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Xantia Gedur
House of Gedur
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:13:00 -
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I'm sure people find it annoying in this cesspool of propoganda that is called the corporations forum when kill figures are seemingly pulled out of the sky, wrapped in ego and purported as 'the truth'.
Lets say Alliance B decides not to post all its losses and decides to exaggerate its kills, how can this information be verified without doing a survey of the entire participants of the fights? Personal killboards have always been notoriously known for bias and people have a habit of 'forgetting' to post killmail losses.
Maybe it's time we ask CCP for some kind of ingame killboard system so people can look ingame for truthful statistics?
Not only would it help in anaylsing honest statistics in alliance conflicts but it would also be useful for clients of mercenaries. Mercenaries who report to thier clients (often through these boards) how much they've killed on a contract when such information is only based on thier word and could be nothing more than an exaggeration of the truth to secure a extended contract.
It doesn't even end there, with factional warfare on the horizon, the need for accurate statistics in EVE is more important than ever.
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Kane Jacobs
North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xantia Gedur I'm sure people find it annoying in this cesspool of propoganda that is called the corporations forum when kill figures are seemingly pulled out of the sky, wrapped in ego and purported as 'the truth'.
Lets say Alliance B decides not to post all its losses and decides to exaggerate its kills, how can this information be verified without doing a survey of the entire participants of the fights? Personal killboards have always been notoriously known for bias and people have a habit of 'forgetting' to post killmail losses.
Maybe it's time we ask CCP for some kind of ingame killboard system so people can look ingame for truthful statistics?
Not only would it help in anaylsing honest statistics in alliance conflicts but it would also be useful for clients of mercenaries. Mercenaries who report to thier clients (often through these boards) how much they've killed on a contract when such information is only based on thier word and could be nothing more than an exaggeration of the truth to secure a extended contract.
It doesn't even end there, with factional warfare on the horizon, the need for accurate statistics in EVE is more important than ever.
And miss out on a gazillion flamewars about stats?... Never
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:19:00 -
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follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Akyan
SH Brotherhood R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.
RISE - Diplomat
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ZenTex
Caldari Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:24:00 -
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So many things are in the pipe already. For years.
but yeah, I wholeheartedly support this. Can't be too hard to implement?
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akyan
Originally by: Sapphrine follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.
CCP have said so many things, don't hope for anything until it hits SiSi.
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:47:00 -
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I have never known an alliance to purposly(spelling) hold back kill mails.
I always stand by this statement. If I look good on your killboard I'm good. If I look good on my killboard I just look good!
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:53:00 -
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The only argument against this has always been: : eve is not counter strike, stats/e-peen waving ftl ect ect.
I dont mind everybody knowing how often I died but I dunno if I want everyone to know how bad I am at killing stuff
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:55:00 -
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I cant think of many things worse than a central killboard. The game is already too stats obsessed, just read any battle reoprt on here.
If what you want to create is a 100 bad BE clones obsessed with getting the number 1 overall spot then go right ahead.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I must of missed that one, can you please give me a link?
This board would be good if it protects some info, like time and systems. Otherwise people will be able to follow a gangs tracks around the map/find camps etc. ----
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Haks'he Lirky
8th
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Posted - 2007.05.14 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 14/05/2007 12:24:00 Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 14/05/2007 12:22:58
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Sapphrine follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I must of missed that one, can you please give me a link?
This board would be good if it protects some info, like time and systems. Otherwise people will be able to follow a gangs tracks around the map/find camps etc.
The written transcript is all messed up now it seems
linkage to transcript thread
But I got the impression that it would not be publicly available information unless you wanted it to be, and I also got the impression that the information would be XML approacable in a similar manner as the character sheet.
EDIT: oh and you can of course listen to the live dev blog where this was discussed here.
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.14 13:03:00 -
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im down with that... though i don't think that a character based thing has any "value" unless ure crazy about stats... would be interesting to have something like a centralised killboard... i hope that would help get a clear picture of what happent in a certain fight/area...
on the other hand... will be a pain to just see pages upon pages of kills somwhere as alot of ppl die in eve all in all i think it will be a good thing -------------------------------------
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 14/05/2007 13:05:30 nvm then
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.14 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Akyan
Originally by: Sapphrine follow the dev blogs :) Much of what you're asking is in the pipe already i believe.
I was going to say, if you listen to the latest live dev blog they actually take about this. They are going to be completely overhauling the kill mail system, so that you no longer recieve a mail but access it through your character datasheet. It will be then within the database rather than just a spammed out eve mail, so that they may provide an api to the data.
CCP have said so many things, don't hope for anything until it hits SiSi.
SiSi is already running a tracking of your skills as you complete them/start training them/stop training them. That's not much different than kill stats.
It's probably going to kill the killboard business though. Just depends how in-depth they're willing to take the stat tracking. We might just end up with 'You were involved in killing X-person' or 'You died to X-person' instead of a full itemized list like we get now.
We'll see when its completed what ends up being the final design to it. Til then its pointless to yap about it too much.
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.05.14 14:55:00 -
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You mean my 97.7% efficiency isn't accurate? -------------------------------------
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.14 15:09:00 -
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i like that multiple feed thinghy were ya can get km from alot killboards
this worksaslong they not posting fake mails
this way ya can put all enemies to the feed and get all ya losses to get a acurate kb .
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Chia Mulholland
Mulholland Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.14 17:08:00 -
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As long as you have an option to keep your kill stats private, I think it's a good idea.
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Declyn
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Posted - 2007.05.14 17:55:00 -
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Propaganda is the spice of this game and it's political parts so I'd rather take it as it is instead having everything centralised. |
Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.14 18:02:00 -
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its needed lets just say that
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.14 18:05:00 -
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Accurate killboards are an excellent historical record.
I would love to see CCP provide that more reliably, rather than the current systems which are limited by too many people's lack of basic integrity.
If this spawns a bunch of BE wanna-bes, so what? They have a completely valid style of play that takes advantage of in-game mechanics. If you play EVE to make isk, or run missions, control 0.0, or whatever, then I suggest you don't measure yourself on kill efficiency. Big deal.
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Gallente Caliente
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.05.14 18:43:00 -
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I understand the importance of propaganda. But that being said there is just way too much utter BS that goes on in this game. It seriously kills much of its appeal. Like it or not these forums hold a lot of power in this game and nobody likes to be forced to come here to try to make sure the truth is known, spending vast amounts of time combating lies and disinformation in order to maintain morale for it's own corp/alliance or support from its allies. There should be a way to cut through it all and just play in the damn game, and not have to devote any time to the forums unless you want to. Leave the fighting in the game. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info |
Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.14 18:56:00 -
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For some reason it seems like a very, very, very bad idea. It's free intel for everybody. And even more reason for ppl to wave their epeens.
Bad idea. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.14 19:03:00 -
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We should just do away with the game. And make EVE a database management sim. Anyone else on board? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz |
Gallente Caliente
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.05.14 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 14/05/2007 19:04:35 Perhaps a wait on the release of the kills, like 24 hours after and they would simply list who and what died, not fittings or system? ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info |
Zaolen Ying
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.14 19:29:00 -
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go to your enemies killboard to find your losses, go to your killboard to find your kills.
there, sorted
-Z
Originally by: Dark Shikari Normally, strategy is fun, because in an RTS game, you're the commander, and the peons are controlled by you.
But in EVE, you're the peon.
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Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 19:31:00 -
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I think it's a great idea and should definately be implemented.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 21:36:00 -
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Can you imagine if they just got rid of killmails? No replacement, no nothing. The world would explode lol.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.14 21:43:00 -
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The more detailed stats they give the better imo. I would love to be able to sort against every little item invovled and get extremely detailed of how any one character, corp, or alliance does against specific ship types, other players, other corps, etc. I really hate how inaccurate killboards are currently.
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Dreamstar2
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 21:54:00 -
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I don't care about KB at all... I care about: FUN (thats what we pay for after all).
Leave it for the epeens that need it for their egos.
Fine as it is right now....
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 14/05/2007 22:19:41 i think statistics encourage the wrong kind of mentality sometimes, and this would not be good for Eve. too much focus is already placed on kills rather than goals and objectives. i never really liked it when they introduced kill mails to be honest, it seems kind of weird that the galaxy would have them.
at least if they do make this "official" system, give people the option to opt out.
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.15 01:20:00 -
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no, no, and no. Oveur said there would never be such a thing as a CCP centralized killtracker, and I agree. All it will do it cause a massive e-peen race as people put the numbers on the board over anything else. There is more to conflict in the game then how many ships you kill.
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wiggyman
Caldari Gallentean Industry Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:22:00 -
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This would be great if it it wasi mplmented via eve-API. This way you could control who has access to your kill stats. IT will also help those select few (titan pilots) who have to deal with 100+ killmails. (LV titan pilot had to post 215+ didn't he?).
to sum it up. YES to killmail API NO to central killboard in game
You might be a minmatar if...
Your railguns use spent quafe cans as ammunition. You have to chase the garbage men to get your ship back on a regular basis. You spend more time duct taping your sh |
NeverL
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:26:00 -
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CCP cant do that because if they did everyone would be like OMG WTF CCP BOB DEV HAXX
because bob is for stats and trainwreck is for something else ----------------- My dream is to become the best forum warrior there is. Even better then Molle Sir. |
Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:28:00 -
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Devs have said on quite some ocassions that sometime in the future (Rev 3?) killmails will be removed and kills/losses will show on character sheet's. This would be as truthful as it gets
Originally by: CCP Wrangler To be completely honest I don't quite understand everything I'm going to say.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:28:00 -
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No point in doing anything until we can aggro people after they log out, before they disappear.
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Neena Valdi
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:32:00 -
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Fully agree with OP. The whole idea of killmails is broken in many ways. It should not be hard to make centralized DB to monitor all k/d stats and give a public access via EVE API, for example. This is the only way imho to get 100% accurate stats.
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Lawk
Hounds Of War Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 15/05/2007 02:01:35 The more detailed stats they give the better imo. I would love to be able to sort against every little item invovled and get extremely detailed of how any one character, corp, or alliance does against specific ship types, other players, other corps, etc. I really hate how inaccurate killboards are currently.
The only reason I can think of that people would not want this is because their statistics wouldn't be good and they would be emarbassed to have everyone see that. Otherwise, it really doesn't have any effect on anyone. If you don't want to see them, then don't look at them. Obviously most people want them as killboards do exsist and every major alliance uses them.
Another reason is some pilots wouldn't be able to post fake killmails anymore.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:45:00 -
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Hope they never do anything like this.
Would be absurd if they start giving out tactical information to your enemies through an official CCP source.
Maybe you don't want people to know what and who you have been killing?
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Endeva
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz No point in doing anything until we can aggro people after they log out, before they disappear.
i said before give aggro timer from NPCes also that will reduce loging from 90% to 10% probbaly. cos if you get aggro timer in pvp you should get it while npcing.atleast 5min aggro timer not 15min.
and if they started cloacking then nerf that also:P
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Solid Wilko
Minmatar InNova Tech Inc Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:50:00 -
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Good to know all of EVE will have easy access to my uber secretive setups on the rare occasions I die
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Redon
Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:55:00 -
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i think they need to fix the server issues first before they release anything else. why add more stuff when the game is half the time unplayable due to lag, desync, etc. you cant even enjoy a good 200v200 without dc'ing a zillion times.
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kittie kat
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: kittie kat on 25/07/2007 19:58:32 nm
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:06:00 -
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Necromancy is bad, mmkay.
Thank you.
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