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Khara Hirl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.05.22 17:05:07 - [1] - Quote The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic. To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming. I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver. Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this. FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 11149	Posted - 2017.05.22 17:22:51 - [2] - Quote If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Khara Hirl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2017.05.22 17:49:06 - [3] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 11149	Posted - 2017.05.22 17:56:38 - [4] - Quote Khara Hirl wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel. Okay. Got it. Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Khara Hirl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2017.05.22 17:58:30 - [5] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Khara Hirl wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel. Okay. Got it. Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels. Mr Epeen While you're correct and I don't take contracts to citadels, I think there needs to be some way to prevent this from happening at the very very least in high sec.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory. 15874	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:03:20 - [6] - Quote Khara Hirl wrote: The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic. To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming. I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver. Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this. FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY! CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out). EVE is a game, you are supposed to have to pay attention to what you are doing. When I didn't do this and ended up paying 100 million isk for a tech1 hauler I didn't run to the forums asking for help, I made myself count the damn zeros i failed to count that time, and haven't paid 100 mil for a t1 hauler since. I think people should stop asking CCP to play EVE for them.
Khara Hirl Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:08:39 - [7] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Khara Hirl wrote: The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic. To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming. I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver. Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this. FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY! CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out). EVE is a game, you are supposed to have to pay attention to what you are doing. When I didn't do this and ended up paying 100 million isk for a tech1 hauler I didn't run to the forums asking for help, I made myself count the damn zeros i failed to count that time, and haven't paid 100 mil for a t1 hauler since. I think people should stop asking CCP to play EVE for them. No no no, you don't get it, I already addressed these stupid comments, that this is just part of the game, at some point you need step back and stop being a kiss and realize this is a flawed mechanic, the only people defending this are people who are abusing it to make money. I bet you anything they already intend to fix this issue, I just needed to have my voice be heard because it's such an irresponsible thing to allow, much like plex being destroyable (bought with IRL) is no longer destroyable, why? because they are bringing in tens of thousands of new players and they know crap like that is not acceptable in today's market. Eve online is old and it may have legacy players hanging around, but odds are after this revival there are going to be far more new players then old and things will have to change to be less "hardcore" and well to be honest bullshit.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory. 15875	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:17:45 - [8] - Quote Khara Hirl wrote: No no no, you don't get it, I already addressed these stupid comments, that this is just part of the game, at some point you need step back and stop being a kiss and realize this is a flawed mechanic, the only people defending this are people who are abusing it to make money. I make space-money killing rats. I do not scam at all. But nor do I run to mommy CCP every time I screw up. The people who do this are people who cannot take responsibility for their mistake,s even in a video game. People are trying to scam us all day every day in EVE, part of the game is not falling for it and/or (as in my case) learning from it after you fall for it. You are asking CCP to fix your mistake for you, and that's wrong. Quote: I bet you anything they already intend to fix this issue, I just needed to have my voice be heard because it's such an irresponsible thing to allow, much like plex being destroyable (bought with IRL) is no longer destroyable, why? because they are bringing in tens of thousands of new players and they know crap like that is not acceptable in today's market. Eve online is old and it may have legacy players hanging around, but odds are after this revival there are going to be far more new players then old and things will have to change to be less "hardcore" and well to be honest bullshit. I can't facepalm enough at the above written crap.
Zanar Skwigelf Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 195	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:23:39 - [9] - Quote Khara Hirl wrote: eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt Answered your own question
Wanda Fayne 596	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:26:24 - [10] - Quote TBH it is a bogus feature. It erodes confidence in private stations as a viable alternative to npc stations. It is also counter-intuitive to have a player check his/her ability to dock at a citadel, accept a contract and then be summarily screwed by the owner and default on the contract. It gives the honest scammers a bad name "your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang- - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 28280	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:26:41 - [11] - Quote Citadels are player owned structures, if the owner decides to revoke permission for others to use the facilities at any time they're entirely within their rights to do so; they do own the damn thing after all. It's not a new phenomena either, people who own outposts have been able to revoke permission to use the facilities for years. Stop yer bitchin' and deal with it. TL;DR Working as intended. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Wanda Fayne 596	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:32:27 - [12] - Quote Just add a 'dropbox'. Solved. "your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang- - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 11150	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:33:40 - [13] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: It erodes confidence in private stations as a viable alternative to npc stations. Personally, I'm all for this. My high sec builders use NPC stations. They put up between four and six hundred public couriers a year. So the more likely that people aren't going to accept to citadels, the more likely I'll get my stuff in a timely manner at a reasonable price. Yeah, I know. Purely selfish reason, but it is what it is. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 33894	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:36:34 - [14] - Quote I have to agree on the PLEX part. CCP delivered a half baked patch, full of bugs and lacking essential features. Its like an Incarna of PLEX changes. Go shoot monument and stop buying PLEX from them. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Scialt Universal Sanitation Corporation 132	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:41:43 - [15] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Khara Hirl wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen No no, see what you're not getting isn't that I can't pay attention to contracts, my point is that a mechanic is in place that lets people REJECT your entry even after you have a courier contract going to that citadel, this can be fixed by allowing deliveries outside the citadel. Okay. Got it. Same solution, though. Don't accept contracts to citadels. Mr Epeen Well... to be honest I think citadel owners who do want to create legitimate contracts to their citadels would like this fix as well as the haulers. You are correct that not taking those contracts does fix the problem for the hauler... but having to schlep stuff from a NPC station to a citadel isn't exactly convenient for the person requesting a delivery either (if they are legit). Having a box outside a citadel to drop deliveries in seems like a fix that is similar enough to existing mechanics in the game that it could be easily achieved. Doesn't mean you can't still gank the person delivering the item that you requested... but it at least gives the hauler a shot at delivery and makes it into a contest.
Gaia Ma'chello V.I.C.E. 149	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:45:46 - [16] - Quote I actually like the idea of being able to have courier contracts completed without docking. It means I can have stuff delivered to me without having to worry that in doing so I would be letting an enemy dock in my station.
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 199	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:04:40 - [17] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: If this becomes a big problem, people will simply stop taking those contracts. It's self correcting. No need to howl for CCP because you don't bother to check the drop off location and get blapped. Mr Epeen Problem is when all the stations are gone there will not be an overly good way around this.
Shawn en Tilavine Unity of Suns Warped Intentions 16	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:11:02 - [18] - Quote BREAKING NEWS: CCP makes the game; players make the rules. Whatever rule CCP chooses to impose, good players will find ways to exploit it to their benefit. Nothing new here. Works as intended. The three most critical attributes required of this game are: 1. Attitude 2. Effort 3. Intelligence. Failing any of these, the Newbro is on a path of certain futility and frustration. The OP has had the benefit of many people sharing the obvious errors in his/her decision making, their clear lack of understanding of the fundamental game mechanics as regards contracts and Citadels, their failure to learn from their mistakes and, probably most disturbing, the unwillingness to accept responsibility for one's own choices. And yet, the OP's intransigence only grows more fierce and persistent. The tools are available in game to avoid being scammed. One only need avail themselves of them to avoid being taken advantage of. That you have failed to grasp that concept, is on you, and only you. This game was succeeding long before you showed up and will continue to thrive long after you're gone. Good Luck! Respectfully Submitted *"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."*
March rabbit Mosquito squadron The-Culture 2182	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:32:05 - [19] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Khara Hirl wrote: The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic. To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming. I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver. Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this. FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY! CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out). Citadel owners will thank you A LOT when all of players will follow your advice "ignore citadels" The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1857	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:32:49 - [20] - Quote Why would CCP change it? It was the same way for Null Stations and Outpost, why wouldn't Citadels be the same way? If you look at the contact destination it says "Destination may not be accessible." or some such thing. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory. 15876	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:35:05 - [21] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Why would CCP change it? It was the same way for Null Stations and Outpost, why wouldn't Citadels be the same way? If you look at the contact destination it says "Destination may not be accessible." or some such thing. Because it ain't fair man, I mean no one reads that warning anyways, who reads signs now adays?
Wanda Fayne 597	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:05:24 - [22] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Why would CCP change it? It was the same way for Null Stations and Outpost, why wouldn't Citadels be the same way? If you look at the contact destination it says "Destination may not be accessible." or some such thing. Because logic says that I check to see if I can access the citadel before accepting the contract? And because choosing "not to play" should never be a design goal... "your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang- - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
March rabbit Mosquito squadron The-Culture 2182	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:17:44 - [23] - Quote There can be another solution: make owner of delivery contract unable to know who's deliverer until contract is failed. Yeah, this makes life inconvenient for owners but hey, you always can negotiate something privately? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 33896	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:26:09 - [24] - Quote Citadels should be or not be accessible, not may or may not be accessible. There should be an easy way to check it remotely and in the show info panel, and there should be time delay when switching modes, and it should be visible as sheduling in show info panel. Every real, not trollish system works like that. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 28281	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:30:50 - [25] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Khara Hirl wrote: The ability for someone to lock you out of a plex/citadel after accepting a courier contract, in my opinion is absolutely abuse of a game mechanic. To me this is straight up mechanical abuse and the fact that CCP lets this type of activity go on, is absolutely disparaging to new players and disgusting to old players. This is NOT how to run a game, just because scamming is allowed doesnt mean you allow/design game mechanics to specifically allow scamming. I have a solution and it's very very simple, allow couriers to right click their package with in 2500m of the citadel/plex and select deliver. Why would CCP continue to allow this type of abuse, aren't you wanting new players to come into your game and stay? This isn't part of the whole "eve is hardcore, rah rah rah, get used to it rah rah rah, salt salt salt" Take this lesson to heart because you nearly killed your game by not listening to the silent majority but listening to the vocal minority when it comes to crap like this. FIX DELIVERING TO PLEX/CITADELS IMMEDIATELY! CCP please fix a problem i could fix for myself with a simple adjustment of personal policy (ie don't do couriers from Citadels/player owned structures period, then they can't lock you out). Citadel owners will thank you A LOT when all of players will follow your advice "ignore citadels" I sense an opening for Chribba here, holding security deposits for honest citadel owners. Player driven solutions are more desirable in a sandbox game that dev driven ones. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Teckos Pech Amok. Goonswarm Federation 6492	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:39:50 - [26] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Why would CCP change it? It was the same way for Null Stations and Outpost, why wouldn't Citadels be the same way? If you look at the contact destination it says "Destination may not be accessible." or some such thing. I am reporting this outrageous post! Asking people to read the pops that warn them they are taking on more risk? Perposterous! "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 306	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:56:51 - [27] - Quote Yeah it should be fixed.
Skorpynekomimi 674	Posted - 2017.05.22 21:04:40 - [28] - Quote Wanda Fayne wrote: Just add a 'dropbox'. Solved. This. Make it like real-world courier jobs; if nobody answers, they leave it on the doorstep for passing opportunist thieves, leave it with a neighbour (so they can steal it) or take it back to the depot for re-delivery the next day. So, if you can't get to the location, leave it in another station/complex in the system, and zugzug, job's done. Shouldn't be that hard to change a few mechanics? Economic PVP
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 627	Posted - 2017.05.22 21:52:44 - [29] - Quote You got scammed , while I as a carebear agree it's dirty it is what makes eve, eve. Accept this as a lesson, grow because of it, never ever accept any courier contract without the ability to take the loss of the product, if you are putting big isk on the gambling table remember the rules, most of the time the house wins. Sell the item, do the same and contract it below it's worth, someone will steal it and you get some of your isk back.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 5852	Posted - 2017.05.22 22:11:52 - [30] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Citadels should be or not be accessible, not may or may not be accessible. There should be an easy way to check it remotely and in the show info panel, and there should be time delay when switching modes, and it should be visible as sheduling in show info panel. Every real, not trollish system works like that. EVE is a game about griefing. All new system must be designed so it allows the gratuitous griefing of someone. That's the real spirit of EVE, and CCP are the largest griefers of all.



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