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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:23:00 -
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Hey there everyone! CenterionX here. I have been an EVE player since April of 2005.
I and Vaster Holtex formed a corporation called Synergy Syndicate. Now as happens with all of us I think I needed a break and so did Vaster. SO we took a break from the game, about 4 months.
When I returned my multi Billion dollar Corp had been given away by CCP. One of our members had petitioned that we were not active and petitioned for CEO of the corp. And they gave it to him. Now that being said, do not blame this person, I do not hold this person at fault. CCP's answer should have been NO!
Now let me make this part clear. He didnĘt "Run for CEO" as we all can do in the "Corporation" tab. He filed a petition with CCP. Now you have to understand. Vaster and I still have active accounts. Now as far as I understand it the CEO is the "owner" of the corp. So if the remaining people in a corporation cannot get the votes to take the CEO position then those items should stay where they are. They either disappear when the corporation disappears, or they are there when the owners return. The following is the response I have received:
Hi,
Unfortunately, this is a player vs. player altercation and GM's are not at liberty to get in between such matter.
I'm sorry, but we are unable to assist you in cases such as this.
Best regards, GM Daishi EVE Online Customer Support Team
Player vs Player??? I donĘt know of any other player that can without a vote take control of a corporation. I mean if we follow this course then if you find out that "BOB" has stopped playing.... you should be able to petition for his things. I know thatĘs extreme but I am quite upset.
I can not list everything that was "lost" But I know that we had 2 large Caldari towers, 2 Medium Caldari towers, 1 small Amarr Tower, 8 Moon Miners, a Complex Reactor, 2 research facilities, Approx 13 Silos, so you get the idea of what was lost here.
I wanted to post this just to warn everyone that their items may not be as safe as they think. Well I hope the best for everyone.
Take care, Cent
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Diashi
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:26:00 -
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IBTL,
and how rude of a GM to take my nick!....
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:26:00 -
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*something something rabble rabble* remove that direct quote from a GM, or a moderator will remove it for you - conversations with staff are not allowed on the forums *something something* talk to a senior GM, their decision stands *rabble*.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:26:00 -
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its your fault for going away, its likein reallife if someoen disapeared and you were effectivly running the company you coudlprobably goto court and gain ownership or something or at least be ceo, justaccept the fact that since you were'ntaround someone had to run the corp why the hell were you leaving in first place with an active corp there, you could have disbanded it first or kicked everyone.
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Minnu
Minmatar SFTW Manufacturing INC.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:27:00 -
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ibtl :)
the "moderation is not allowed to be discussed on the forums" is about to follow ------------- I build stuff :) |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:27:00 -
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If you had not paid your subscriptions and had not logged in for multiple months, what would give CCP the idea that you were ever coming back to claim it?
Seriously, you basically were declared "dead" and your control given to someone else. If they weren't there to use them most likely it would just be dead junk cluttering up the database..... <-----------> Factional Warefare:
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Slickdrac
Minmatar Replicatorz Adamant Domain
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:28:00 -
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You were gone for 4 months, what did you expect them to do, just sit around and wait for you to come back? Hell, everyone I know goes by 30 days, and you have left the game. So, you were gone for 4 times that long, someone had to run the damn thing.
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If you had not paid your subscriptions and had not logged in for multiple months, what would give CCP the idea that you were ever coming back to claim it?
The OP said they still had active accounts. They were still paying.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If you had not paid your subscriptions and had not logged in for multiple months, what would give CCP the idea that you were ever coming back to claim it?
The OP said they still had active accounts. They were still paying.
Missed that, my bad... <-----------> Factional Warefare:
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:33:00 -
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On one hand, abandoning your corp which your members helped build is a crappy thing to do, so I kinda feel you deserved it, but on the other, I am not sure what the hell CCP was thinking getting involved and that GM response is absolutely insane, though fairly typical of GM ignorance.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:34:00 -
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What in the heck?
CCP needs to... wake up... and follow their own rules...
--23 Member--
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:35:00 -
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even if you have an active account you can still be inactive, I know some people who have'nt playedinover a year and have been too lazy to cancel there subs by credit card, ccp can see your last login.
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:40:00 -
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When we left we put 2 other senior members in charge. With director rights the whole shebang. But things happen. To me its not a matter of time in game logged in or not. Its a mater of "ownership". I guess, to me, this was just the wrong way to handle it. The main reason of this post is to put the subject out there so that there can be some sort of clarification made in the EULA or the in game rules.
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St Juste
The Choir Eternal
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:40:00 -
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And there was me thinking this was going to be an "All your base are belong to us" type post. Bah. |
Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: St Juste And there was me thinking this was going to be an "All your base are belong to us" type post. Bah.
All your corps are belong to CCP, more like it.
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Brolly
Caldari Morphic field
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: St Juste And there was me thinking this was going to be an "All your base are belong to us" type post. Bah.
more like all your base POS belong to him
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly
Originally by: St Juste And there was me thinking this was going to be an "All your base are belong to us" type post. Bah.
more like all your base POS belong to him
Congratulations, that fell flat on its face.
Back on topic, seems like the OP made the best preparations he could rather than just pull out and not tell anyone. He just didn't see the screwover job coming.
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Elmo Zumwalt
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:48:00 -
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ALL the GM's need a lesson on customer service, and also quality control.
How can they say that is a player vs player issue, when the GM directly interfered? Is this just like when the devs spawned the t2 BPO's, was that merely a player vs player incident?
GM's need to get their act straigtened out; first that trade scam, and now this? I'm getting sick of this crap.
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Elmo Zumwalt ALL the GM's need a lesson on customer service, and also quality control.
How can they say that is a player vs player issue, when the GM directly interfered? Is this just like when the devs spawned the t2 BPO's, was that merely a player vs player incident?
GM's need to get their act straigtened out; first that trade scam, and now this? I'm getting sick of this crap.
USE COMMON SENSE CCP!
This is the message I wanted to send!!! But you needed the nuts and bolts of the issue for it to be a usefull post.
Thanks Elmo
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 22:59:00 -
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If you didn't log in during those 4 months, and noone was aware of the fact that you had every intention of coming back... then who came blame them... I've been in the same situation twice, where CEOs dissapeared, and taking over CEO ship was the only way to keep the corp alive... you should have made proper arrangements for the corp, that's the deal, being CEO doesn't just mean you own ****. It also means you have a responsibility towards the corp and it's members.
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys If you didn't log in during those 4 months, and noone was aware of the fact that you had every intention of coming back... then who came blame them... I've been in the same situation twice, where CEOs dissapeared, and taking over CEO ship was the only way to keep the corp alive... you should have made proper arrangements for the corp, that's the deal, being CEO doesn't just mean you own ****. It also means you have a responsibility towards the corp and it's members.
Totally agree and that is why anyone can "Run for CEO". That is what CCP had put in the game for just these sort of times. As far as taking care of the corp... Like I posted earlier we had 2 Directors that were left in charge. Not to sure what else I could do other then that.
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:05:00 -
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It would appear todays lesson is "Dont go Afk... you never know where you'll end up"
Seems odd, I mean if you take a weeks hoilday, someone can claim your inactive on your first day away and end up with all the corps assets a few days later?
Sorry to hear about the crappy situation you've managed to find youeself in ___________
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Selena 001 It would appear todays lesson is "Dont go Afk... you never know where you'll end up"
Seems odd, I mean if you take a weeks hoilday, someone can claim your inactive on your first day away and end up with all the corps assets a few days later?
Sorry to hear about the crappy situation you've managed to find youeself in
Thanks.... I'm moving on.... just thought people needed to know
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:08:00 -
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thats stupid.
it doesnt matter wheter or not the OP had active accounts or where gone a week or half a year. its his corp, and ccp cannot just give it away, it belongs to the founder/ceo - its, so to speak his "property".
if that really happend as described, that was a very bad decision made by the gm.
successfully petitoning something like that should not be possible.
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara *something something rabble rabble* remove that direct quote from a GM, or a moderator will remove it for you - conversations with staff are not allowed on the forums *something something* talk to a senior GM, their decision stands *rabble*.
Thanks... I dropped it out.... didnt see that part in the rules
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:18:00 -
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but none of your stuff in game is technically yours. The EULA states all ingame assets belong to CCP.
See where this ends up though, as it sounds like just a misjudgement of protocol in such a situation: Your assets may not be yours, but they certainly don't sound like they belong to the other guy.
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Cammulos
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Centerion X
Originally by: Ralara *something something rabble rabble* remove that direct quote from a GM, or a moderator will remove it for you - conversations with staff are not allowed on the forums *something something* talk to a senior GM, their decision stands *rabble*.
Thanks... I dropped it out.... didnt see that part in the rules
I'd recommend you take it all in stride. Most GMs are ignorant dorks in my experience, but go any further and not only will a GM rob you and give your stuff to someone else, they'll ban you too
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari What in the heck?
CCP needs to... wake up... and follow their own rules...
that would be a good start
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Oedus Caro
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: sableye its your fault for going away, its likein reallife if someoen disapeared and you were effectivly running the company you coudlprobably goto court and gain ownership or something or at least be ceo, justaccept the fact that since you were'ntaround someone had to run the corp why the hell were you leaving in first place with an active corp there, you could have disbanded it first or kicked everyone.
But it's not real life, it's a game. I agree that it would have been sensible to secure the assets before breaking, but nevertheless that GM should not have done what he or she did. At the least, an email should have been sent to the CEO inquiring after his future in EVE...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 23:45:00 -
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Reading what you wrote the GM wasn't so wrong, NOT in giving avay the CEO title (that was totally wrong), but in saying that the stholen good are a Player vs Player issue.
You had nominated 2 directors, the directors have full powers, included dismantling pos, taking items from any corp hangar and so on.
So they could have taken the above goods even if one of them hadn't gotten the CEO title.
If you and your friend have kept the corporation shares, have a majority and are still in the corp (unsure about the last part), you can run for CEO, vote yourself back, and lock all the hangars to recover what you can.
For all I know people with shares in a corp can be booted out only with a shareolder vote, so you can be still in the corporation and get that back.
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