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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2017.06.07 05:25:13 -
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Burgein wrote:I really can't believe that using free throwaway alt accounts for suicide ganks has been allowed for this long. It's such an obvious way to bypass game mechanics like security status loss and kill rights.
I would be fine with suicide ganks if people had the balls to do it with their main character.
Get informed.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
717
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Posted - 2017.06.07 05:40:45 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:Thank you all for your help.
One thing Im noticing is that all the extra time / effort it seems that needs to be done to make a bowhead safe, defeats the purpose in the first place.
The purpose of me flyng a bowhead is to cut down the time it takes to move ships from incursion to incursion.
If I have to have a separate account webbing, constantly checking map for 24hr gank, etc. etc. -- what is the point in the first place? It is not saving me any time.
Am I missing something?
Checking the map is something you should be doing no matter what. It takes less than a minute. So no time added there. A scout/Web alt isn't strictly necessary but it makes things safer (and faster since you get into warp sooner) If your only moving one or two ships. Yeah you likely won't save much time. But if you are bringing a small armada with you (I like options) it's a massive time saver.
The safety procedures might take a little more time and effort than not using them. But it's gonna be far less effort than replacing a ship. |
Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3202
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Posted - 2017.06.07 06:27:30 -
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Jenn gave some good information on how to avoid being ganked, however I would advise using a Covert T3C instead of a transport ship as a better approach for the expensive modules.
Just to be clear a webber is not going to help you if the gankers suicide a point onto your bowhead so as to get a bumper onto it, this is something that the gankers will do, so bear that in mind.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
359
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Posted - 2017.06.07 08:47:16 -
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Burgein wrote:I really can't believe that using free throwaway alt accounts for suicide ganks has been allowed for this long. It's such an obvious way to bypass game mechanics like security status loss and kill rights.
I would be fine with suicide ganks if people had the balls to do it with their main character.
Hmm....
An Alpha can gank, but I still prefer to train an Omega (looks like training for Purifier could be useful)
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Samwise Everquest
Because ISK
228
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:13:47 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I used a bowhead to move my stuff when I did incursions and never got screwed with.
1st thing you notice about the ones that got ganked is that that are fit for speed not tank. This is a mistake, tank the Bowhead. another problem is they just chucked their fitted ships in them and went. So no tank plus billions of potential loot = gank target. also, if you have an alt, trained it to use a webbing ship.
And don't be afraid to spent time. I moved my ships like this:
Strip fittings, put ships in bowhead, give fittings to alt in proator (transport ship, can't be scanned.), fly to next focus. Transport alt warps and cloaks through every gate because most of the value is in the transport. Of course the transport alt gets there faster. And I kept a Gila or a Tengu in the bowhead as well, so while i would run incursions on one character, the transport alt would be in the next constellation over using drones or fof missiles to do anomalies to get escalations (drones and fof missiles require very little attention so are easy to multibox with an incursion toon)..
Just put some thought into it and it's possible to be almost 100% safe.
damn. i wonder how your sec status would be if it wasnt capped :D
Pras Phil.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4144
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:15:23 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:Thank you all for your help.
One thing Im noticing is that all the extra time / effort it seems that needs to be done to make a bowhead safe, defeats the purpose in the first place.
The purpose of me flyng a bowhead is to cut down the time it takes to move ships from incursion to incursion.
If I have to have a separate account webbing, constantly checking map for 24hr gank, etc. etc. -- what is the point in the first place? It is not saving me any time.
Am I missing something? If you use the MWD trick I described you will not only be incredibly more secure, but also a lot lot faster to transport your stuff. And you don't need a webbing alt. Try it out
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Samwise Everquest
Because ISK
228
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Posted - 2017.06.07 09:21:25 -
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Burgein wrote: yadda yadda
I would be fine with suicide ganks if people had the balls to do it with their main character.
As you post on your alt.
Pras Phil.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3160
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Posted - 2017.06.07 14:34:31 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:Thank you all for your help.
One thing Im noticing is that all the extra time / effort it seems that needs to be done to make a bowhead safe, defeats the purpose in the first place.
The purpose of me flyng a bowhead is to cut down the time it takes to move ships from incursion to incursion.
If I have to have a separate account webbing, constantly checking map for 24hr gank, etc. etc. -- what is the point in the first place? It is not saving me any time.
Am I missing something? less than one bowhead dies a day and almost none of them have tank fits. the one that did took 9 talos (~100m each) and 15 bombers (~30m each) to gank a total of 1.35 bil, double that to get the break even loot value, and probably add another bil on top of that for the payout. Most of the time spent ganking is spent waiting around bored, if you are in it for the money you want to hit the good targets. They were worth over 15bil, more than 10 times the value of the gank ships. I scrolled back a few more pages and the only ohter full tank bowheads were carrying 40bil and 27bil which is just crazy.
honestly things like checking the map are not really going to do anything they are going to keep the characters logged off or in a nearby station until they are ready to gank. Also volume killed really means nothing. most of the pro freighter gankers are looking for whales and whale only and they don't come by too often. by the time the warning signals show up on the map your ship is probably already dead.
aside from events like burn jita gankers are mainly in it for the profit. And looks like code will sometimes gank cargo expanded freighters in uedama for lulz.
tl;dr: use a full tank fit, carry under 2bil, 1 mwd cycle into warp, and you should be fine
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16023
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Posted - 2017.06.07 14:40:25 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: less than one bowhead dies a day and almost none of them have tank fits.
You really could have stopped typing right there, because that's the end of this thread |
Cade Windstalker
1565
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Posted - 2017.06.07 14:47:23 -
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OP, check the kills and your question will answer itself.
The only bowheads that die in High Sec with any regularity are idiots who fit for speed instead of tank, and people who fly them around while wardec'd. If you use the fit you posted it'll take something like 20-30 bombers to kill you and if you do a one-cycle MWD jump when coming off a gate they'll have trouble even catching you to bump off the gate.
There are literally two tanked Bowhead deaths to a gank (as opposed to a Wardec) that I can find since February. One of those was Burn Jita with over 100 Coercers on the kill, and the other died to 26 Talos and was carrying 14 B-Type Invulns in its cargo.
In short OP, tank your ship and actively fly it and you'll be fine. |
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
528
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Posted - 2017.06.07 15:04:35 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote: Put an alt into CODE
Good advice! Most who do that will discover how much fun Code is, they'll end up quitting their old boring PvE grind.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1527
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Posted - 2017.06.07 15:08:29 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Alaric Faelen wrote: Put an alt into CODE
Good advice! Most who do that will discover how much fun Code is, they'll end up quitting their old boring PvE grind. Jamen
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
720
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Posted - 2017.06.07 15:23:02 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jenn gave some good information on how to avoid being ganked, however I would advise using a Covert T3C instead of a transport ship as a better approach for the expensive modules.
Just to be clear a webber is not going to help you if the gankers suicide a point onto your bowhead so as to get a bumper onto it, this is something that the gankers will do, so bear that in mind.
I prefer using an insta-warp speed rigged ceptor for moving my incursion mods. most of the really expensive ones are not size specific (A type adaptives etc) or particularly large. Fit all the tank mods you can, if your transporting them may as well use them. and throw the rest in the hold (only ones that might cause problems would be officer guns... which i'm sure SOMEONE uses, but thats a pretty obscene investment for meh returns)
Yes, in theory its at risk of getting caught by suicide smart-bombers, but with a decent tank its going to take 2-3 suicide smart bombers with pretty impeccable timing to catch you out. and even then they would need to know that you are coming through with bling, which would require them getting VERY lucky since even with scouts you will be on grid for only a second or two as you are jumping through the gate. and with the warp speed rigs would also need that scout to be far enough along the route (and for you to take the route they expect) for them to get the ships in position quickly enough.
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Renee Frost
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:35:25 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: that one was very likely a wardec kill, and it definalty wasn't a suicide gank. PIRAT does mass wardecs and is very active in the amarr area. and t3cs may be a bit op, but not 30k+ damage before concord shows up OP.
Doh, I totally miss the box that says war on the top right hand corner. Was wondering why a suicide gank would be done with a bunch of T3 cruisers lol.
Bjorn Tyrson wrote: I prefer using an insta-warp speed rigged ceptor for moving my incursion mods. most of the really expensive ones are not size specific (A type adaptives etc) or particularly large.
Yeah me too. Another danger with this is transporting expensive stuff to/from trade hubs without instant dock/undock bookmarks. E.g. https://zkillboard.com/kill/62449414/ |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6571
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:42:23 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Renee Frost wrote:Yeah, this one has the correct tanking fit: https://zkillboard.com/kill/62609958/ And still got ganked on the way to the next incursion focus. Well, technically there is no way to be 100% safe since they can keep bumping you with a velator for 3 minutes while throwing tornadoes and catalysts at you. that one was very likely a wardec kill, and it definalty wasn't a suicide gank. PIRAT does mass wardecs and is very active in the amarr area. and t3cs may be a bit op, but not 30k+ damage before concord shows up OP.
It was a war dec kill, says so right at the top.
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
333
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Posted - 2017.06.08 00:27:50 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Flharfh Lhar wrote:Don't fly it during a wardec.
Most of the ones that get suicide ganked are speed / agility fit.
[Bowhead, Bowhead fit]
Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 500MN Microwarpdrive II
Capital Transverse Bulkhead II Capital Transverse Bulkhead II Capital Transverse Bulkhead II
Gets over 600k EHP with the invulns overheated. This basically. The trick is to disable MWD auto-repeate. If you load system activate warp to the next gate and simply press the MWD button. When it finishes cycle you will immediately enter warp. It's also extremely fast to transport stuff that way and you need no webber. Works for Orca as well. Also, a mining permit never hurts
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8548
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Posted - 2017.06.08 05:20:06 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Alaric Faelen wrote: Put an alt into CODE
Good advice! Most who do that will discover how much fun Code is, they'll end up quitting their old boring PvE grind.
I suspect at least a third of AG have CODE. alts.
Or is it the other way around?
Those macharial ganks are going down with more efficiency than ever. Makes me wonder.
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Professor JinMine
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
12
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Posted - 2017.06.08 06:50:12 -
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Liquidate bulky stuff, travel light , insta warp, and buy local. You are running incursions. You have ISK. |
Macskabosszanto
Surja RT.
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:55:03 -
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After a long skip, I came back to play. I'm disappointed to see that there are so many pirates in high sec that it is already frustrating the beginners. It is not safe to do the initial moves and missions to earn some money because they are also pirates on the site of each mission. Concord is not worth much Against piracy.That's a ****.It would not have to get new players with omega status, but let them discover the possibilities of the new game without the need for the pirates to shoot their pods.It is also autopilot, because high in no way can be used. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3395
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:49:18 -
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If you are really ballzy, you can do as I did back when I ran incursion and just fly from focus to focus combat fit in your boat.
They can't pop your Bowhead if you don't fly a Bowhead. |
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
226
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Posted - 2017.06.09 23:13:52 -
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Thread so far:
"I want to fly cargo extender tank on autopilot and be unkillable." "Can I check map while warping? But that's sooo much effort!" "What's a war-dec?"
Flying the incursion pimpboat in megatank/ pvp mode personally is one solution, there are others (and better too) but as noting in eve is served on a silver platter, I shall not help you.
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