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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:46:00 -
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This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 14/05/2007 23:52:15 Maybe it has got to do with the fact that about 20 of your people camped the Sylph Outpost last night...
Edit: took out the exaggeration I added at the end as I realized it would just come across wrong and act as a flamebait.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Up until this point Sylph claims to be operating against us separate of CVA. This just shows that this is no longer true...if it ever was.
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
Mhmm, shooting at them does have that effect on people. Nevermind, I'm sure the 'fight for freedom' will sway them to once again look upon the bountiful efforts of the Ushra'Khan with joy.
Actually, considering the present company of pirates and all manner of scum I think that might be slightly unlikely. Nevermind.
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Lowanaera
Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:20:00 -
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Funny, they weren't in our gang, weren't taking orders from us, and in fact were making it harder for us to keep Fleshdiver from playing his usual dock/undock games. Seems pretty much like they're just tired of you and the pirates you have allowed to harass them for too long, and are actively trying to hasten your demise, whether we ask for them to be there or include them in our operations or not.
You have angered those who were happily your neighbors, and they finally see you now for what you truly are: terrorists, blasphemers, and short-sighted fools that seek only power in the name of an ideal of "freedom" they little understand. Those who have had their clouded minds cleared by His enlightenment are usually quick to turn to the work of destroying those who will not serve Him.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Avious Tylepthine Up until this point Sylph claims to be operating against us separate of CVA. This just shows that this is no longer true...if it ever was.
I imagine that up until this point Ushra'Khan have also not run offensive operations into Sylph space.
Once again, the actions of Ushra'Khan drive the sympathies of an organization towards the CVA. Once again, Ushra'Khan complain when it happens.
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Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:35:00 -
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They were also in your POSes today too
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 00:47:21
Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
coming from a group that has sold them selves to pirates to save their last station which presently is more important than the cause...thats a bit hard to swallow.
maybe, just maybe, Sylph don't want to stand by when alliances that will let pirates roam free just for the dubious safety of not being shot at? at least not for the moment.
then again maybe it has something to do with Ushra'khan attacking them. kinda like when Ushra'Khan attacked NOS...
either way you have a long, long, long (long) way to clime from your gutter before you can call anyone "lowest form of scum"
go back to your placating the pirates that are just barely keeping what once was the Ushra'Khan alive, maggot.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
hal 5000
Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:09:00 -
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Quote: go back to your placating the pirates that are just barely keeping what once was the Ushra'Khan alive, maggot.
Wow, and you dare call yourself a Minmatar! Coward.
We stand and fight against all forms of slavery and that includes supporters. The universe would be kidding itself if it believed UK was making the area worse for haulers, traders, miners and all other free pilots. The fact is were one of a mere few who are holding this area for free pilots everywhere. We have seen your idea of freedom and what is ôacceptableö in your society. We will not let you forge into our space looking for new slaves (A clear sign more of us are being freed every day) and you scum setting up shop is not something we can allow to happen.
As far as your insult toward Maggot and UK, it is a simple fact that you will never know a better commander or fight a braver group of pilots, so show some respect. After all, we donÆt take slaves, or prisoners for that matter. -H5 and still alive.
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:46:00 -
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It comes down to this:
Respect for us and our fight brought the "pirates'" offers of help (which was initially just an offer of non-aggression which turned to help when things turned sour) to our doorstep. Respect for their skill, professionalism, and agreement to operate Not-Red-Don't-Shoot in our highest travelled access to Empire made us very willing and able to accept that help. A brotherhood in arms in our most important duty, while simultaneously making a bit more space safer than it was.
Anger with us for casting off the CONCORD badges around our sovereign territory is what has turned our former allies against us. The "pirates" were operating according to their own agendas in the region beforehand. We have always done what we could to police our area of Providence, but this allocation of resources was crippling our fight against slavery. By coming to an agreement with the skilled pilots of Einherjar Rising, enemies of Sylph, we were in no different waters than Sylph themselves, who had for many weeks prior already reached a similar agreement with CVA, enemies of Ushra'Khan. Yet somehow, our agreement was so much more abhorrent. Sylph and Hammer's Republic do not help us against CVA, we do not help them with Einherjar, and we do not shoot each other.
That was how it was until we were threatened. Unless our agreement with Einherjar was reversed, we were told our "allies" would side with our mortal enemies, and wipe us out. All Ushra'Khan hostility in these cases is simply an equal and opposite reaction to decisions made by former allies against us.
We have proven less weak than they had hoped. Now Sylph are given forcefield passwords to CVA Towers, and attack us in concert with them, while wailing on these channels about how their conflict with us is their own.
Weak. Drivel, from traiterous liars. Those with eyes to see know you for what you are.
AMMATAR!
Regardless of the outcome of this most recent twist in our conflict against the Golden Loyalist Fleets, everyone will be reminded once again of a long standing truth:
Minmatar do not soon forget the faces of traitors.
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Derius Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 12:08:00 -
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LMAO@UK Either your totally stupid or perhaps you think people reading this are. You and your BUM chums pushed Sylph into this and then start crying about it. I wish Sylph and all the other like minded corps and alliances involved all the best in their fight against piracy and look forward to the day when stability is restored to the region.
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Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: hal 5000
Wow, and you dare call yourself a Minmatar! Coward.
So any minmatar that is not RP'ing, or actively fighting slavery is a coward? Great way to win more people for your cause!
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We stand and fight against all forms of slavery and that includes supporters. The universe would be kidding itself if it believed UK was making the area worse for haulers, traders, miners and all other free pilots. The fact is were one of a mere few who are holding this area for free pilots everywhere. We have seen your idea of freedom and what is ôacceptableö in your society. We will not let you forge into our space looking for new slaves (A clear sign more of us are being freed every day) and you scum setting up shop is not something we can allow to happen.
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Derius Khan LMAO@UK Either your totally stupid or perhaps you think people reading this are. You and your BUM chums pushed Sylph into this and then start crying about it. I wish Sylph and all the other like minded corps and alliances involved all the best in their fight against piracy and look forward to the day when stability is restored to the region.
Crying?
We are hungry.
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:28:00 -
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Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
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Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Occasus Vim Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
No, you are not concord. And I'm very willing believe you have a secure route. But most people don't go to 0.0 just to sit in another station, no matter how many exotic dance clubs it has (yes, i've seen the pictures :p). FYI, I can stand on my own (been doing it for quite some time), and I don't pick battles. I just can't wrap my head around saying you keep your space for free pilots, and then not being alowed to travel outside your protected route without being chased off. This has nothing to do with expecting protection, not at all.
oh and btw: if you would be my neighbours, I'm sure I'd try to help you. I don't like the amarr scum any more then you do. I'm just questioning the way you treat people and neutral pilots in your space. --- Vic
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Solusar on 15/05/2007 14:12:12
Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
Im sure your new allies ev0ke deciding to doomsday a fleet of Sylph ships had nothing to do with this. No wait....
Im sure BUM flying around sylph space attacking them daily had nothing to do with this. No wait....
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Insightful, meaningful comment by a bitter race traitor...
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Insightful, meaningful comment by a bitter race traitor...
*imagines a scene from a book involving dwarves, a hobbit and some large stone objects in a clearing....*
I take it you weren't around in the era of the mighty Ushra'Khan leader who inspire numerous planet bound matari to relocate in support of that once great but now sold off alliance?
ah Ushra'khan, you aren't teaching your nubs their history lessons!
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:49:00 -
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id like to remind the audiance that it was sylp setting us red while we still respected there neutrality. they decided to be neutral in our conflict and setted us red the moment we stayed neutral in there conflicts. sylp explained the red standings with uk shooting a ally of them, one who stole sovereignity from uk and refused to give it back and intentionaly provoked a conflict by doing so. it was a disput over one system, not compareable with a war. sylp decided to take the oportunity to escalate our neutral relations to a hostile one. as for maggots anouncement, it was done in the light of the fact that, till yesterday, sylp still stated on daily base that they are no combatant in the struggle over 9u. sylp thought that uk would be removed from providence within a week or two after cva started the assault on UNITY, they where in a big hurry to try to get alligned with the suspected winner. what ever gets down on sylp from UK side is a direct response on sylps actions
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:05:00 -
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I have had much respect for Sylph and their situation. They always stated that they would remain neutral in this conflict until an official position was to be taken. It is a shame that they don't stand by their word. Entering the conflict without any word just by adding their ships to the slaver's fleet is not the way a honourable warrior should act.
Either way the decision has obviously been taken. So be it. On the battlefield your stand needs no further explaination.
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Derius Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:13:00 -
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After a bit of background checking I came across a very illuminating thread on Sylphs public forum. If anyone is interested you can read the full story at http://www.sylph-alliance.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1670. The thread contains all the relevant details from both UK and Sylph leadership without too much flaming and chest beating (at least not in the first couple of pages) It also contains an admission that UK set sylph to red first. Taken in this context its easy to see how Sylph have been pushed into the current situation by UK and friends and exposes a hiden agena. Perhaps this agenda is to make room for UK's new friends to lay down roots? All I know for certain is that UK have sold out thier honour and beliefs.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Derius Khan After a bit of background checking I came across a very illuminating thread on Sylphs public forum. If anyone is interested you can read the full story at http://www.sylph-alliance.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1670. The thread contains all the relevant details from both UK and Sylph leadership without too much flaming and chest beating (at least not in the first couple of pages) It also contains an admission that UK set sylph to red first. Taken in this context its easy to see how Sylph have been pushed into the current situation by UK and friends and exposes a hiden agena. Perhaps this agenda is to make room for UK's new friends to lay down roots? All I know for certain is that UK have sold out thier honour and beliefs.
With respect, bull. As the U'K representative in the conversation speaking with Ktor and Mortim, Sylph clearly stated: 1. U'K were neutral to start with from that point 2. If U'K engaged Slammers they would set us red
It was then clearly stated that U'K had set Slammers red for the theft of a system from U'K.
Sylph were asked to state their position and it responded by stating that they already had stated their position.
As a result of Sylph's policy dictating that U'K were red, U'K matched their red.
Given you are linking a thread only viewable by those registered on the Sylph board I can only assume that you have involvement in these events but forget to state your allegiance in your tag.
Sylph's bed is now well and truly made and they have done what they consistently claimed they wouldn't do. they have dropped their neutrality in favour of survival. I stil await an official statement of intent mind but their pilots are making a fairly clear statement hiding inside CVA shields and involving themselves in offensive operations in conjunction with our mortal enemy.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 15/05/2007 16:42:59 Who are you Derius Khan. State your allegiance before questioning mine. I know Tomahawk Bliss, though he also tries to hide, as a dishonored Amarran sympathiser. Who are you? --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 15/05/2007 16:42:59 Who are you Derius Khan. State your allegiance before questioning mine. I know Tomahawk Bliss, though he also tries to hide, as a dishonored Amarran sympathiser. Who are you?
hide my views do I?
I don't know, I've been called a lot of thing, but to suggest I am not open about my views on the trash pile of a republic...well that is just ignorant.
When you speak of honor with pirates standing beside you, I can't help but laugh. the Ushra'khan sold its honor to try and save its last outpost. but it was enlightening to learn how much your honor was worth.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:50:00 -
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Strange. Every Ushra'Khan here keeps on saying sylph is helping cva. The one representative of CVA says they even prohibited them from operating correctly.
Something's obviously not right here...
I'm looking forward to what sylph has to say about this...
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 15/05/2007 17:53:54
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
Originally by: Occasus Vim Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
No, you are not concord. And I'm very willing believe you have a secure route. But most people don't go to 0.0 just to sit in another station, no matter how many exotic dance clubs it has (yes, i've seen the pictures :p). FYI, I can stand on my own (been doing it for quite some time), and I don't pick battles. I just can't wrap my head around saying you keep your space for free pilots, and then not being alowed to travel outside your protected route without being chased off. This has nothing to do with expecting protection, not at all.
oh and btw: if you would be my neighbours, I'm sure I'd try to help you. I don't like the amarr scum any more then you do. I'm just questioning the way you treat people and neutral pilots in your space. --- Vic
I concur with this man (vic)(aside form the Amarr scum bit), but would go one step further in suggesting that you encourage groups like Einjard Rising (or however you spell it) to pirate along certain routes so as to actively close down the region to anyone who might possibly be hostile whether they werre or weren't.
And it works, don't get me wrong, just don't deny it
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:17:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan have maintained their integrity from my stand point as well as others. My alliance mates and I operate with respect to UK's wishes while we are in their space.
Say what you want about UK's allies, it falls on deaf ears by the way, but they are in charge and hold those in their sovereign space to the same rules as they do. Their honor and cause are far above any other priority or action. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC! |
Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
I don't know, I've been called a lot of thing, but to suggest I am not open about my views on the trash pile of a republic...well that is just ignorant.
When you speak of honor with pirates standing beside you, I can't help but laugh. the Ushra'khan sold its honor to try and save its last outpost. but it was enlightening to learn how much your honor was worth.
Before you even speak of honour, you should have some. You are worse than trash. You should speak with some semblance of knowledge of the current situation before you judge others you pathetic excuse for a minmatar.
As for honour, I'd like to know where Slyph was when so many enemies were surrounding our borders. As we tried to maintain some semblance of order along the 3 seperate entrances from Empire to 9UY, where were they? Their involvement in the beginning stages of the first real invasion into 9UY was appreciated but like it has been said, what have you done for me lately? I believe that old debts of honour were settled long ago by the efforts made to keep those hositile forces away from 9UY while Slyph settled further ahead of them. Don't speak of them as if they are standing on some moral high ground. I have saved Unity station from more dangers that no one knows about that I can count and two of them involved Slyph attempting to ally with others from the behind the scenes. Yes, I know about those but my word prevents me from shedding light upon it.
As for flying with pirates, they have far more fighting spirit than any of those you refer to as our former allies ever did, including when said 'allies' wanted to fight against them but never did. I may not agree with their politics or views, and I may not have agreed with the decision made by council to work with them (but then I have hardly ever agreed with them on anything), but I cannot argue with their effectiveness.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:48:00 -
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No bliss. You do not hide your views. It is your allegiance that is not plainly stated. Are you still with Intaki Union? And what banner does Intaki Union fly under now that they have left Aegis Militia, so I heard? Your claim to speak as a Minmatar but you fly with the enemies of the Minmatar. This is why whenever you speak your words ring hollow.
As to Sylph, it was with sadness that I heard that our comradeship had turned sour. The Slammers are revelling in their new found slaver status, and these are the people who you sided with, they too we fought for against IAC. Even though Maggot offered you diplomancy, this has failed, you have made your choice. So be it. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Black Necris
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Posted - 2007.05.15 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Black Necris on 15/05/2007 23:16:29 Bliss, you claim to know something you are not witness off.
I was there the day Alois Hammer (slammers republic) refused to return the system they stole from us. I was in the system in question trying to persuade Alois of not taking his ppl to the path that would only bring them to their doom.
It was during that conversation with Alois that Sylph decided to set us UK as red, claiming that they would support the Slammers Republic claim for that system, exactly one day before the atack on 9UY from CVA (any coincidences???).
I was there in local and talking with Alois when a gang of +30 Sylph came into the system to mock 4 UK's and bloathing about how they where now where red to us, and belive me, they where still blue to me.
I was talking to them in local comms and to resume i simply asked "will sylph shoot at me if i warp to a gate???" (they being blue to me still) and the anwser was yes... my answer to them??? "well then ill shoot sylph also"
If you ask me, im happy they set us as red, cose now they finally choosed a side, even if they try to pull magician tricks to say we set them to red first.
And to you Bliss, i want to ask you not to affirm something you dont have proofs off, i for instance have proofs of my claims...
*Black Necris asks Aurora to search for the local comunications on the day in question.
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Lieutenant Jackson
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 02:57:14 i wont speak for Sylph but i know what i've experienced over the past month or so that i have been in Sylph space. We tried to be neutral and stay out of the fight, then UK employed the help of many known pirate corps, and that would have been fine with me except for the the fact the UK does not care who they attack, be it their. "former allies" or CVA or some poor neutral just trying to travel through the space. so what does UK expect their "former allies" to do?
sit around and get shot at and loose Industrial ships full of assests with out trying to stop them, and when they were out classed or out numbered they ran to UK space and docked at Unity. and more often than not the Sylph Gang would go back to Prom. only to have a small gang come back in and kill off some more "former aliies" i dont see how you could, with a straight face say that you didnt want a fight...
you wanted us to pick a side, and as far as im concerned im not siding with a alliance that harbors Pirates that prey on the weak and defenseless, then preach about freedom... like to remind you that i do not speak for Sylph just myself. but i think this has all happened from UK letting pirates into the region and giving them a place to hide/dock/whatever.
I know that you guys are Role players and thats fine but Sylph is not, and we were trying to stay out of your war, i know that because we were blue to both CVA and UK and had orders to not engage joint BUM(who are Red and UK knew they were Red, not to mention pirates) and UK gangs roaming in OUR space before we set you to red. now if thats not hostilities towards Sylph then i must be crazy.
It was all of UK's pirate friends, who have "great fighting skills" or however UK wants put it that have forced Sylph to make a move. and as far as i have seen Sylph has given UK every opportunity to ask their pirates "helpers" to stop attacking their "former allies" and have they, no. because why? because we wont help them in their war that we have no desire to get involved in?? so Sylph wont help UK fight CVA, so UK lets their "friends" attack their allies to force them to do what UK wants. seems to me that UK has said alot about themselves by trying to blame Sylph for responding to your pirate friends.
That is all i will say on this matter because whats done is done, just i think that needed to be said. from someone who has lost many million ISK in Badger loads and ships to pirates that UK supports and harbors. fly safe. Lieutenant Jackson {O-OPS} <Sylph> |
EveJoker
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 03:51:00 -
[34]
So instead sylph chooses to ally and very promptly come to the aid of cva and their pirate mates IAC.
You couldnt of sunk the knife in the back, or twisted it harder if you tried.
Your own actions speak louder than words sylph.
OFC now that your long suspected position is clear now It will be with great pleasure that we exterminate your alliance of slaver sympathisers.
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Vistoxia Marigos
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Posted - 2007.05.17 04:13:00 -
[35]
Quote: I know that you guys are Role players and thats fine but Sylph is not,
Everyone has their role to play, you should find your role in the universe, you have a role regardless of if you know it or not.
Quote: i know that because we were blue to both CVA and UK and had orders to not engage joint BUM(who are Red and UK knew they were Red, not to mention pirates) and UK gangs roaming in OUR space before we set you to red. now if thats not hostilities towards Sylph then i must be crazy.
I am missing something here, You were blue to CVA & UK, yet us being blue to BUM even though you are red to them is an act of hostility? UK passing through your space, when set to blue? an act of hostility? I shall call you crazy.
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Parsor Evarkis
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 04:24:00 -
[36]
^ Message was from me, must have been a mixup in the FTL transmitions
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Lieutenant Jackson
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 04:48:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 04:47:44 Edited by: Lieutenant Jackson on 17/05/2007 04:46:33 Yes.... that is hostility... when a "ally" comes into our space in the same gang as an enemy and they seem to work in tandem, looking for easy kills, yes. it is. when we were blue to UK and CVA. obviously we were Red to BUM due to their pirate affiliation. same way UK perceived Sylph working together with CVA as hostility on Sylph's part, which we arn't, and we went in only after we were both set to red and UK came into IS...... dont know if i made that clear in previous post. sorry. im not crazy. Lieutenant Jackson {O-OPS} <Sylph> |
Taters
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 06:08:00 -
[38]
Before this recent escalation of hostilities in providence, heres how it was.
Sylph had NAPs with both U'K and CVA. U'K had NAPs with both Sylph and BUM.
CVA used sylph space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at promethia) BUM used U'K space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at unity)
BUM shot at Sylph CVA shot at U'K
Sylph did nothing to limit CVA shooting at U'K (who they were blue with) U'K did nothing to limit BUM shooting at Sylph (who they were blue with)
U'K understood that Sylph could do nothing to stop CVA shooting U'K Sylph expected U'K to stop BUM shooting Sylph.
As a result, one of U'K's systems sovereignty was stolen by Slammer's Republic (who were blue to both Sylph and U'K). U'K engaged in diplomatic talks with Slammer's, who refused to return the system, accepting no diplomatic solution.
U'K sets Slammer's to red for stealing sov. Sylph sets U'K to red in response. U'K sets Sylph red.
What happens from here has been explained in many different ways in many different places. Joint U'K/BUM gangs raid sylph space, Sylph attack U'K assets, Sylph spotted in slaver gangs in 9uy (and later in slaver POS' in 9uy).
At least finally now Sylph have displayed their intentions, and their true colours. U'K had done nothing to Sylph that Sylph had not done to U'K. The hypocrisy starts where Sylph expects U'K (while under siege by slavers as well as all the local pirate rabble) to police Slyph systems against BUM, while they run haulers to Slaver stations.
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EveJoker
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 06:09:00 -
[39]
Like in the same way UK was red to IAC, but blue to you? Stones in glasshouses and all.
UK put up with this knowing the IAC vs UK was nothing to do with you. Did we complain when they went to Sylph space?
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 07:58:00 -
[40]
Taters has just explained it all as clearly as I think it can possibly be.
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BCBArclight
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:09:00 -
[41]
Slight flaw in your logic there:
CVA's allies didnt pirate neutrals and slyph UK's allies pirated everyone
UK and CVA were both allowed to dock at Prom (I think). If UK's allies would have not pirated sylph they too would have been allowed to dock (guessing)
All this started with pirates attacking sylph
If CVA's allies did pirate I can most likly say CVA would get the same treatment.
*my views are my own and do not reflect Sylph's
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:11:00 -
[42]
You chimps post too much. ----------------------------------------------
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GoddessHekate
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:16:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Gaius Kador You chimps post too much.
lol
Agreed.
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Morden Nok
Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Taters Before this recent escalation of hostilities in providence, heres how it was.
As usual, Ushra'Khan are misrepresenting situation:
Originally by: Taters
Sylph had NAPs with both U'K and CVA. U'K had NAPs with both Sylph and BUM.
Wrong.
Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue. UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.
Originally by: Taters
CVA used sylph space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at promethia) BUM used U'K space (as a thoroughfare, and could dock at unity)
Wrong again.
CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR as it was shortest route. During QR-campaign CVA were under direct orders NOT to dock at Prometheia. Basing out of Promethia would have forced Sylph to take sides as UK would have claimed that allowing CVA to base out from Promethia would have been act of aggression towards UK and that no honourable ally would do that. Which is viewpoint that I completely understand.
BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK. Though considering UK's current allies it is quite possible that UK leadership encouraged BUM to do it.
Note that I have said base out. Base out != able to dock. Saying that BUM only used 9U as thoroughfare is blatant lying and all sides know that.
Which brings us to the hypocrisy of UK "outrage" about CVA being allied with IAC after IAC stated that they would NBSI temporarily, considering the fact that UK had already allied not with one, but with two NBSI alliances.
They allied with Imperial Order, who were NBSI and used it as excuse to pirate in low-sec. After that came BUM.
Besides, Tyrrax has stated that they still do NRDS in Providence. I don't know how closely this is followed nor do they follow CVA version of NRDS which is very strict or UK version of NRDS where any neutral docking at Unity / having UK friendly in bio would be acceptable target which could be confused with NBSI.
Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.
Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.
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kincajou niten
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Morden Nok
Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.
Wise words, brother.
Originally by: Morden Nok Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:55:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Morden Nok Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue. UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.
Your standings towards Sylph are irrelevant here. The point being addressed is that Sylph had set CVA to blue.
BUM was blue in our standings due to their ISS days. When they initially arrived in Providence, we saw no reason to change it. We were not actively aiding them with their hostilities against Sylph, and in fact, most of us were unaware of that situation at first.
Quote: CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR as it was shortest route. During QR-campaign CVA were under direct orders NOT to dock at Prometheia... [Truncated For Space (TFS)]
BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK... [TFS]Note that I have said base out. Base out != able to dock [TFS]
Sylph was also able to dock in Unity. As this stood then, U'K wasn't favoring one side or the other, we were neutral with regards to their conflict. Just because Sylph possess their own station does not mean U'K was arbitrarily "evening the odds" for BUM. Both could dock, and we were tending to internal issues at the time the situation arose, deciding how we should handle the many changes in climate that were starting to take place at this time.
As for Sylph's docking policy during the QR campaign, it was a credit to their neutrality, but the fact remains that both CVA and IAC, long time (and still present) hostile entities to U'K, can still "base" out of Promethia.
Still, none of this is what caused the changes in standings. The fact that our enemies can base out of the Sylph station did not move us to set Sylph red. Sylph set us red as a gesture of support to their allies, Hammer's Republic, who stole sovereignty from U'K in one of our systems. U'K could only set Sylph red in return, as we were now going to be targeted by them.
The crossed line Admiral Maggot is referring to is Sylph's decision to work with CVA directly. All previous hostilities might have stood a chance of being mended once supporting Hammer's Republic was no longer an issue for Sylph. They could have gone back to enjoying neutrality with U'K in the future. Now they have painted themselves in a red that will last far beyond this specific conflict.
Quote: Now UK is allied with multiple piratical entities and thus have lost all credibility from their claims of being anti-pirate. Though I understand why UK did it, I still personally (and believe that majority of CVA) subscribe to the view that as long as one has integrity, nothing else matters. And if one doesn't have integrity, nothing else matters.
It is advantageous for CVA if U'K are expected to play CONCORD in Providence. They deride whoever they can as pirates in the hopes that our strength will be spent fighting "ne'erdowells". Some of our allies definitely have undeniable piratical history. Others are legitimate 0.0 entities without sovereignty, so they are lumped under the heading of "pirate" for the sake of the advantage in using it.
As for integrity - a man or woman enslaved cannot even aspire to have any, ever. Any individual or corporation who submits to the terms of a morally perverted, hegemonic power also lacks integrity, even if they eradicate the whole galaxy of pirates. Trading banditry for oppression is offering your children to the burglar to preserve your possessions. Neither is right in a perfect world, but it's not hard to see which is worse. Conviction is a luxury of those at the sidelines, and the game here is avoiding annihilation as a people.
And we shouldn't fail to point out that for even a pirate (or a "pirate" as it may be), every hour he spends shooting slavers and their supporters, he is not a pirate - he is a God****ed hero.
(Damned by the Amarrian God, of course)
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:35:00 -
[47]
If the fall of ISS taught us anything, it is that your beliefs in your own neutrality are irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is how others perceive your neutrality.
Sylph's is in tatters.
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Taters
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:58:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Morden Nok
Sylph had NAP with UK. Sylph was neutral to CVA as we do not set anyone who has UK napped blue. UK had NAP with Sylph. UK was ALLIED with BUM.
Sylph had CVA set blue, CVA had sylph set neutral. CVA don't shoot neutrals. Exactly the same outcome as a NAP. U'K had identical standings to both BUM and Sylph.
Originally by: Morden Nok
CVA used Sylph space to move through to QR
Originally by: Morden Nok
BUM were based out of Unity and raided Promethia from there with at least silent acceptance of UK.
I don't even need to rebutt that. I don't know CVA orders like i don't know BUM orders. You were able to use their space freely, and launched an invasion through it. Making that sound lesser than BUM raiding gangs is laughable.
Originally by: Morden Nok
Though considering UK's current allies it is quite possible that UK leadership encouraged BUM to do it.
And you accuse me of mis-representing.
Slavery is a greater blight on providence than piracy will ever be. You slavers somehow hold the belief that you can drug people into submission, lock them in chains, force them against their will under pain of death or torture to serve you, and then come here and talk about integrity and credibility. I suggest you consider your own actions before you judge the actions of others. Your allies would to well to stop and take a long hard look at the morals and ideals of the slavers they fight beside. If they believe in your cruel ways, then they deserve every autocannon round they will receive. Whether it comes from the barrel of an Ushra'khan ship or not.
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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:52:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Morden Nok
Which is why we turned down the offer from Einherjar Rising to ally with them to attack UK.
Let's address this issue and clear the air, as I was the primary contact for these conversations. When people throw hanging accusations like this out there without providing context or details, they are less making a point and more stirring the pot. Integrity has many definitions. To you, it means not allying with pirates, Morden. To me, part of it means not intentionally misleading others by omitting details.
Anyway, Einherjar Rising moved into Providence some months ago without initial aspiration to become embroiled in the UK/CVA conflict. Our aggression was generally focused at Brotherhood of Steel, an alliance with which we had prior history and whose members had generally offended the corp. We began a campaign to wrest them from the area. During this time we often fought UK, which had sovereignty over one of the systems in the area and whom often came to the defense of BoS. We operated NBSI in Providence, unequivocally, shooting Sylph, CVA, whomever would cross our path.
Most of these entities shot us on sight when we first moved in, as we have a legacy of operating NBSI, and were still on CVA's old and rarely reviewed KOS list, which many parties reference for their own standings. That said, there was never any attempt at this time to change standings with any party in Providence. We have always been an independent group at heart, and adapt only under especially compelling circumstances.
The conversation Morden is referring to occurred after ENH seized a small POS from Brotherhood of Steel in a daring expedition. We decided to place the small POS in Y-MPWL a couple days later, to test the constitution of the locals. As the POS was onlining, UK received word of our incursion and swiftly deployed a few dreads and support to the area. Unable to combat this group, we vacated the system, and sought alternatives.
One obvious choice was to contact CVA. The corp leadership that was online determined this to be worthwhile. Thus I got in contact with Lonewolfenight and asked him if CVA would like to take advantage of a situation and kill a few dreadnoughts. Lone was naturally skeptical, and asked if we were trying to get off CVA's KOS list. I evaded this question, only interested in saving our POS at the time. CVA did not send forces, but promised to discuss showing up when the POS came out of reinforced.
A day later I talked to Aralis about this possibility, and the conversation quickly degenerated into a discussion of whether or not we would convert to NRDS. Failing that, we were informed CVA would not aid "pirates." We were unwilling to convert, and that was the end of the conversation. I believe all subsequent chats with CVA about our standings have come to this same conclusion.
(Cont...)
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Paradoxex
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:53:00 -
[50]
My efforts to speak to CVA were utterly opportunistic and only in defense of our corporation. I admit that. UK is well aware they used to be in our crosshairs, and likewise. From our standpoint they were interfering with our affairs, and in their view we were in the middle of theirs. CVA was to serve as a hired gun to level the field, with ENH having no intention of a long term alliance.
CVA ended up declining the opportunity, and after a spirited fight UK, Sylph, and UCE helped to take down the small POS for good. That is the history of the incident.
It is important to note that corporations evolve as time passes. ENH is unique in that though we are elated when we blow up our enemies, or respect for them tends to grow based on their decorum. Such was the case with UK. As we gained a firmer grasp on the political landscape in Providence, we came to sympathize with their cause. Conversely, we found CVA's strong-arm diplomacy and doctrine distasteful. As the situation in Providence came to an apex, ENH decided to become involved.
Since then we have been heavily involved in several major UK ops, providing support and otherwise harassing enemy operations in UK space. I sincerely believe that our formal contribution to this conflict is beyond question, though I suppose that is for UK to decide.
Morden, you and your kind use a very broad brush when paining others as ôpirates.ö IÆve always known it had purposes for propaganda, but recently IÆve come to see the CVA definition as anachronistic at best, outmoded at worse. Pirates conventionally have no cause other than their own wallets, or their need to shed blood. ENH, as have many other groups you attribute the label to, have come to be motivated by a little more. I personally have come to care. ENH as a whole may have differing opinions, but one thing is resolute, we long ago came to the conclusion that given the choice weÆd fight alongside UK rather than CVA. Their doctrine and your diplomacy have compelled these feelings.
Call us pirates if you wish. Call us whatever. The truth is, however, that a pirate by your definition is anyone CVA could not coerce into their fold. We will carry about our business regardless of our label, but as a courtesy given to a fellow capsuleer, I thought you should know.
***The history above is of my own recollection, and Mistress Suffering is officially the voice of ENH. Read this accordingly.***
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:51:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Pezzle on 17/05/2007 16:51:14 Edited by: Pezzle on 17/05/2007 16:50:19 Perhaps we should set a few points right. ER has been visiting Providence and practicing NBSI for quite some time now. They were doing this in D2, they do it now. Their agenda and policies include NBSI. Their hostilities have made them KOS. To my knowledge they have no interest in changing.
ER attempted to use CVA, we did not bite. We remain steadfast in our purpose. We are easy to negotiate with and little is asked for. ER maintains NBSI. As this policy is bad for the region we oppose it. We will not apologize to ER for not being more in line with their 'agenda'.
CVA does not force anyone to fight for us. We do not threaten pilots into space. Those who wish to remain out of our conflict with UK and associated rebel forces can go about their business. This has been made more difficult by the new UK 'friends'.
Residents of the area are free to do whatever they will. It seems more have decided they do not want pirates having a haven.
At one time UK opposed these pirate forces, to their credit. Now they align with those who do not support that ideal. More and more who would practice NBSI in Providence 'pirates', if you will, come to roost in UK lands. More pilots have made the choice they make bad neighbors.
Fairly simple really.
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Parallax Error
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:07:00 -
[52]
1) You allow entities to base out of your Outpost which then go and shoot your local friends and neutrals.
2) You then wonder why on earth your local friends and neutrals take umbrage to this and engage in a fit of fist shaking and angry noises that a chimp would be proud of.
I'm not sure what to put this down to, the general lack of evolution in the Minmatar gene pool or the amount of time you've spent with ex-ISS pilots. Certainly strikes me as a similar situation that led to the IAC vs ISS war.
If only you'd accept god's light into your lives, things would be so much clearer. Such a waste.
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Kalvor Azrael
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.18 15:14:00 -
[53]
Sylph, you have fatally misunderstood our motivation.
It's not about Pirate or Anti-Pirate.
This is a war against slavery, and those who would support it. Ushra'Khan had felt that we could best wage this war by maintaining order within northern Providence, working with our neighbors to hold the slavers at bay. Given the occupation of Karishal's Defiance and the assault against Unity, this was obviously not the best decision.
The face of the war has changed. We have raised the Khumaak and call to all those who would stand against the tyranny of the Amarr Empire and its paramilitary forces.
If this means flying with those who practice NBSI, I welcome them. If this means flying with those who have fought against us before, I cherish their spirit and their independence. If this means flying with those who have the direst reputations, I embrace their destiny.
I would fly alongside the devil himself to rid New Eden of slavery.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.18 15:19:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 18/05/2007 15:18:09
The Sylph Alliance claimed to be NRDS and to respecting of our neutrality when we passed through their outpost system with a sizeable gang of warships. We exchanged pleasantries and assured them we'd take no hostile action against their vessels unless we were aggressed first.
All was fine.
Then yesterday a Sylph Alliance pilot joined a CVA gang (including an Aeon class Mothership) in Misaba and aggressed Star Fraction ships without warning, provocation or negotiation.
Hence we believe it is proven that Sylph alliance is an organisation of honourless dogs clinging to the CVA coat-tails and worthy of no respect whatsoever.
They are not NRDS They are not "anti-pirate" They are simply CVA suckteats without independent foreign policy
This matter is proven by combat and conversation logs and is beyond question.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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KhanJohn
Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.18 15:26:00 -
[55]
As always the CVA propaganda machine enters full swing...
there is only one constant that should be known and since my fellow Amarrans are too blinded by their doctrine ill spell it out slowly and easily for you...
YOU KEEP SLAVES
>>>>>>>
WE FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM
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THE KHUMAAK HAS BEEN RAISED
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THIS IS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE AND A CALL TO ARMS
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ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE CALL TO ARMS IS THY FRIEND
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ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AND ALLIES WITH CVA IS ALLYING WITH THEIR PRINCIPLES MAKING THEM ACCOMPLICES TO THE MURDER OF BILLIONS
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SYLPH HAVE MADE THEIR BED THEY WILL NOW REST WITH IT AND DIE AS ANOTHER INDOCTRINED MEATSHIELD
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ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT
end of story....if you have any questions come to 9uy and ill be happy to explain them to you with your purification....at the barrel of my lasers
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CiderKing
Gallente Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:07:00 -
[56]
Edited by: CiderKing on 18/05/2007 18:06:15 If you check the logs (ie killboards) you will see that more non-CVA members have been killed by UK's new "friends" than CVA members. Hence BOS leaving Prov.....
-Cider
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Mae West
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:50:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Mae West on 18/05/2007 18:48:58
Originally by: KhanJohn As always the CVA propaganda machine enters full swing...
there is only one constant that should be known and since my fellow Amarrans are too blinded by their doctrine ill spell it out slowly and easily for you...
YOU KEEP SLAVES
>>>>>>>
WE FIGHT FOR THEIR FREEDOM
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THE KHUMAAK HAS BEEN RAISED
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THIS IS A SYMBOL OF DEFIANCE AND A CALL TO ARMS
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ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THE CALL TO ARMS IS THY FRIEND
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ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AND ALLIES WITH CVA IS ALLYING WITH THEIR PRINCIPLES MAKING THEM ACCOMPLICES TO THE MURDER OF BILLIONS
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SYLPH HAVE MADE THEIR BED THEY WILL NOW REST WITH IT AND DIE AS ANOTHER INDOCTRINED MEATSHIELD
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ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT
end of story....if you have any questions come to 9uy and ill be happy to explain them to you with your purification....at the barrel of my lasers
Khan... Man you gotta chill out a little... I understand you want to free the whoevers and that you are really upset that those guys have them, and that these other people are shooting at you. But in my opinion if you get so wound up over these things youÆre going to have a heart attack.... and having a heart attack won't help you free those guys and you won't have the opportunity to get all gangsta on me.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.18 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 18/05/2007 19:03:44
Originally by: BCBArclight Slight flaw in your logic there:
CVA's allies didnt pirate neutrals and slyph UK's allies pirated everyone
damn i would have almost fallen for this bit of propaganda, but then i recalled the chronology. Thats WAR and not piracy.
taters comparison - was chronologically BEFORE uk called in the list of current allies.
BUM were the only ones you call pirates, and they had an issue with you only and fully respected our NRDS request in the uk conrolled territories.
The situation now is not the situation that let us here - NOW we have allies that are not so selective in their choice of targets and NOW ushra'khan doesnt even care anymore, for whom should we care? Only for our own people! And we are closer to their liberation than during the entire past year when we protected you and your snakeheads.
U'K recruit!
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Yohn Kalvin
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Posted - 2007.05.19 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Yohn Kalvin on 19/05/2007 07:52:27 Edited by: Yohn Kalvin on 19/05/2007 07:49:01 I am merely an observer and an explorer. In these interesting times I have come to the Mandate and near the Minmatar Republic to observe current events. They are interesting indeed. Allow me to comment on an observation and forgive me if my opinion is clouded by my Amarrian one sidedness even as I try to remain impartial.
I think it is clear that U'K's propaganda while true in its aim to liberate slaves, from what they falsely perceive to be the evil slave-masters, has turned into something ugly and bitter; far removed from their original concept. While fighting for the freedom of slaves they have become a grotesque group of individuals and have lost all appeal they might have had among their own kin which see them today as savage brutes on a path of self destruction from which there is no return. And now they are conjoined with pirates.
One of them said that they would side with the Devil himself in order to free the salves. What if the Mandate would offer the slaves freedom in exchange for a pact of absolute union and restructuring of Matari society under Ammatar guidance?
One thing is clear at this point. Not all pirates in EVE are cohorts of U'K but all of U'K is cohorting with Pirates.
((ooc ogoel marek's alt))
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Yohn Kalvin One of them said that they would side with the Devil himself in order to free the salves. What if the Mandate would offer the slaves freedom in exchange for a pact of absolute union and restructuring of Matari society under Ammatar guidance?
I would consider this if I felt it was sincere. Interesting argument and refreshing to see from the amarr side of the camp.
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Stealth Magnate
Minmatar Madison Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:29:00 -
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time for talk is done, UK is actively attacked our POS's and stated aims for our station. they ally with pirates we ally with antipirates. end of story, see you on the other side of the gun. Your RP anti slavery stance cannot be used to defend every traitorous act you make sorry.
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Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Avious Tylepthine on 19/05/2007 17:04:59 Sylph alliance has declared open hostiles to Ushra'khan and involved themselves in the POS wars. After this declaration U'K deployed forces to sylph's outpost. It is fully in our right to move against people who actively work against us.
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Gene Wolfe
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Posted - 2007.05.19 19:13:00 -
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Kynes Davion here. Using your logic, what would you recommend sylph do when you work against us by allowing pirates in your station specifically to attack us? Only the blind will see this as anything other then an open act of piracy.
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.19 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 19/05/2007 21:30:58
Originally by: Stealth Magnate time for talk is done, UK is actively attacked our POS's and stated aims for our station. they ally with pirates we ally with antipirates. end of story, see you on the other side of the gun. Your RP anti slavery stance cannot be used to defend every traitorous act you make sorry.
You can't act like the victim either. It took two to tango in this war. You guys had multiple options to not end up being at war with UK, but your pride or whatever forced you down this path. So live with it.
Anyways, no one wants the hassle of a station anyways. Don't be so dramatic. I think UK and their allies would be more than happy to just self destruct the station after its taken, or give it to someone who is friendly to UK. It's completely unrelated to wanting you out of the area.
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Strure
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.05.20 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Strure on 20/05/2007 22:45:27
Originally by: Morden Nok
They allied with Imperial Order, who were NBSI and used it as excuse to pirate in low-sec.
[They, refering to U'K]
Although certain members did engage in "non-consensual PvP" in low sec for training purposes (particularly during Vamp's absence), IO did maintain a strict policy of NRDS in all non-empire systems outside IO control. Is this any different than CVA's good friends IAC? Not to mention, CVA has the habit of not bothering to notify when standings have changed. And this is exactly what pushed IO into non-neutrality; now all the wheels are set in motion.
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Vampire Lord
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.05.21 06:37:00 -
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A Sylph member himself said that he welcomes this chaos. Why is IO attacking us. It's simple you sold us out when we tried to help you. I wanted to help you an look were it got IO. This was not UKÆs plan. We acted alone. For opening our arms to you we are now Red to IAC. So we decided to drop some dreads in your homeland to return the favor. These actions in turned put us on the wire with CVA.. Oh noess! IO hasn't been promised anything to help. We are here because the honor code was broken. We didnÆt come back to prov for you. No disrespect if you had not let others manipulate you then things would have been different. I came to you as a friend of a friend. Not to destroy your alliance. However you are red an we will now keep on coming. But donÆt' worry. We are not a threat.
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GreenLips PowerGirl
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:44:00 -
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Haha. I have been following the battles and these posts, and I realized that UK takes all of this role playing crap WAY over the edge. I'm not going to lie when I say that CVA does it also, but its pretty ridiculous the amount of whining that has been coming out of UK recently. You guys attack, and then decide that SYLPH crossed the line.
You need to actually think when you make posts like this which just make you seem stupid and seemingly unknowing of what is going on.
Of course, this is just what I have understood from reading the posts recently,
Calm Down
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Rauth Kivaro
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:58:00 -
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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:39:00 -
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I am as calm as can be.
Your interpretation of the posts are incorrect. Sylph are the aggressors and escalated their attacks to assualts on starbase structures. This announcement was important as Sylph had not worked with the slavers until the date of the original message. Sylph working hand in hand with the slavers is something anyone who cares for freedom should know about.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:41:00 -
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The ties that bind. Interlaced networks of alliances and non-aggression so entangled it becomes impossible to not trip everyone up when one part of it collapses.
After a while, arguing over why it happened is pointless. The only way through is to battle it out until a new equilibrium point is reached.
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