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Veran Nijoba
Amarr Ihatalo Internal Security Ihatalo Cartel
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:05:00 -
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Ahh! The Learning Skills Question..
I'm just curious... is it already posted somewhere about the best order to Train the Learning skills in?
Such as Analytical mind before empathy?
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Ms Essence
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:15:00 -
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Try reading the stickied topic near the top of this page - Attributes & Skills - The New Guide (Revelations Update). 2nd post down.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/05/2007 23:22:40 Edited by: SiJira on 14/05/2007 23:20:27 if you want to go all out learning then go like this skip anything you already have
learning 1 - instant 1 - analytical 1
*if you are rich this is where you do science 3 and cybernetics 1 after wich you imput basic implants
instant 2 - learning 2 - analytical 2
*this is where if you are poor you get science level 3 and cybernetics 1 after wich you get limited implants
instant 3 - analytical 3 - learning 3
*this is where if you are super rich you can train science level 3 and cybernetics level 4/5 for +4/+5 implants
instant 4 - eidetic memory 1 2 3 - analytical 4 - logic 1 2 3
learning 4 - eidetic memory 4 - logic 4
instant recall 5 - analytical mind 5 - learning 5
eidetic memory 5 - logic 5* (skip this if you will be training non learning skills in between all this)
that up there is what you will need to learn all the basic learning skills the fastest - that order These you simply do in this order for simplicity since they dont affect each other
empathy 1 - iron will 1 - spatial awareness 1
empathy 2 - iron will 2 - spatial awareness 2
empathy 3 - iron will 3 - spatial awareness 3
empathy 4 - iron will 4 - spatial awareness 4
here presence (charisma) affects focus (willpower) affects clarity (perception) affects presence (charisma) if you 100% know for a fact that you will never need any charisma then just do presence up to level 2 because the time it takes saves itself a few times over for the other two if you know you will use some charisma you might as well get it down right
presence 1 - focus 1 - clarity 1
presence 2 - focus 2 - clarity 2
presence 3 - focus 3 - clarity 3
focus 4 - clarity 4 - persence 4
*(insert eidetic memory 5 - logic 5 here if you skipped it at the start)
focus 5 - clarity 5 - presence 5
Depending on when you got the implants the lvl 1-3 learning / analytical / instant can be switched around but really only make a couple hours difference - this was calculated for the poor man so you can adjust it if you are the super rich starting a new character ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Veleck
Gallente Fringe Financial and Industries Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:05:00 -
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http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.15 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 15/05/2007 08:35:16
On a brand new Engineer alt char (starts with Science L3, Learning L1, Basic Int L4, Basic Mem L2) on which you want to train for about two years afterwards (so, L4 advanceds kind of mandatory):
Cybernetics L1 (half hour) -> plug in implants (+3 MEM mandatory, +3 INT advisable, at least +2 INT mandatory, rest optional, FOR NOW)
Advanced Int L1 Learning L2 Advanced Int L2 Basic Mem L3 Learning L3 Advanced Int L3 Basic Mem L4 Advanced Mem L1, L2, L3 Learning L4 Advanced Mem L4 Advanced Int L4
(HERE you can go for L4 or even L5 Cybernetics and plug in a set of +4 or +5 INT/MEM implants, get L1 Infomorph Psych first and rotate to fresh jumpclone to preserve "backup" implants... or you can just skip L4/L5 cyber and stick with +3 implants)
Basic Mem L5 Basic Int L5 Learning L5 Basic Cha/Wil/Per L1->L5 (except maybe Cha, can leave it at L4 if you want)
On the ones above, basics don't matter in which order you train them.
(HERE, if you only had INT/MEM implants plugged in, you HAVE to plug in the rest of the implants)
Advanced Cha/Wil/Per L1->L4 (except maybe Cha, leave at L2/L3 if you like)
On advanceds, pick the "fastest" rising one first (the one that takes the least time to train at L1), then get L1 in the one which secondary is the one you just trained, and keep going "in a triangle" until you have the desired end-result (desired levels). ___
That's the "absolute optimal" you can get. Of course, you can do some or all L5s advanced too, but to be honest, it's only worth it if you plan to keep the character for more than a year, even if you only train SOME L5s, not all (the ones you need for your specialisations). _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Mike Yagon
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.15 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Veleck http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
It does not hurt to understand how it works in the background.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:22:00 -
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Also, there was a good thread saying that basically, unless you're going to be playing for 4 years+, the time you spend training the advanced to 5 isn't worth it.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Also, there was a good thread saying that basically, unless you're going to be playing for 4 years+, the time you spend training the advanced to 5 isn't worth it.
yeah only the advanced 5
but if you are after total sp you should definitely get them also when some people sell them off it helps
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.18 17:31:00 -
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always remember to follow the order in a custom way ie getting perception first if you are about to use it because we all know hardly anyone does all the learning skills at once ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Krissam
Caldari Danish Space bees
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Posted - 2007.05.18 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira always remember to follow the order in a custom way ie getting perception first if you are about to use it because we all know hardly anyone does all the learning skills at once
actually i did perc/will/cha from 1/0 to 4/4 in one go :p
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.19 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Krissam
Originally by: SiJira always remember to follow the order in a custom way ie getting perception first if you are about to use it because we all know hardly anyone does all the learning skills at once
actually i did perc/will/cha from 1/0 to 4/4 in one go :p
i am trying to do that as well :) ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Elhina Novae
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.20 11:52:00 -
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I have only played for a month or so. I realised quickly that Learning skills is what i needed in order to train everything else faster. So when I play I train other skills that I want/need. And on my off time I train the Learning skills and possibly other skills that takes long which i desperately need.
Analytical Mind 4 Eidetic Memory 4 Empathy 1 Focus 1 Instant Recall 5 Iron Will 1 Learning 4 Logic 3 Spatial Awareness 2
is my progress so far All my basic skills will be trained to level 5 and the advanced to level 4. The Charisma learning skills will wait for later as I don't have any great use of it at the moment. I have other priorities than training my Charisma.
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elhina Novae I have only played for a month or so. I realised quickly that Learning skills is what i needed in order to train everything else faster. So when I play I train other skills that I want/need. And on my off time I train the Learning skills and possibly other skills that takes long which i desperately need.
Analytical Mind 4 Eidetic Memory 4 Empathy 1 Focus 1 Instant Recall 5 Iron Will 1 Learning 4 Logic 3 Spatial Awareness 2
is my progress so far All my basic skills will be trained to level 5 and the advanced to level 4. The Charisma learning skills will wait for later as I don't have any great use of it at the moment. I have other priorities than training my Charisma.
Getting Empathy to 3 will probably save you more time when training Focus to 4 than it takes.
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Jason Arbitor
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Posted - 2007.05.21 18:13:00 -
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I guess it is me and my view in absolute times vs % times saved when it comes to training.
If a skill takes 7 days now or 5 days after training learning skills for 30 days, thsi is not real just an example, you still would have to train 5 more days. In a fraction of the time to train up the learnign skills you could have trained yoru 7 days skill along with many other "useful" skills that would help you be better playing the game.
A friend online told me when I started that learnign skills over all take a very long time to show any real time savings. I happen to agree with that.
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