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JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 12:53:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Faruzen en Divalone wrote:
The economy here is obeying supply and demand. If you reduce the ISK generation -> less ISK on market -> less people buying PLEX -> PLEX price goes down -> people start buying PLEX again -> balance.
+1 This is the thing that people miss. Just like how nerfing rorqs makes the price rebound which means that while you are making less isk, the isk you make is worth more. These nerfs actually mean better income for ratters. The escalation nerf means deadspace loot will be worth more, and this carrier nerf means even less escalations and less isk stuff into the economy which eventually might mean lower plex prices = easier to plex with less time ratting. People can be so self centered they don't know when they are being helped. thats how it would work in an ideal economy not in eve though firstly less minerals means higher mineral costs this doesnt affect people who already stockpiled a lot of assets it only affects those who wont be able to break into those markets after the changes more money in rich players hands who are the same players stockpiling plex
secondly less isk means value of isk increases means the rich players can buy more with their wealth plex prices decrease who buys the plex yes the same rich players who stockpile the plex the price of plex stays the same because any decrease in price will immediately be negated by those who see the drop in price and add more plex to their stockpile
thirdly you have to remember we now have a plex sink in the nes store to further reinforce the price of plex on the market
so in short all this does is make isk scarcer and more valuable it makes plex more scarcer and more valuable it makes isk harder to obtain and encourages plex sales from players who struggle to farm isk |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:07:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:
so in short all this does is make isk scarcer and more valuable it makes plex more scarcer and more valuable it makes isk harder to obtain and encourages plex sales from players who struggle to farm isk
All of these are good things. When I started ratting and getting 20 mil isk ticks in 2011 I was like WOW, 20 mil. 20 mill per tick back then meant I was RICH lol. CCP buffed somethings and over time it took more and more and more ratting just to get the same amount of "purchasing power" I had in 2011. Now i got a Rattlesnake that can do 40 mil ticks and the feeling is like "meh" It won't happen overnight, CCP screwed up when they opened up these big isk and mineral faucets and let them run for so long, be eventually things will settle and PVe activities in null will fell like they are worth it again as you don't have to grind near as much. As I said, people are just too short sighted to see that this ends up being a good thing, especially for us who rat. im not sure why they are good things all it does is increase the time it takes people to plex it doesnt cause the price of plex to drop ccp want to keep rich players rich because they know they will hoard plex
i mean in the long term sure maybe eventually the economy could reach a certain equilibrium but not in any meaningful timeframe
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:09:38 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:JC Mieyli wrote: so in short all this does is make isk scarcer and more valuable
Go to the last economic blog, read the isk faucet figure. Then also realise that as of I think it was Feb 92% of all bounties come from Null Sec. Now finally look at the slope of the isk graph in the last month. Now apply some basic common sense, realise that the isk faucet figure jumped hugely when the carrier change went through and has been hidden for a few months by other circumstance such as the change in what defines 'active' isk, and accounts leaving again after the sudden spike when they returned. This will only slow down the recent inflation, not stop it by any means, plenty of isk will still be farmed in null and plenty of that from carriers. sure thats what im saying but to somehow translate that into a decrease in plex prices is erroneous imo
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:15:52 -
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Faruzen en Divalone wrote:In open economy like in EVE, if everyone buying PLEX has less money, PLEX price will go down. Sellers will still want to sell it, supply is probably quite constant, but since buyers only have limited ISK, the sellers will have to reduce the price to sell their PLEX. Its really just simple economics and it does work statistically. well its not as simple as you make it sound when you have people investing in assets then the value of those assets increases as a result of ccp meddling with mineral values nerfing mining and then nerfing ratting income
those people with large stockpiles of assetts only see their wealth increase for no reason other than ccp messing with things and those people will continue to stockpile plex intil demand for plex decreases and im sure you can figure out what a decrease in demand for plex means
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:23:39 -
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Faruzen en Divalone wrote:Demand for PLEX will only go down if people stop playing. And price of stockpiles going up is bad in any way? The stockpiles will run out eventually, if its profitable for the owners to turn them into ISK. Then the ISK can go into circulation and into ISK sinks. Overall good. yep decrease in demand means decrease in playerbase the stockpiles wont run out because they are being hoarded people buy them off the market and sit on them like bars of gold they like seeing their wealth increase people with wealth dont stockpile isk they stockpile plex when the demand for plex decreases then the value of plex will decrease thats when hoarders will start to panic and start offloading their plex until that happens they will hoard it and not sell it
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:38:36 -
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Faruzen en Divalone wrote:Less ISK -> they buy PLEX less for a while until sellers put PLEX on the market cheaper to sell it at a constant rate -> the trade stabilizes itself again. youre forgetting one important factor remember why we said demand decreases in the first place in your example you assume there will be players to buy it once the price stabilises again however we know the only reason the demand decreases is because there will be less players around to buy it
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:42:50 -
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Faruzen en Divalone wrote:JC Mieyli wrote:Faruzen en Divalone wrote:Less ISK -> they buy PLEX less for a while until sellers put PLEX on the market cheaper to sell it at a constant rate -> the trade stabilizes itself again. youre forgetting one important factor remember why we said demand decreases in the first place in your example you assume there will be players to buy it once the price stabilises again however we know the only reason the demand decreases is because there will be less players around to buy it The demand is constant, I dont see legions of players leaving the game anytime soon. well that remains to be seen
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JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 13:59:13 -
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realmkiller wrote:Its CCP's way to screw over its player base and try and make some more money before everyone quits and starts playing star citizen when its released thats how it seems to me its called a death rattle i believe |
JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 14:48:01 -
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Mute Karimar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I stuck to my Rattlesnake the entire time because as soon as I saw the 1st Monthly Economic Report after the fighter changes and saw that HUGE spike in null sec bounties my 1st thought was "they are going to nerf that". Now they are nerfing that. I'm glad I kept my last 10 Rattlesnake blueprints I gave my rattle to my GFs acc, that is rarely online. Will prolly take it back, cause why put an "above a bill"-ship in space if I can make better ticks in a ship that costs about half of that? And if its only about ISK-generation, why the heck doesnt CCP turn the bounty-screws, make anoms harder, but instead screws the whole shiptree-balance over? because if they did that no one would buy pirate bses and t3cs and both of those are important to their current agenda |
JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:03:34 -
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what i dont get is all the people saying theyre gonna extract and quit you realise by extracting you just encourage them and give them more money lol if you wanna quit go for it but dont extract lol |
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JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:26:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The amount of BS in this thread is amazing. People talking about some kind of plex conspiracy.
You all know that people rat and mine even now without Supers and Rorqs right? I use My Machariel and My Rattlesnake (and sometimes a Gila and/or Ishtar) to rat and do fine. I can fly a carrier, but i knew those were going to be nerfed so i didn't get hooked (also, Carriers can NOT use MJDs, FoF missiles or do DED 10/10s like my mach and snake can).
I'm sorry all of you fell for the FotM and didn't know better than to tie yourself down to something that a brain damaged monkey who paid attention to how CCP operates knew would eventually be nerfed. But you should not act like it's some kind of conspiracy, it's just CCP fixing their mistake over putting overpowered stuff into the game. Again. well it certainly looks like a conspiracy and this is coming from someone who has no interest in flying a carrier and i dont fly bses either atm though i was planning to i fly a proteus and im trying to get into industry well industry is a big fat lie and proteus... just gonna have to see what happens its not looking too bad though
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JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:39:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It only looks like a conspiracy to people too shortsighted to understand that CCP is helping everyone (including the carrier ratters) with the changes they are making.
You are too young in the game to know this but there used to be a time when getting a pirate ship BPCs from a 10/10 or a lucky commander spawn in an anomaly was like hitting the lottery. Now (because or supers and carriers ratting and because CCP turned up escalation chances too high) getting a pirate ship BPC or some deadspace mods from a 10/10 is like finding a penny on the ground aka no big deal.
The only problem with what CCP is doing is it weakens carriers and supers in some pvp situations, but PVE and economy wise CCp is helping everyone by increasing the value of all of the isk in all of our wallets.
It will be ok, the 1st time one of these crying super/carrier pilots sells an escalation for 350-400 mil (like it used to be) instead of 50 to 130 mil like they are now they will forget all of this crying they did lol. well you seem to think this change will mean pirate bpcs will suddenly be worth 1bn each again except youre forgetting the wealthy players who already stockpile a bunch of pirate bses and they paid maybe 200-300m to produce or buy them who is going to buy a bpc for 1bn when a wealthy hoarder can sell a fully manufactured pirate bs for 999m all the way down to the 200m it originally cost them to acquire it
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:41:45 -
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Vetus Metallicus wrote: high sec incursions that come at virtually 0 risk and provide absolutely 0 content for PvP players unless you'd like to go suicide ganking. wait until they are near lowsec gates and wait on the other side for the dumbasses who accidentally jump through lmao
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JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.09 15:50:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It will take a while to deplete some stockpiles of dead space gear, blueprints and built pirate ships. it will take some time for the lessening of the isk supply to be felt. But after it does ratters will be in a better place than we are now you are right about that but how long does it take bear in mind the market still hasn't recovered from mineral rebalances that happened over 5 years ago with the tiericide will the game even be around in 5 years maybe not at this rate |
JC Mieyli
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Posted - 2017.06.10 06:05:49 -
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well after seeing the monthly report and reading ccp quant reddit post it doesnt seem so much like a conspiracy anymore but probably still a pretty bad move for ccp |
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