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Valkorsia
IONSTAR Yulai Federation
39
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Posted - 2017.05.02 15:04:16 -
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Hail loyalists!
As a newly appointed member of the Providence Empyrean Council, I can confirm what Erika Wallker has detailed here. She, too, is a council member and speaks truth.
Both of us have shown him compassion and offered advice, despite his attacks on CVA diplomats and pilots in Providence. Sadly, I feel Lord Vaari has lost his mind. His age and admitted drug and alcohol use have caused what appears to be brain damage. He often forgets what he's saying mid-sentence and appears to be genuinely disturbed. He's recently said the most foul things in CVA-Diplo channels, defying all logic. On CVA forums, he has called both Miss Wallker and I things I can not even repeat; foul things. Yet we still tried to always allow him a certain leeway because he is a Lord.
I was raised by my uncle, an Amarrian, and was schooled in Amarr after my family was killed in the Great War. I'm very familiar with Amarr tradition and the very title of this communication is a bold, ouright lie. I have never, ever seen an Amarrian lord speak and do the things Lord Varri has done. It's unbecoming of even peasants, let alone an Earl.
Despite his distraction and incessant, lunical ramblings on forums daily, CVA allowed him to stay and do his work in Providence - until - and only until - he violated his promised, earlier agreement with the magistrate. He was warned and counseled by many, yet he persisted.
It is Lord Vaari himself who attacked Amarrian traditions, not CVA. Again, I feel compassion for him, because I know his age, drug and alcohol use have rotted his brain. It's sad to see and despite it all, I still hold hope that one day Lord Vaari will see the error of his ways and begin to act like a true Amarrian lord.
Respectfully,
RAdm Valkorsia |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
912
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:44:08 -
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Im defending Amarr at all things and all times. When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree and grows in the field of double standard, it has no other options than to grow up into double standard apple tree.
This has happened into many CVA members and CVA aligned people. CVA is sailing forward with the reputation of somehow distant past of amarrian loyalist reputation. Same time this same CVA sailed all the way from Providence to Amarr Prime to literally tell Her Imperial Majesty to go **** herself during Her coronation day.
Had it been some easily disposable person, say me for example, there would be no second guessing and no excuses to put that person on KOS had someone would rised word about behavior. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3363
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:39:15 -
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Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree
You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right? |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
321
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:01:23 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right? No apple can be a whole pie. A good pie should always contain more than a single fruit.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
997
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:43:57 -
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Ascentior wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right? No apple can be a whole pie. A good pie should always contain more than a single fruit. Then it shall contain Vaari as well. There you go, multiple fruits.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1886
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:07:24 -
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Meat pies. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3687
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:18:24 -
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Arrendis wrote:Edit for clarity: because, just to be blunt, until the Amarr Empire itself ends slavery, or openly states that anyone else is perfectly fine taking Amarr slaves with the specific intention of breaking their will, their faith, and making them into something else? Until that happens, then yes, the official policy of the Amarr Empire remains 'It's ok for us to do whatever we want because the magic sky fairy says so'.
While that's not totally wrong, Arrendis, it's more like, "It's okay for us to do what God told us to, even if those things would be horrifying if someone else did them to us (if only because that would make it harder for us to bring the rest of the cluster into the service of our god)."
Divine mandate, more than divine permission to do whatever. (Even if some Holders do seem to sometimes interpret it as the latter.) It's not fair, but, it's not supposed to be-- that kind of consideration kind of goes out the airlock once you start throwing phrases like "directed by God" around.
If the Amarr really thought they could do as they pleased there'd be no need for penitence pits. (And I STILL want to know what's up with those, but not badly enough to be "tipped into" one. The Amarr seem to mostly talk it in "you don't want to know" sorts of tones. ... but, I really kind of do. So I guess it's more "I really, really don't want to talk about it.") |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3370
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:34:30 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: While that's not totally wrong, Arrendis, it's more like, "It's okay for us to do what God told us to, even if those things would be horrifying if someone else did them to us (if only because that would make it harder for us to bring the rest of the cluster into the service of our god)."
Yes, and without any independent and empirical proof for the existence of the entity they're claiming 'told' them to do it, then Lo! It's right back to 'whatever we want', because somehow, 'divine will' always seems to be benefiting the people who get to determine just what the 'divine will' is.
So it's still 'Rules are for other people, we can do whatever we want because the magical sky-fairy told us to.'
Quote:If the Amarr really thought they could do as they pleased there'd be no need for penitence pits. (And I STILL want to know what's up with those, but not badly enough to be "tipped into" one. The Amarr seem to mostly talk it in "you don't want to know" sorts of tones. ... but, I really kind of do. So I guess it's more "I really, really don't want to talk about it.")
Eh, I'll take one for the cause of advancing scientific knowledge. Tell me where to find one, I'll check it out and report back. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3687
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:40:54 -
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Arrendis wrote:Yes, and without any independent and empirical proof for the existence of the entity they're claiming 'told' them to do it, then Lo! It's right back to 'whatever we want', because somehow, 'divine will' always seems to be benefiting the people who get to determine just what the 'divine will' is.
So it's still 'Rules are for other people, we can do whatever we want because the magical sky-fairy told us to.' Arrendis, if that's really a thing you think? Maybe take a really close look at the Sani Sabik (Blood Raiders and others) living there in Delve. That's kinda what "rules are for other people" actually looks like.
Once you can see the difference this might be a productive discussion to have. There's a connection here, but maybe not the one you think. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3370
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:47:42 -
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There's no difference, Aria. Sucking the life out of people is sucking the life out of people, whether you're literally bathing in their blood or building your family fortune off of generations of their toil. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3691
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Posted - 2017.05.04 01:07:16 -
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Arrendis wrote:There's no difference, Aria. Sucking the life out of people is sucking the life out of people, whether you're literally bathing in their blood or building your family fortune off of generations of their toil.
That's from one very particular point of view, Arrendis. I'm pretty sure you know better than to think it's the only one that's meaningful. I'd be really disappointed to be mistaken about that.
Either way, I know you too well to argue you should change your position on this. For one thing, you're clever enough to be able to see perspectives you're not speaking from, and I don't really have the energy for a battle you could probably fight with yourself. For another, you'd fight me on every point whether you really believed it or not.
You already understand the difference. Or, if, strangely, you don't, Ali can probably explain it in ways you'd be reluctant to fight her over. She had me attend her meeting with Ms. Leshrac, with a sidearm. It wasn't to protect either of them, except in the most metaphorical or spiritual sense. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
912
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Posted - 2017.05.04 04:39:35 -
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I do not like slavery very much. I have spoken against it for well over decade. However when Conclave of Providence made decisions should slavery be allowed in Providence, I, Lord Vaari voted yes. This is because if Providence even wants to pretend it is prepared for future Amarr annexation, we must have as similar society as possible. Otherwise it will be very cold ride for many of our brothers and sisters who have worked towards the goal they do not fully understand.
I, Lord Vaari also voted for creating a supervisor of slaves, whose primary duty is to ensure humane as possible treatment of slaves and forbids their abuse in too extensive ways. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2017.05.04 19:44:39 -
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Aria: I have, as you no doubt expect, a response. It is, however, off-topic. So you can find it where such things belong. |
Valkorsia
IONSTAR Yulai Federation
39
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Posted - 2017.05.05 03:32:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right?
My statement has been edited to reflect a personal position, not one of the Providence Empyrean Council. If you have any further questions, feel free to write me.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3393
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Posted - 2017.05.05 03:52:02 -
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Valkorsia wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right? My statement has been edited to reflect a personal position, not one of the Providence Empyrean Council. If you have any further questions, feel free to write me.
I'm confused. Are you saying you don't like pie? |
Erika Wallker
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2017.05.05 06:41:29 -
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Arrendis wrote:Valkorsia wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:When double standard apple drops from the double standard apple tree You know this just sounds like awesome ginormous apples that can be a whole pie by themselves, right? My statement has been edited to reflect a personal position, not one of the Providence Empyrean Council. If you have any further questions, feel free to write me. I'm confused. Are you saying you don't like pie?
I must admit that I do like cherry pie... and that is much more pleasant thought than the rest of this thread...
Pentag Blade!
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
258
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Posted - 2017.05.05 07:12:19 -
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Vaari wrote:I do not like slavery very much. I have spoken against it for well over decade. However when Conclave of Providence made decisions should slavery be allowed in Providence, I, Lord Vaari voted yes. This is because if Providence even wants to pretend it is prepared for future Amarr annexation, we must have as similar society as possible. Otherwise it will be very cold ride for many of our brothers and sisters who have worked towards the goal they do not fully understand.
I, Lord Vaari also voted for creating a supervisor of slaves, whose primary duty is to ensure humane as possible treatment of slaves and forbids their abuse in too extensive ways. We all are slaves to God.
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
915
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Posted - 2017.05.06 01:43:18 -
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In the open asteroid fields of Providence lives a alliance that has akways defended it's freedom, and so brave members swore and oath:
No more, an end to slavery or to our lives! Like our father, who fought before us. It is an honour to die for Lord Vaari This great oath, cannot break.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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