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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.06.01 14:20:11 -
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So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. |
Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3384
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Posted - 2017.06.01 14:25:23 -
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Indeed. They need to fix locator agents so that targeted wars can be prosecuted in a civilized fashion that allows a realistic opportunity for an aggressor to successfully hunt down targets in a manner that isn't a complete waste of time and ISK. As it stands it's rediculously inefficient to spend hours on end and millions of isk just chasing the ghosts of people who aren't actually online. Be thankful, with your three man corp there's a very realistic chance of a motivated customer service agent being able to find where you are and deliver you quality service. Just think of all the supremely disappointed members of corps with hundreds of members who will never be able experience this service unless they idiotically wander down a pipe into a trade hub while war decced. For just 29 cents a day...
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
465
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Posted - 2017.06.01 14:40:31 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.
This has been bantered about from the beginning.
The war dec mechanic has been gutted dude to the cries of the risk avers clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone.
The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags.
I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complai. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
713
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Posted - 2017.06.01 14:50:56 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.
They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention?
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:06:15 -
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Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. This has been bantered about from the beginning. The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone. The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags. I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left.
The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance.
I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked.
Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on.
Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play! |
Flharfh Lhar
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
30
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:09:09 -
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You only have three members. Close your corp, re-form a new one, and stop whining. Wardec solved. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34476
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:16:13 -
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Dont you like it when they lose ISK for pointless wardecs?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21467
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:21:01 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention? Vendetta? Likly asked for a blue or hired them for protection.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
468
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:25:40 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. This has been bantered about from the beginning. The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone. The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags. I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left. The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance. I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked. Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on. Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play!
Actually you don't know ****.
You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue.
You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:26:55 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. They seem to like you. Tell me, what did you do to draw their attention? Vendetta? Likly asked for a blue or hired them for protection.
LOL - I couldnt care about the war itself just means I go afk until it's dropped.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:29:28 -
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Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. This has been bantered about from the beginning. The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone. The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags. I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left. The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance. I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked. Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on. Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play! Actually you don't know ****. You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue. You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic.
Keep showing yourself buddy.
mwah |
Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
468
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:34:09 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Baaldor wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my 3 man corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. This has been bantered about from the beginning. The war dec mechanic has been gutted due to the cries of the risk averse clowns that has basically ruined an important part of EvE. There is very little at risk in hi-sec, all the mechanics of any sort of "danger" in high sec, is about gone. You essentially now have a safe zone. The nerfs killed the Privateers, whom created a lot of content. and spurred this MERC game play you whine about. All of this has killed the piracy in lo-sec because of whiny SJW dbags. I am glad to see this, it warms my heart to see SJW run to the forums to complain, and flail their arms in the air. It gives me hope the game that was supposed to be dark and harsh stil has a bit of left. The same way you dirtbags cry about Wardecs in your alliance. I think you missed the point entirely, the current war dec mechanic is crap, its just alliances blanket deccing corps with no means of objectives other than to sit tidy on hub gates with alt logi's waiting for some clown to be dunked. Funny really high sec is so safe yet daily there are Billions lost in suicide ganking whilst you boys sit with intel channels covering the likes of Fade, pureblind, Deklien, Branch - i'm pretty sure Riot has you docking up when an enemy is spotted 20 jumps away. Not to mention the 15 man hit and run squads you love to drop your carriers on. Funny isn't it i know so much about your game play! Actually you don't know ****. You claim to know "my" game play, and you have no flipping clue. You have no real grasp on game play what so ever,if you did you would not have been posting a whine thread about how this is a crap mechanic. Keep showing yourself buddy. mwah
what? seriously, have no idea what you are on about.
Seriously, come on and post with your main, and quite being a little SJW *****.
Because now I see why you are being war dec'd, |
Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:45:06 -
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what? seriously, have no idea what you are on about.
Seriously, come on and post with your main, and quite being a little SJW *****.
Because now I see why you are being war dec'd,
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Start docking mate -> you've got a neut in LEK
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62622
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:49:04 -
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Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.
Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Pix Severus
Empty You
6555
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Posted - 2017.06.01 15:49:08 -
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The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.
In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.
A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.
It will never happen though, and it's a shame.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2017.06.01 16:00:15 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.
Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.
DMC
I don't want to do that, despite contrary to other posts in the thread i am not whinging against warring. I want the war dec mechanic to be a. appealing b. create great gamplay c. to make it possible for others to war
I do not see what makes warring in the current mechanic engaging, its turned into alliances blanket deccing corps andhigh sec camping hubs. Not exactly the fight for supremacy the game is about, instead its lazy game play. |
Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2017.06.01 16:03:44 -
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Pix Severus wrote:The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.
In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.
A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.
It will never happen though, and it's a shame.
Or that's what the fee for the war dec covers. Ability to add corp members to watch list and as soon as the war dec is over they are removed from the watch list.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21468
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Posted - 2017.06.01 16:05:15 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Submit a Support Ticket and claim harassment.
Course it's doubtful CCP will give you a positive reply but at least you'll have directed CCP's attention to them.
DMC CCP have on the Known and declared exploits page
Quote: Constant War Declarations
War Declarations are a risk that every player corporation has to face and they are under no circumstances considered harassment. Wars in general can be completely avoided by remaining in an NPC corporation.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21469
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Posted - 2017.06.01 16:06:27 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Pix Severus wrote:The Watch List used to show you if a person was online or not, regardless of whether they had added you as a contact. The Watch List system was removed and replaced with the Buddy List. This was done because cap pilots in low/null would log on, and immediately have enemies swarming to their last known location in hopes of catching a juicy capital, even if they hadn't logged-on in months or even years.
In turn, this change practically destroyed a style of merc gameplay used in highsec, as mercs could no longer find online targets using the Watch List. This has forced some merc corps to change their playstyle to continue generating content for their members, to the chagrin of many other highsec dwellers.
A solution to this would be to make the Watch List operate as it once did in highsec, but if the pilot is in low or null, then the Watch List acts like the current Buddy List.
It will never happen though, and it's a shame. Or that's what the fee for the war dec covers. Ability to add corp members to watch list and as soon as the war dec is over they are removed from the watch list. Id rather something like filterably mapstats, so you can actually use that as a tool
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11252
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Posted - 2017.06.01 16:25:53 -
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The war dec mechanic needs work.
But here's the thing. It's a tricky thing to balance. It needs to be reasonably fair to all sides. And in a game full of alts, there are a lot of parameters and possible exploits to take in to consideration.
I'm willing to cut CCP some slack on this. Let them take their time and get it right unlike the quick and dirty solutions they're so well known for in the past. As long as they're working on it, I'm good.
They are working on it, right?
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Magnus Jax
82
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Posted - 2017.06.01 19:21:42 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:LOL - I couldnt care about the war itself just means I go afk until it's dropped.
For someone raging about "lazy easy game play" that's quite the hilarious stance to have. Which probably makes sense since your whole point&post is quite hilarious.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed The Bastard Cartel
1707
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:00:48 -
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Wardecs really aren't much more than a minor annoyance.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3188
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:03:28 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled.
Actually the system as a mechanic is quite good though a number of improvements could be made, the biggest issue is the lack of anything tangible to fight over, closely followed by what war deckers have turned into in hisec, which is kill farmers around trade hubs, pipes and mission hubs, mostly on the foolish nullsec players who go shopping in hisec and are utterly clueless about war decs..
You obviously moved something shiny and they hope that you will be stupid enough to move that shiny while under a war dec, but as it is five war decs and they have not found out that war decking you is a waste of ISK then they are the stupid ones, so far you have cost them 250m for no gain, well done, keep it up. I happen to have taken your post as laughing at VMG for war decking you again after no kills and wasting their ISK, and I would agree, the target selection of VMG sucks big time.
Perhaps more interesting is to have an alternative location to operate in rather than go AFK, after all you can still play the game and not play their game.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2963
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:11:43 -
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Move to null sec or wormholes. then your war dec don;t mean ****, not that bloody hard
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
471
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:15:23 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. Actually the system as a mechanic is quite good though a number of improvements could be made, the biggest issue is the lack of anything tangible to fight over, closely followed by what war deckers have turned into in hisec, which is kill farmers around trade hubs, pipes and mission hubs, mostly on the foolish nullsec players who go shopping in hisec and are utterly clueless about war decs.. You obviously moved something shiny and they hope that you will be stupid enough to move that shiny while under a war dec, but as it is five war decs and they have not found out that war decking you is a waste of ISK then they are the stupid ones, so far you have cost them 250m for no gain, well done, keep it up. I happen to have taken your post as laughing at VMG for war decking you again after no kills and wasting their ISK, and I would agree, the target selection of VMG sucks big time. Perhaps more interesting is to have an alternative location to operate in rather than go AFK, after all you can still play the game and not play their game.
As far as something tangible. I have first hand knowledge of hiring a group, to shut down several groups of jew bears humping rocks for our focused "target" at that time. The idea was to choke out their production and resources. Meanwhile we were "cloaky" grinding their belt ratters and clueless pubbies.
It was a strategic move.
I also have been aware of a group hiring a MERC organization to war dec a competing mining / industrial corp. I have seen this many times.
If I would make a subjective assumption, is that jew bears are responsible for most of the war decs. So basically it is the rsik averse crowd sending the MERCs to disrupt the other risk averse crowd for resources and market shares. |
Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3188
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:35:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. Actually the system as a mechanic is quite good though a number of improvements could be made, the biggest issue is the lack of anything tangible to fight over, closely followed by what war deckers have turned into in hisec, which is kill farmers around trade hubs, pipes and mission hubs, mostly on the foolish nullsec players who go shopping in hisec and are utterly clueless about war decs.. You obviously moved something shiny and they hope that you will be stupid enough to move that shiny while under a war dec, but as it is five war decs and they have not found out that war decking you is a waste of ISK then they are the stupid ones, so far you have cost them 250m for no gain, well done, keep it up. I happen to have taken your post as laughing at VMG for war decking you again after no kills and wasting their ISK, and I would agree, the target selection of VMG sucks big time. Perhaps more interesting is to have an alternative location to operate in rather than go AFK, after all you can still play the game and not play their game. As far as something tangible. I have first hand knowledge of hiring a group, to shut down several groups of jew bears humping rocks for our focused "target" at that time. The idea was to choke out their production and resources. Meanwhile we were "cloaky" grinding their belt ratters and clueless pubbies. It was a strategic move. I also have been aware of a group hiring a MERC organization to war dec a competing mining / industrial corp. I have seen this many times. If I would make a subjective assumption, is that jew bears are responsible for most of the war decs. So basically it is the rsik averse crowd sending the MERCs to disrupt the other risk averse crowd for resources and market shares.
Well it is possible that this was the reason for the OP's war dec, I don't know anything about his situation to be able to judge as he is posting on an alt.
But moving something shiny was how I got a war dec by Jita huggers and VMG spend a lot of their time between Jita and Amarr and I know quite a few people who got war decks that way. I think you will find that the game in hisec has deteriorated since you last really played, if you look at the killboards of VMG and others most of their kills are on clueless null seccers shopping in the hubs and it is really just killboard farming with no real hunting. The watch list change is a major factor in this, but many mercs, and I am not so sure I can call them mercs now were doing this approach before the watch lists were removed.
Would suggest you check out the Devils Warriors and what they think, it is a quite interesting clash of philosophies too.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21469
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:46:30 -
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i think our killboard says pretty much everything about our current thoughts on empire war
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
471
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:49:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Baaldor wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:So once again VMG have decided to war dec my corp.
Despite their previous attempts without success this is the 5th time they've decced me.
I'm here again asking the question; how is this war mechanic even providing engagement? It does nothing but provide an easy lazy way to play the game.
Surely this part of the game is long overdue an overhaul? From the neut logi's to the way warring is handled. Actually the system as a mechanic is quite good though a number of improvements could be made, the biggest issue is the lack of anything tangible to fight over, closely followed by what war deckers have turned into in hisec, which is kill farmers around trade hubs, pipes and mission hubs, mostly on the foolish nullsec players who go shopping in hisec and are utterly clueless about war decs.. You obviously moved something shiny and they hope that you will be stupid enough to move that shiny while under a war dec, but as it is five war decs and they have not found out that war decking you is a waste of ISK then they are the stupid ones, so far you have cost them 250m for no gain, well done, keep it up. I happen to have taken your post as laughing at VMG for war decking you again after no kills and wasting their ISK, and I would agree, the target selection of VMG sucks big time. Perhaps more interesting is to have an alternative location to operate in rather than go AFK, after all you can still play the game and not play their game. As far as something tangible. I have first hand knowledge of hiring a group, to shut down several groups of jew bears humping rocks for our focused "target" at that time. The idea was to choke out their production and resources. Meanwhile we were "cloaky" grinding their belt ratters and clueless pubbies. It was a strategic move. I also have been aware of a group hiring a MERC organization to war dec a competing mining / industrial corp. I have seen this many times. If I would make a subjective assumption, is that jew bears are responsible for most of the war decs. So basically it is the rsik averse crowd sending the MERCs to disrupt the other risk averse crowd for resources and market shares. Well it is possible that this was the reason for the OP's war dec, I don't know anything about his situation to be able to judge as he is posting on an alt. But moving something shiny was how I got a war dec by Jita huggers and VMG spend a lot of their time between Jita and Amarr and I know quite a few people who got war decks that way. I think you will find that the game in hisec has deteriorated since you last really played, if you look at the killboards of VMG and others most of their kills are on clueless null seccers shopping in the hubs and it is really just killboard farming with no real hunting. The watch list change is a major factor in this, but many mercs, and I am not so sure I can call them mercs now were doing this approach before the watch lists were removed. Would suggest you check out the Devils Warriors and what they think, it is a quite interesting clash of philosophies too.
As far as Devils, VGM or the reincarnation of Privateers, I could care less to be honest. The popping of clueless null sec bears in hi-sec trade hubs has been and always will be an effective tool in enforcing Darwin's will. Most of your "war fighters" are fairly broke for the most part and never really see them in Hi-sec except for landing a plated disco raven on some oblivious group of bots. |
Xianax
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Posted - 2017.06.02 08:54:32 -
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War decs need to change so that any character that is not involved in the war cannot interact with either side. Basically the removal of neutral logi. I have seen so many hi sec war dec corps that have only a few members and then 20 neutral logi jump on grid as soon as you fight back. Remove neutral logi. They are a plague just like how off grid boosting was. |
Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
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Posted - 2017.06.02 09:13:25 -
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Xianax wrote:War decs need to change so that any character that is not involved in the war cannot interact with either side. Basically the removal of neutral logi. I have seen so many hi sec war dec corps that have only a few members and then 20 neutral logi jump on grid as soon as you fight back. Remove neutral logi. They are a plague just like how off grid boosting was.
It is not that I want to be a bit negative about this, but they do go suspect, this is why I gave up on hisec, you lot do not have it in you to organise others to come in and kill that suspect logi. For me the balance is right here, it is just that people in hisec in the main cannot organise anything because they are so beaten down or bad at co-operative play. I did see some people in AG who had it in them, but this is down to you to sort out, speak to people and get organised, then kill them.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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