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joshua tee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:07:05 -
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joshua tee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:19:44 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Agondray wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:BCs should be next for more hulls.
Especially considering there are no faction BCs except Gnosis.
Also: Maurauders. You have navy faction bcs and some time ago they had a tier added, dd has had 2 ships added, bs had one added ages ago. Cruisers and frigate hasn't had anything minus when they added mordu I didnt mean "navy" ships when I said faction. Furthermore there are 2 navy BS options per empire, whereas only 1 BC navy option per empire. When I said faction, I meant Pirates/SoE, each of which offers a BS hull, but no BC option. BS: 12 T1 + 8 Navy + 8 T2 + 7 Faction = 35 hulls BC: 12 T1 + 4 Navy + 8 T2 + Gnosis = 25 hulls The faction BS are especially notable in this comparison, for stats, variety and how many there are. Furthermore the BC T2 variants are differentiated largely only by weapon/tank/burst type, as command ships of each empire. Whereas the BS T2 variants, as BLOPS and Marauders respectively, fill two distinct separate roles. I think it makes more sense to add more BC variety into the gap between Cruisers and BS. This would also involve less powercreep than more BS hulls (especially a T3BS). BS can instead be balanced with stat changes.
Furthermore, depending on how hard changes hit T3Cs, more BC options can help fill the vacuum without stepping on anyones toes.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:28:10 -
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joshua tee wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Agondray wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:BCs should be next for more hulls.
Especially considering there are no faction BCs except Gnosis.
Also: Maurauders. You have navy faction bcs and some time ago they had a tier added, dd has had 2 ships added, bs had one added ages ago. Cruisers and frigate hasn't had anything minus when they added mordu I didnt mean "navy" ships when I said faction. Furthermore there are 2 navy BS options per empire, whereas only 1 BC navy option per empire. When I said faction, I meant Pirates/SoE, each of which offers a BS hull, but no BC option. BS: 12 T1 + 8 Navy + 8 T2 + 7 Faction = 35 hulls BC: 12 T1 + 4 Navy + 8 T2 + Gnosis = 25 hulls The faction BS are especially notable in this comparison, for stats, variety and how many there are. Furthermore the BC T2 variants are differentiated largely only by weapon/tank/burst type, as command ships of each empire. Whereas the BS T2 variants, as BLOPS and Marauders respectively, fill two distinct separate roles. I think it makes more sense to add more BC variety into the gap between Cruisers and BS. This would also involve less powercreep than more BS hulls (especially a T3BS). BS can instead be balanced with stat changes.
Furthermore, depending on how hard changes hit T3Cs, more BC options can help fill the vacuum without stepping on anyones toes. twice our guns, twice our numbers ;(
Exactly.
I find it very hard to believe that if CCP added faction BCs, that they could mess up stats so badly that they would unfairly overshadow existing either Cruiser or BS in their respective roles and stats.
BCs edge out over Cruisers by around 100dps (so about 1/5-1/4 more), yet still have only about half the raw dps of BS hulls. BCs roughly double raw ehp of a Cruiser, but have twice the sig size and about 3/5s the speed.
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joshua tee
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:49:03 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:joshua tee wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Agondray wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:BCs should be next for more hulls.
Especially considering there are no faction BCs except Gnosis.
Also: Maurauders. You have navy faction bcs and some time ago they had a tier added, dd has had 2 ships added, bs had one added ages ago. Cruisers and frigate hasn't had anything minus when they added mordu I didnt mean "navy" ships when I said faction. Furthermore there are 2 navy BS options per empire, whereas only 1 BC navy option per empire. When I said faction, I meant Pirates/SoE, each of which offers a BS hull, but no BC option. BS: 12 T1 + 8 Navy + 8 T2 + 7 Faction = 35 hulls BC: 12 T1 + 4 Navy + 8 T2 + Gnosis = 25 hulls The faction BS are especially notable in this comparison, for stats, variety and how many there are. Furthermore the BC T2 variants are differentiated largely only by weapon/tank/burst type, as command ships of each empire. Whereas the BS T2 variants, as BLOPS and Marauders respectively, fill two distinct separate roles. I think it makes more sense to add more BC variety into the gap between Cruisers and BS. This would also involve less powercreep than more BS hulls (especially a T3BS). BS can instead be balanced with stat changes.
Furthermore, depending on how hard changes hit T3Cs, more BC options can help fill the vacuum without stepping on anyones toes. twice our guns, twice our numbers ;( Exactly. I find it very hard to believe that if CCP added faction BCs, that they could mess up stats so badly that they would unfairly overshadow existing either Cruiser or BS in their respective roles and stats. BCs edge out over Cruisers by around 100dps (so about 1/5-1/4 more), yet still have only about half the raw dps of BS hulls. BCs roughly double raw ehp of a Cruiser, but have twice the sig size and about 3/5s the speed.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:50:37 -
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Beast of Revelations wrote:I'm not opposed to the idea in theory. But it would be nice if they fixed current battleship issues with respect to tank, firepower, etc. before we ask for super-battleships. Many people don't even fly battleships because they consider cruisers to be better.
Also, I wouldn't want capships to be stepped-on.
That's not a battleship problem, its a T3C problem. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:30:41 -
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Arguably, its a BC problem.
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Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:34:02 -
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People only use cruisers en-mass because they are a LOT faster to move and half the cost of the same sized battleship fleet. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:39:59 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:People only use cruisers en-mass because they are a LOT faster to move and half the cost of the same sized battleship fleet.
According to baltec1, cost doesnt matter.
And ofc cruisers are faster to move than BS. I doubt that will ever change.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:43:44 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:People only use cruisers en-mass because they are a LOT faster to move and half the cost of the same sized battleship fleet.
T3C tank more, are harder to hit, move faster, are easier to get cap stable with a prop mod and when you take sigs, tracking, gun sig and engagement ranges commonly used they also hit around as hard. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:50:56 -
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T3C dps vs BS dps depends on the targets.
BS may not be as effective at applying on smaller/faster targets, but on larger/slower ones they easily double that of T3Cs.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:54:50 -
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This thread is about marauders not T3's. I do agreed T3's need a serious nerf though.
Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 11:00:20 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them. Like 99% of posters in this thread mentioned them.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.26 11:04:34 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them. Like 99% of posters in this thread mentioned them.
Do they now?
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:24:06 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them. Like 99% of posters in this thread mentioned them.
It's a joke you didn't get because you were spurging about T3C..
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:28:20 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them. Like 99% of posters in this thread mentioned them.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.04.26 15:11:19 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Also... marauders? Not enough people mention them. Like 99% of posters in this thread mentioned them. It's a joke you didn't get because you were spurging about T3C..
Its a joke I got already in a thread you didnt read.
Also, Marauders?
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Ravnik
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Posted - 2017.04.26 16:22:53 -
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After reading the first few posts on this thread i spat out my coffee and lol'd at another Marauder answer!
But in all seriousness, you are probably looking at Marauders at being the next one up from a battleship. Or with their bastions, maybe they are next one down from Dreads?
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