
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I don't "get" live chat. Why pick the platform which offers the least amount of time to prepare a coherent answer to a question instead of answering questions on the forums, especially dev blogs? Why audio which is harder for the non-english folks to comprehend than text?
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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![CCP Wrangler CCP Wrangler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/160127350/portrait?size=64)
CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The topic of the second Live Dev Blog will be the backstory of EVE.
Irrelevant--insight into substantive gameplay please.
I'm sorry, but as with all ways we use to communicate, we will cover most aspects of EVE and development, not just the next cool expansion, though we will have a lot of that as well. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf Wasn't there supposed to be a transcript for them last EVE-Live-Devblog, that those, like me, beeing unable to listen in, where able to inform themselfes ?
if yes, can anyone point me into the right direction ?
No, there is a downloadable mp3 file though, and a player made a transcript which he posted somewhere on the forums.
Originally by: Kaiso Ohad I don't "get" live chat. Why pick the platform which offers the least amount of time to prepare a coherent answer to a question instead of answering questions on the forums, especially dev blogs? Why audio which is harder for the non-english folks to comprehend than text?
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Well, as most forms of communications it does have both advantages and disadvantages. There is a lot more information in a Live Dev Blog than you get in a devchat or a Dev Blog, even if it takes a bit more effort to get that information.
But I still want to make it clear that we are doing the Dev Blogs, we are doing the occasional forum posts, there are still interviews at fansites and gaming news sites from time to time, if a fansite wishes to host a devchat we are still willing to discuss it. The Live Dev Blog is here to stay, for now at least, but it is not replacing anything, it is just adding something.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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![raven415 raven415](https://images.evetech.net/characters/245667676/portrait?size=64)
raven415
Caldari Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler Ok, I'll try to answer all questions here.
Currently we don't have any plans to provide transcripts of the Live Dev Blog, we do provide a downloadable version the following week for those who couldn't make it.
Live Dev Blogs are not a replacement for Dev chats in IRC. The Dev chats are hosted by a fansite, not by CCP, usually just before some big event like an expansion or similar. For example, we have Revelations 2 coming in the near future. If a fansite wishes to host a Dev chat, they are more than welcome to contact us and discuss it.
If you read the rules, which I linked to in the OP, you'll see that spamming will result in a 3 day in game ban.
Live Dev Blogs are not here to replace anything, they're here to add to what we already have.
so unless I want to activate eve voice,witch at some time will cost me money,I will not be able to access some of the information you put out.
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![Kaiso Ohad Kaiso Ohad](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1159279129/portrait?size=64)
Kaiso Ohad
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler But I still want to make it clear that we are doing the Dev Blogs, we are doing the occasional forum posts...The Live Dev Blog is here to stay, for now at least, but it is not replacing anything, it is just adding something.
That's fine. All I'm suggesting is that you keep important information on the forums, so that it can be easily accessed, linked and most importantly searched for and maybe let those devs, who want to go on and on about sand or their new toy that keeps them from doing what they said they would, do Live Chat.
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![CCP Wrangler CCP Wrangler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/160127350/portrait?size=64)
CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.05.08 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: raven415 so unless I want to activate eve voice,witch at some time will cost me money,I will not be able to access some of the information you put out.
No, the Live Dev Blogs are recorded and available for download shortly after the event.
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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![Erotic Irony Erotic Irony](https://images.evetech.net/characters/281011440/portrait?size=64)
Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.08 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: CCP Wrangler The topic of the second Live Dev Blog will be the backstory of EVE.
Irrelevant--insight into substantive gameplay please.
I'm sorry, but as with all ways we use to communicate, we will cover most aspects of EVE and development, not just the next cool expansion, though we will have a lot of that as well. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Negative, what you're describing is a symptom of the personality crisis Eve has been having since Shiva--is it a game about amorphous pvp gangs emphasizing hit and run tactics or is a POS simulation with a side of RP and conventional pvp diversions? Given that POS dynamics were and still are somewhat stillborn and ill-conconceived or incompletely implemented, I have to wonder if this project is going to be completed or made more interactive.
By the admission of some dev blogs, its about shifting gameplay back to the former, toward small gangs and guerilla fights. Going back two or three years of Dev blogs I don't see such a tremendous emphasis on RP directly but the pvp tournies, EON, and this fixation with more "RP" all of sudden when the rhetoric has long been player politics is inconsistant and antithetical to the original blueprint of the game. The name of the game is ship performance and You simply can't tell me I'm in error when CCP hasn't completely decided on what EVE is, or, will be.
___ Oveur: Please read the rules of this thread, keep the discussion elsewhere.
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![Farrellus Cameron Farrellus Cameron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/746913176/portrait?size=64)
Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.09 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 09/05/2007 00:25:02
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, there is a downloadable mp3 file though, and a player made a transcript which he posted somewhere on the forums.
I didn't make the transcript, but I did download it, and when the link stopped working I uploaded it to EVE Files. Here's the link to it: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0704/dev_chat.pdf ----------------------------------------------------
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![Sevarus James Sevarus James](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1380870701/portrait?size=64)
Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:52:00 -
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Got the chat features fixed for us non windows users yet? No? Well takes care of trying to participate there, eh? --only slightly irritated.
CCP announced a linux client in three weeks.....what 6 weeks ago? Fully supporting linux and mac and such was mentioned only slightly by top ccp brass, not just here, but to the gaming press. Not a peep since, and oh yeah, 1 tier support was VOWED for dx9/dx10 etc., et.al. Guess that didn't include voice eh?
I'm normally not persnickety, but the silence (no pun intended) is a bit deafening lately regarding these statements and such.
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![Barbaro55a Barbaro55a](https://images.evetech.net/characters/322327621/portrait?size=64)
Barbaro55a
Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.09 10:35:00 -
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Darn, its my anniversary , wonder if i can sneak out..... .......................................... We come in Peace, FIRE AT WILL---Blog |
![Raquel Smith Raquel Smith](https://images.evetech.net/characters/892008733/portrait?size=64)
Raquel Smith
Caldari Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:19:00 -
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Way to exclude your deaf and hard of hearing customers again, CCP! ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif)
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![FireFoxx80 FireFoxx80](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1045747895/portrait?size=64)
FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith Way to exclude your deaf and hard of hearing customers again, CCP! ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif) ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif)
I'm not deaf myself, but I hear where you are coming from (pardon the pun). I have to deal with accessibility stuff at work.
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![Cryten Jones Cryten Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/847409050/portrait?size=64)
Cryten Jones
Gallente Infinite Development Consortium
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:56:00 -
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realy sorry if this is the thick comment of the thread but what channel do we join ingame ?
Thanks
-CJ
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![Vactet Vactet](https://images.evetech.net/characters/965762482/portrait?size=64)
Vactet
Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:13:00 -
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Hmm. Personally i think the live blogs are a good idea gone wrong. Hearing a dev answer questions is nice since you can hear easier if they are lieing about just how soon something is coming (IE: Linux...) The live nature of it however is really not so smart. Alot of questions arent quality and only the best should get answered. Who decides that? Devs. The questions that are asked most are important and questions which might make the audience smile. However, I must give CCP a -10 on thinking through the idea (AGAIN!). 1)Someone mentioned non english speakers...ok. Well they can wait for the player transcript, which could be wrong for all they know. Honestly ccp should be covering the multi languages since oh..right..MULTI LANGUAGE GAME. 2)The whole deaf thing. Yeh again, utter failure by CCP with the lack of transcripts.
-5 points for each of those, seriously. I am a native english speaker but geezus this just isnt right. Use your language staff, the folks that convert things to other languages for you. Make them be useful for once. You want to give live dev blogs to the paying customers in your game? Fine! But dont segregate (Oh..thats a dirty dirty word isnt it? Deserved imho) it to those who can A)Hear B)Understand english.
Oh and another -2 points for the whole fact that those who dont really want to give any more money a month (45 bucks already here)..yeh, thanks! -.- Boy o boy you can cut that sarcasm with a knife huh?
And yes..i am just a wee bit upset. No, this is not a whine, more like an anger filled rant. Close cousins, but far enough apart.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
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