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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11325
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Posted - 2017.06.06 17:31:20 -
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Email today:
Quote:Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,
Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.
Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC!
That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here!
Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.
Mr Epeen
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4133
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Posted - 2017.06.06 17:38:09 -
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Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1201
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Posted - 2017.06.06 17:43:13 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Email today: Quote:Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,
Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.
Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC! That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here! Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice. Mr Epeen
I am shocked are you shocked?
Were you sleeping under the rock all this years or did you forgot to read all you quoted....plex is for game time or isk since day one.
Show us on a doll where...oh nwm just woke up organic French Peru and Venice mix of coffee will straighten me up.
You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear
Because >>I is too hard
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2017.06.06 17:50:27 -
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plex isnt just for game time its for nes store too wait... its always been sold for isk not sure why selling it for isk is suddenly a problem what else were you supposed to do with it after you bought it |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34758
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:08:33 -
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But people always sold it for ISK. To buy things for said ISK.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
5099
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:10:42 -
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I find granular PLEX much to be more convenient for turning my RL money into ingame wealth. They're much more liquid, and I have some many more options. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3135
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:21:53 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Email today: Quote:Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,
Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.
Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC! That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here! Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice. Mr Epeen I mean that's kinda the whole point of PLEX... if you wanted gametime you could have just bought that at a lower rate.
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16004
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:36:51 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Email today: Quote:Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,
Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.
Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC! That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here! Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice. Mr Epeen I mean that's kinda the whole point of PLEX... if you wanted gametime you could have just bought that at a lower rate.
+1
I think the real issue here is a dislike of the ideas of RMT and the perception of creeping Pay to win. I don't share those concerns as much as others, CCP had to do plex to combat gold seller types and plex IMO is one of the things that kept people playing beyond the point where they might have outgrown paying for a game no matter how cheap it was.
And CCP isn't selling gold ships/ ammo so as long as that's the case CCPo making some cash on skins and skill extractors etc is fine too CCP is a company not a charity, at the end of the day if one doesn't like a company seeking ever more revenue , then 'one' should stop playing games made by for profit companies and start playing games made by charities (of which there are none lol).
I might not like some of the things CCP does but complaining about them making money would be dumb on my part. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
5101
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:51:31 -
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That's a good point. They're not selling more powerful Gold-only ships, mods or ammo. You can just buy things that are available to everyone, but you don't have to work in-game to earn the ISK. And that's been around since PLEX were first introduced (as other people have pointed out). |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11330
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:55:13 -
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I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.
For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.
It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe.
As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT"S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.
Mr Epeen |
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
72
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Posted - 2017.06.06 18:58:57 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: (1)No pretending PLEX is for game time. (2)Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.
(1) Plex from the store was bought for : * Game time (if you like to pay a lot for game time) * Getting ISK from players that want to buy 'omega game time' with ISK Now PLEX can also be bought to spend on : * NES Clothes * NES Extractors (to make injectors and sell "learn time") and that's why they had to break it into little pieces as 1 PLEX valued 1 billion ISK [~20 euro] and no one would spend that much or more on a shipskin, clothes or injectors.
(2) PLEX is to counter RMT. CCP has the right to do so and 'EULA/CodeOfConduct' accepters not. Sorry for your loss of income.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
72
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:03:16 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen Sure, It's all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows now...
At least now they fixed your "I have to wait for hours to sell a character in this FAST PACED ACTION ADVENTURE GAME", right? So you were behind that change? :D
Then they have to IMMEDIATELY stop charging for anything as I get omega benefits for using my euros instead of playing the game like it's supposed to, right? |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16004
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:05:40 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning. For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen
It was the only solution. The mistake you are making here is that you are looking at it as something you don't like rather than accepting it as a necessary evil. I shudder to think of how much time and energy and money CCP would have had to waste combatting isk farmers were it not for plex, because if we know anything from the history of this game and others, people are going to buy in game money some way no matter what you do.
Also PLEX doesn't have anything with the harshness of EVE, the same people who will plex themselves out of a loss probably would have bought isk from a gold seller type for the same reason, the difference is that as it is now at least the money goes to CCP.
On top of that you are ignoring the benefits of plex for other players. PLEX gave PVE players something real and meaningful to shoot for, something to really trade with PVP jocks. If not for PLEX I'd probably have trillions of isk if I hadn't stopped playing because just making isk for the sake of it isn't fun, but knowing that what I was doing would also let me use some of it to buy PLEX to keep 60 bucks in my pocket every month , that meant something (not much, but something.
I like plex, I think it was an elegant solution to a problem and for the most part it's added something really cool to the game. I don't know for other people but i can tell you that for myself I doubt I'd have played EVE this long without plex, not because of the money (I don't spend the 60 bucks a month I set aside for EVE until I've made the isk to pay for game time, It's like i use CCPs accounting practice in real life) but because it provided another goal to shoot for. A goal that delivers.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
72
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:10:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning. For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen It was the only solution. The mistake you are making here is that you are looking at it as something you don't like rather than accepting it as a necessary evil. I shudder to think of how much time and energy and money CCP would have had to waste combatting isk farmers were it not for plex, because if we know anything from the history of this game and others, people are going to buy in game money some way no matter what you do. Also PLEX doesn't have anything with the harshness of EVE, the same people who will plex themselves out of a loss probably would have bought isk from a gold seller type for the same reason, the difference is that as it is now at least the money goes to CCP. On top of that you are ignoring the benefits of plex for other players. PLEX gave PVE players something real and meaningful to shoot for, something to really trade with PVP jocks. If not for PLEX I'd probably have trillions of isk if I hadn't stopped playing because just making isk for the sake of it isn't fun, but knowing that what I was doing would also let me use some of it to buy PLEX to keep 60 bucks in my pocket every month , that meant something (not much, but something). I like plex, I think it was an elegant solution to a problem and for the most part it's added something really cool to the game. I don't know for other people but i can tell you that for myself I doubt I'd have played EVE this long without plex, not because of the money (I don't spend the 60 bucks a month I set aside for EVE until I've made the isk to pay for game time, It's like i use CCPs accounting practice in real life) but because it provided another goal to shoot for. A goal that delivers.
PLEX is like Jenn aSide, we all know she is just evil but we like to have a go at here once in a while and hug and whisper in her ear. *hug*
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3371
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:24:56 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen
There is no effective "right" solution. The player base has a need to get ISK and they would fulfill that need illegally if there were no legal way to do it. |
Magnus Jax
83
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:26:49 -
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plex is:
a) the life blood that keeps tons of accounts running year after year
b) a necessary evil to battle real RMT, it makes CCP money and it means people who want to make use of the service don't have to deal with shady Chinese websites that steal your CC info
c) a way for short attention span (or busy irl) people to achieve their long term in game goals
Plex isn't the problem, it's a solution to issues that would otherwise result in much bigger problems.
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
213
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:29:35 -
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I just want to voice my opinion how much I despise the so called "plex vault".
As in-game "gold" it should be an in-game item, in inventory or station. Behave like real gold. Not something special for the special snowflakes to hide in a magical separate hold. It feels to me like some cheap mobile game coins. It should not be a plex, it should be THE plex. Not to mention this thing is stuck to every inventory window.
Mr BeDee
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Felyx Ravencroft
57
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:36:07 -
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PS: (I added this AFTER typing the main body :P) Please pardon the wall of text below.
RMT may be distasteful to some (hell, it is to me, even, to some extent - I certainly don't respect players who can only overcome in-game challenges by throwing money at them - but hey, it's those players who allow the rest of us to save some real money, and I'm OK with that!) but I would MUCH rather that the (real) money go to the company providing the game (and thus supporting it, helping to feed the devs and keep them in ample caffeine to keep delivering said game for us to consume) than to some Chinese or Russian parasitic gold-farming multi-multi-multi-box setup (the ethnicity is, in fact, irrelevant, that's just where most of them gold-sellers operate from, as far as I'm aware.)
I previously played an MMORPG that, years ago, switched to a F2P model with "Gold Packs" for game time - these work much the same way as PLEX, except they're used EXCLUSIVELY for 30 days of unrestricted game for an account and its entire stable of characters (akin to Alpha and Omega access distinction), and when this was implemented, illicit gold-sellers went into decline. For starters, they had to lower their prices to compete with the legitimate RMT, AND there's the factor that many players don't mind paying a little more if it goes to the providers of the game instead of to a parasite, meaning that the black-market gold-sellers had to reduce their prices even more drastically (of course, there are always those players who will selfishly go for the "best deal" possible without regard for the bigger picture.) With all the dis-incentives for black market gold sellers, many simply left (presumably they went to farm greener pastures), while the game provider also now had more incentive to crack down on the remaining ones. End result: ultimately good for the health of the game, as the game provider makes some extra revenue, while the players' experience is largely unaffected, and in fact is even improved by the drastic reduction of in-game spamming by gold-sellers. |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:38:04 -
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yeah when they announced granular plex i thought it was something different i thought it meant people could plex a few hours at a time and people would have plex in their cargo hold so they can add some more time while in the middle of a roam and when they die they will drop some plex i figured a whole bunch of plex would be dropping from part-time pvpers and it would encourage more pvp and fun sadly not the case |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8536
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:46:24 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem.
This'll blow your mind: I don't care. And I'm certain a lot of other players don't care either.
BTW you reminded me of Gevlon with your post.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1656
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:52:06 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning. For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen While I'm with you here, I don't want to complain too much either. CCP did a pretty good job at converting all those aurum gifts they gave us over the years since incarna. I don't buy stuff on the store, so it was all still there and is now easily used as a decent chunk of either gametime or isk.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Skorpynekomimi
698
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:00:20 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning. For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen While I'm with you here, I don't want to complain too much either. CCP did a pretty good job at converting all those aurum gifts they gave us over the years since incarna. I don't buy stuff on the store, so it was all still there and is now easily used as a decent chunk of either gametime or isk.
Back in my day, we had to extract ISK from Aurum the hard way. Check prices against the Aurum cost of stuff in the store, but with Aurum, sell for ISK. Although I kept the goggles. I like my opaque goggles, and it hides just how godawful I am with facial construction. Shirts are still overrated, though.
Economic PVP
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4139
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:18:09 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem. This'll blow your mind: I don't care. And I'm certain a lot of other players don't care either. BTW you reminded me of Gevlon with your post. From the looks of it CCP isn't finished yet. What are they working on currently? Any ideas? All those pushes to more monetization came out of the blue and even the CSM was never informed beforehand.
Let's talk in a year or two again if we are both still around.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3144
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:27:37 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem. This'll blow your mind: I don't care. And I'm certain a lot of other players don't care either. BTW you reminded me of Gevlon with your post. From the looks of it CCP isn't finished yet. What are they working on currently? Any ideas? All those pushes to more monetization came out of the blue and even the CSM was never informed beforehand. Let's talk in a year or two again if we are both still around. they were looking for a vp of microtransactions for a while and hired some guy from EA
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
157
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:36:11 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning. For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it. It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe. As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution. Mr Epeen
I guess the point is that it's not new.
The idea of buying plex with real money and changing it into isk has been around as long as plex has. Nothing about the latest changes (or the e-mail) is new in that regard.
It is RMT... where the profits go to CCP instead of a third party. We can discuss that I suppose... but there's nothing new about it. |
Orin Solette
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:49:49 -
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What else are you supposed to do with PLEX? Either you buy your character some new sunglasses/vest or you sell it. If you're using it for Omega, you're doing it wrong (unless you are activating a 2nd/3rd skill queue - not sure if PLEX on discount is cheaper than the extra queues). |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Fidelas Constans
266
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Posted - 2017.06.06 21:00:02 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Email today: Quote:Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,
Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.
Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC! That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here! Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice. Mr Epeen
did you miss the memo?
All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2017.06.06 21:21:05 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:they were looking for a vp of microtransactions for a while and hired some guy from EA oh yeah i rememebr that what was his name again hell-something maybe |
Endecroix
The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood Hedonistic Imperative
57
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Posted - 2017.06.06 21:43:03 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.
For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.
It was especially noticeable as a character seller.
So let me get this straight, just so I am totally clear, PLEX is bad because it negates the harshness in the game in relation to consequences and yet you ... are a character seller.
So if:
CCP sells Plex so a player can shortcut flying a new ship = bad Mr Epeen sells a character so someone can shortcut to flying a new ship = good |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11339
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Posted - 2017.06.06 21:51:57 -
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Endecroix wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.
For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.
It was especially noticeable as a character seller. So let me get this straight, just so I am totally clear, PLEX is bad because it negates the harshness in the game in relation to consequences and yet you ... are a character seller. So if: CCP sells Plex so a player can shortcut flying a new ship = bad Mr Epeen sells a character so someone can shortcut to flying a new ship = good So let me get this straight. Just so I'm totally clear.
You like to selectively quote because if you showed the whole thing people would see the idiocy of what you are saying.
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